Offical "Masters of the Universe: #1 (Vol.3) Talkback

[Sir Reilly]

Long time since I opened the last thread of this kind.

However, He-Man & Co. finally return in comic form on Wednesday, April 14th!
On the same day, this thread will open for discussion. See you then!


***Just a general note: The beginning of issue 1 briefly retells the end of Episode 38 before moving into the story, which takes place between Episodes 38 and 39.

[loretimor]

At the beginning of the issue, Marzo asks Evil-Lyn how she knew about the Well of Darkness, and she says, "I've ... been here before." Is this referring to something in the episode (or an earlier episode) or is this yet to be explained?

[Jaster]

At the beginning of the issue, Marzo asks Evil-Lyn how she knew about the Well of Darkness, and she says, "I've ... been here before." Is this referring to something in the episode (or an earlier episode) or is this yet to be explained?

Isn't that the place Skeletor took Evil-Lyn in "The Price of Deceipt"?

[Patrick Bateman]

Isn't that the place Skeletor took Evil-Lyn in "The Price of Deceipt"?

Yup. Skelly had taken here there for some punishment

[MetallicoR]

Yup. Skelly had taken here there for some punishment

No no, that wasn't the Well of Darkness.. that was the Pool of Shadows, if I'm not mistaken. The Well of Darkness is the place where Hordak cast the spell of seperation, clearly that wasnt the place Skelly took her.

[Jerico the warrior]

No no, that wasn't the Well of Darkness.. that was the Pool of Shadows, if I'm not mistaken. The Well of Darkness is the place where Hordak cast the spell of seperation, clearly that wasnt the place Skelly took her.

You are not mistaken, Lyn was taken to the Pool of Shadows. Why she has been to the Well of Darkness before is unknown.

Two Bad has been to the Well of Darkness.

[jakobinsane]

Pools and wells, wells and pools. Its oh so confusing.

[issarged]

really good issue! congrats to the fans with their art published in it... very cool to see that... is evil lyn going to die and come back as a cat? i'd really like to see a black and white issue in the future...

great work mvc!!! this one is all yours... and it was my favorite read yet!

[krosfyah]

Great stuff, I like how you guys took "The Problem with Power" heaviness into the new series, and the talk Adam had with MAA it really gives weight to this wole battle.

nicely done so far...and the faceless one...i love where its going.
now my favorite part of the issue...MY He-man and Beastman!! just kidding but it was such a rush to see my drawings in print! I am SO going to send more to you guys just for that thrill, I know its just a fanart section so it's not official or anything but it feels good to be there!

great work guys MV creations and the fans involved! i esp love that mekaneck!!

BTW is the healer Emiliano? it kinda looks like him (from the pic i have seen)

[Divia]

Is teela in this book?

[Myko]

So which are the fan-arts?

[krosfyah]

Is teela in this book?

yep, she has a few moments with fisto, and i think he sparks some jealousy in her...concerning adam it looks like this is going to be a fun ride!

[Hessianking]

I just picked up my copy. Haven't read it yet, but it's great to finally see this issue hit comic shops after the long delay. The cover looks great and it's neat to see Marzo make an apearance. Can't wait to read it.

[zodak74]

While I was pretty excited to finally have a new MOTU comic book in my hands, I have to say I was let-down.
There's probably a 50/50 divide between good stuff and bad stuff IMO, but overall felt "that's it?" after the read.
Stuff I liked: Moss Man's appearance, not that he had much to say or do but I like his redesign, especially the "armor" that was entwined around his upper body. I liked the part where Hssss was reflecting on what he'd seen in Evil-Lyn's mind when he had her in his grip and Rattlor's disdain for the human race in general. I also loved Fisto implying that Adam had a crush on Lyn (I was wondering the same thing myself... but that's probably due to the bad writing/storyboarding in some spots, which I'll get to). I liked the introduction of "healers" and the fact that He-Man would be concerned enough about Lyn that he'd bring her back to the Royal Palace for treatment.
Now, the stuff I did NOT like: the Snakemen. I dunno... but I am SOOO over them at this point. So much so that I was actually pretty annoyed with Hssss and Rattlor's appearance at the start. I know this was ground already covered in the cartoon episode and that this volume of the comic book needs a jumping off point... but the mention of Serpos and all that just made me moan. I just want Skeletor back into the fold as a major player. Just off King Hssss already and make the remaining Snakemen (Lashor, Ssssqueeze, Snake Face, Rattlor and Khan) serve under Skeletor's rule. One thing I miss about the classic days is that Hssss and Skeletor had an uneasy alliance in the old mini-comics. You knew one day they would eventually turn on each other, but I enjoyed their "relationship" as it was presented back in the day. Now the Snakemen are not much more than pesky vermin and I for one want them squashed so the story can move on to better things. Another major moaner for me was the Evil-Lyn being injured bit.
Did I miss something? Looked to me like she got a bit of a jolt from the spell being broken... and she took a good *****-slap from Marzo. I'm not sure how He-Man smashing the rock caused her to be on the brink of death. It's not shown very clearly and causes confusion. I do like the "Problem-With-Power"-esque plotline, where Adam has his little talk with Man-At-Arms and it seems like an issue that should be dealt with. But the whole time I'm thinking "He-Man didn't really DO anything to Lyn... Marzo gave her a smack-down when the spell broke" and so I'm having a hard time with this story.
And let's face it- Evil-Lyn is NOT going to die. So the dramatic impact is not there for me. We went through this before when Man-At-Arms disappeared through the portal last year and it was all "oooh! ahhh!" and then he just reappeared and took the wind out of everything.
Another thing I hated was the communication devices He-Man and Teela used. Something about it just bothered me.
And lastly- can we be done with Snake Armor He-Man? Or is Mattel forcing MVC to use him in the comics for good? It seems pointless, considering there is no SA He-Man action figure for this comic book to sell. Just bring back the harness and loincloth the way He-Man should be, and get over this whole snake-themed BS.
I know it's kinda harsh, especially considering two things: I've always been a huge fan of the comic books up to this point, and right now the ONLY thing keeping He-Man alive in 2004 (aside from this website and a She-Ra con exclusive and busts/statues) is the comic book series. I guess I just am expecting a little bit more after all this wait.
Maybe it picks up in Issue #2?

[krosfyah]

Another major moaner for me was the Evil-Lyn being injured bit.
Did I miss something? Looked to me like she got a bit of a jolt from the spell being broken... and she took a good *****-slap from Marzo. I'm not sure how He-Man smashing the rock caused her to be on the brink of death. It's not shown very clearly and causes confusion. I do like the "Problem-With-Power"-esque plotline, where Adam has his little talk with Man-At-Arms and it seems like an issue that should be dealt with. But the whole time I'm thinking "He-Man didn't really DO anything to Lyn... Marzo gave her a smack-down when the spell broke" and so I'm having a hard time with this story.

The way I read it - He-Man doesn't know what happened to lyn, he just knows that he acted out and destroyed the place and Evil Lyn was buried under the rubble, just like in "the problem with power". He acted and saw what he thought was the result.

As for the Snakemen thing you mentioned, I love them, they are great...BUT I do have to agree with you a bit, i did like the old uneasy alliance they used to have. as well I miss Skelly, but as I have said before, don't count him out yet, Skeletor has what, maybe 2 years of evilness behind him (post mystic wall) Hordak and his have at LEAST centuries. I can wait for Skelly to become the major badass that he can be

[Penny Dreadful]

I am so glad the comic is back! Issue 1 was a fun read, and I love the "Problem With Power" aspect to Adam's concern about having possibly caused the death of Evil-Lyn. Its interesting seeing the fleshing out of these final episodes of the tv series, but I am looking forward to what lies beyond (if Mattel ever lets MVC do that!)

Its interesting that MVC decided to go with the original Moss-Man 4H design as opposed to the one used in the cartoon. I'm partial to the more Sasquatch-looking one from the 'toon, but this version is still cool.

As for the Snakemen, they are good villains, but Skeletor is the one I'm waiting to see again! I also look forward to seeing what kind of interaction Khan has with the Snakemen after all the abuse he's taken from Rattlor and the gang. That element was not present in this issue, but I suspect we'll see more of that tension down the line.

Great job MVC! I look forward to the next issue!

PennyPunk

[Emiliano]

Let's give some clarifications!

Now, the stuff I did NOT like: the Snakemen. I dunno... but I am SOOO over them at this point. So much so that I was actually pretty annoyed with Hssss and Rattlor's appearance at the start. I know this was ground already covered in the cartoon episode and that this volume of the comic book needs a jumping off point... but the mention of Serpos and all that just made me moan.

This story takes place between History and Awaken the Serpent.
So there is no way we can avoid mentioning Serpos.
We want to give more depth to that story and explain a few loose ends left by the show.
Beside ROTSM, the Snake Men haven't been explored in the comic yet.
I admit it's difficult because to me the Cartoon overused them and didn't left mucht to tell.
But I think we managed to find some interesting stories about them that are still worth to be told.
Just wait to see what the story is about, beleive me you're going to a few surprises

I just want Skeletor back into the fold as a major player. Just off King Hssss already and make the remaining Snakemen (Lashor, Ssssqueeze, Snake Face, Rattlor and Khan) serve under Skeletor's rule. One thing I miss about the classic days is that Hssss and Skeletor had an uneasy alliance in the old mini-comics. You knew one day they would eventually turn on each other, but I enjoyed their "relationship" as it was presented back in the day. Now the Snakemen are not much more than pesky vermin and I for one want them squashed so the story can move on to better things.

I understand, but the cartoon presented them in a different way from the beginning, so we have to follow that path for a while... yuou never can tell, they could make an Alliance with Skeeltor later on... keep in mind the end of Awaken the Serpent!

Another major moaner for me was the Evil-Lyn being injured bit.
Did I miss something? Looked to me like she got a bit of a jolt from the spell being broken... and she took a good *****-slap from Marzo. I'm not sure how He-Man smashing the rock caused her to be on the brink of death. It's not shown very clearly and causes confusion.

Um, why do you expect everything has to be explaind right from the first issue? Wait to read a couple more issues....

I do like the "Problem-With-Power"-esque plotline, where Adam has his little talk with Man-At-Arms and it seems like an issue that should be dealt with. But the whole time I'm thinking "He-Man didn't really DO anything to Lyn... Marzo gave her a smack-down when the spell broke" and so I'm having a hard time with this story.

Still wait to read the following issues to find out more, anyway there is enough for Adam to bleive he may be the cause of Evil-lyn dying: he came in, destroyed the entore well of darkness and make it explode.
I would beleive to be responsable if I was Adam!

And let's face it- Evil-Lyn is NOT going to die. So the dramatic impact is not there for me. We went through this before when Man-At-Arms disappeared through the portal last year and it was all "oooh! ahhh!" and then he just reappeared and took the wind out of everything.

True, we know. We've seen her in Awaken the Serpent... or not?

And lastly- can we be done with Snake Armor He-Man? Or is Mattel forcing MVC to use him in the comics for good? It seems pointless, considering there is no SA He-Man action figure for this comic book to sell. Just bring back the harness and loincloth the way He-Man should be, and get over this whole snake-themed BS.

Um, no, it would make no sense to have him without the Snake Armor before Awaken the Serpent, where we can see him wearing it.
It's all about consistence

I guess I just am expecting a little bit more after all this wait.

No I think you were just expecting something different.
The story is about EL dying, the Snake Men and... Well I believe you will still like where the story is ehaded, eve if it's filled with Snake Men and Snake Armor

[Sir Reilly]

Beside ROTSM, the Snake Men haven't been explored in the comic yet. I admit it's difficult because to me the Cartoon overused the Snake Men and didn't left mucht to tell.

I can't agree on the whole base.
Yes, the Snake Men appeared alot in the cartoon. But aside of the rather short "Rise of the Snake Men", they hardly were ever a bigger threat than Skeletor on a good day. And we learned nearly nothing about the "inner self" of them. All we know is they once ruled Eternia, created Snake Mountain, and use a huge, triple-headed snake as their "God". But we know nothing about HOW they conquered Eternia back then. Their only motivations seem to be just "conquer the planet" and "eat all the others". But what do they wanna do once they rule over Eternia again? What does King Hiss wanna do once he's consumed all other races on the planet? Has really literally "nothing" happened when they were trapped in the void?

[puddleduck]

I enjoyed the new issue. It was good to see Moss-man appear, even though I rather like the Mike Young version better. I thought that the panels of Cringer stalking a butterfly was a nice touch.

I have a few of questions:

What is the black stuff that King Hsss and Rattlor peel off themselves after He-man leaves?

Why does Moss-man have his hands up in the last panel we see him in?

Why does the advertisement for issue 5 have the 'cat-lady'? I thought you weren't able to use her.

Why no pupils for Tung-Lashor and Sssqueeze?

[Bounty Hunter]

Just picked up the new Vol 3 #1, I'm very glad to see this finally came out!
It was great, I cant wait to see what happens!

[ZODAK-ANU]

I can't agree on the whole base.
Yes, the Snake Men appeared alot in the cartoon. But aside of the rather short "Rise of the Snake Men", they hardly were ever a bigger threat than Skeletor on a good day. And we learned nearly nothing about the "inner self" of them. All we know is they once ruled Eternia, created Snake Mountain, and use a huge, triple-headed snake as their "God". But we know nothing about HOW they conquered Eternia back then. Their only motivations seem to be just "conquer the planet" and "eat all the others". But what do they wanna do once they rule over Eternia again? What does King Hiss wanna do once he's consumed all other races on the planet? Has really literally "nothing" happened when they were trapped in the void?

Good point....

We automatically assume that HORDAK has been busy since his departure to another dimension, so why not the SNAKE MEN??

[ZODAK-ANU]

Let's give some clarifications!


This story takes place between History and Awaken the Serpent.
So there is no way we can avoid mentioning Serpos.
We want to give more depth to that story and explain a few loose ends left by the show.
Beside ROTSM, the Snake Men haven't been explored in the comic yet.
I admit it's difficult because to me the Cartoon overused them and didn't left mucht to tell.
But I think we managed to find some interesting stories about them that are still worth to be told.
Just wait to see what the story is about, beleive me you're going to a few surprises

No I think you were just expecting something different.
The story is about EL dying, the Snake Men and... Well I believe you will still like where the story is ehaded, eve if it's filled with Snake Men and Snake Armor

These are good points as well.......

Personally, I like the SNAKE MEN, especially with how they were presented by MYP and MVC.

They were never treated like major players in previous incarnations, and whatever portrayals they had were minimal to begin with.

As for SKELETOR, he has always been at the 4-front. He's not the only villain in MOTU by far, and it's time to see what other threats the MASTERS face.

I say bring on the SNAKE MEN!!

[HeManOfGreyskull]

Well, just finished reading it, so here's the initial reaction:
the "History" stuff was good, nice to see the connectivity. The whole issue of killing was nice to see with Adam, just hope it isn't overplayed. He-Man's too cool to wallowing in self-pity for too long. Hiss' little "look what I did to Evil-Lyn" was neat, although how many beatings can we expect to see the Faceless One get? And I'm surprised Adam is so caught in Evil-Lyn, after all, he did already offer the olive branch in "Price of Deceit" and look what she did then , and I am curious to see where the plot is going with her capture....I'm sure Skeletor will be along shortly for his former flame, seeing as how she's healthy by the time of "Awaken the Serpent" and back in Snake Mountain.

Well, here's hoping we get a Skeletor/Hiss fight in the next couple of issues, that's one thing I was hoping the cartoon would get to.

[the_ultimate_evil]

i just hope my shop gets it being in the uk its touch and go. i checked the shipping list for the next 2 weeks but didnt see any mvcreations on it

[Mr.Treeface]

Why doesn't Moss Man look like Moss Man? I like the Wolfman look from the toon much better.