I can now understand why Adam was killed twice, and it's a set up for what happens in part 2.
I really enjoyed the conversation between Orko and Evil-Lyn. I am hoping in a future episode Evil-Lyn remembers that and it causes her to change. Orko was a hero!
Lena Headey played her. She was born to be an evil queen for sure lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Divia
That was pretty sad, but we saw it foreshadowed when she mentioned he was 'no different' than the 'pack of liars' (which somehow included a King who didn't know anything:hmconf:), but at least in the end (both prior to and after the stabbing) we got this trope:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dina M
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Is Adam even dead? We never actually saw him die lmao. Pretty gnarly wound, but I feel like the tension will be whether or not he recovers from his injuries since you know, he can't go back.
And again, they're treating Orko like he's super dead for real, but it's too early of a death for such an important character. Especially since they now brought in the trollan lore about them making the sword and the proposed theory that Orko may very well be the last one left, if that happens to be true. Just leaving that entire subsection of lore just hanging there would be a huge waste of potential, and I don't really see how they could do it WELL without somehow bringing Orko back.
Kinda want him to just show up sipping a baja blast like "hey guys, sorry it took so long, it took almost a week to make sure Scareglow couldn't escape super-mega-hell. What'd I miss?"
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Originally Posted by Cameron Samurai
I've waited FOREVER to see a Sorceress Teela and King He-Man. Make it happen! I actually thought the 200X cartoon was going to go in this direction but it never got there...if it was going there...
Well, keep in mind that I was introduced to Teela by the MYP cartoon. To me, this is EXACTLY what Teela would do. She holds grudges, she blames everyone but herself, and she can be a bit of a hypocrite. She's got a heart; she doesn't REALLY wish harm on anyone... but the moment anyone causes her the least bit of harm or worry, even accidental, or even just that she THINKS they've caused her harm or worry... she's going to be miffed about it for AGES; even when not confrontational she's passive-aggressive as all get-out. So when I watched this show I was all "yep, Teela's perfectly in character here!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Cameron Samurai
That'd be awesome. And funny. And I agree with you, I don't think he's dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by RiverToad
Funny, I saw all of MYP and I never got that from Teela...mind you, I did read the MYP comics, which treated her with a bit more empathy and brought her crush on Adam to the forefrontQuote:
Originally Posted by Dina M
I think he got sent back to king grayskull's timeline. and became The Oracle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dina M
...oh? When did they do that? I can't remember that at all from the comics. :hmblsh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cameron Samurai
You know, that could be it. Or at least he might in some form come back as "Oracle." That would have made his and Evil-Lyn's conversation very foreshadowy.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigfootRULES
The comics didn't touch on it that much, and before they could flesh it out, the show stopped and so did they, let's just say she didn't like a lot of the attention Adam was giving a 'wounded' Evil-Lyn:hmgrin:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dina M
They also had a really touching conversation about their childhoods that I fleshed out in a fanfic
Ooooh, the "wounded Evil-Lyn" storyline. I... kinda stopped reading the comic at that point, to be honest. It was starting to feel too much like a fanfiction, and not the kind of fanfiction I'm interested in reading. :elblsh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cameron Samurai
I love how they have put in lines from the 87 movie!
Really loved seeing Preternia and the previous champions of Grayskull. Hopefully we'll see them again in the 2nd half of episodes. Adam getting stabbed by Skeletor was typical Skeletor and well done. I don't think Adam is dead, just hurt badly. Loved callbacks to the 80's movie. Great cliffhanger with Skeletor as the master of the universe, going to be hard to wait for the 2nd half!
Tee hee, well there wasn't much more to go after that, I don't think it had a conclusionQuote:
Originally Posted by Dina M
I did read the last issue because it was an Orko issue. :orgrin: And that issue was probably the best of the MYP comics too... not just cause it starred Orko, but it was better paced and had more of an emotional punch than most of the other issues. So at least they went out on a high note.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cameron Samurai
You know, with how much Orko was treated like he had some sort of terminal illness, I really was expecting him to die from using too much magic. I figured he'd deal with Scareglow just fine and then while everyone's like "Yay, you did it Orko! Woo!" he just collapses and dies because he overdid it. That's what it appeared to be setting up. But instead, he just sends both himself and Scareglow to superhell a la basically what the climax of Kung Fu Panda 3 was. I figured that "dies in generic magical explosion while taking them both out" was a valid option but with how it was being set up in the show itself I really thought it was going to be my other theory.
Also, I completely neglected to mention Roboto. Poor sap got overshadowed between Orko being vaporized and Adam being skewered. Still thought it was a better scene in that Roboto was just in general a better character to kill off permanently. I do feel like everyone was a bit too sad, but that's more like, an issue in that we should have gotten more casual interactions between them.
Overall, I think this episode dealt with Teela and Adam's issues in a relatively healthy way, to the point where we won't get the same kind of interactions with them going forward into volume two.
The clue was definitely in King Grayskull's speech, there's a part of Teela that wants Adam to come with them, but the King's comments make her doubt Adam would ever want to give it up, and makes her dread that he could.
She's angry at Adam's secret, we see that in the forest earlier in the day and right after he explains the wild hunt to her, it's all sweetness and teamwork...the scene in the evening is her trying to bring it up as a defensive measure, but Adam suspects it's a lot more than that. Teela is torn between wanting him to leave Preternia with her and wanting to keep him where he is so he doesn't have to bear witness to the catastrophe on Eternia.
As Cringer puts it in episode two, Teela knows Adam's heart, and he would do everything to try and mend others', that's what she was afraid of having to deal with, she was'nt angry at him by that point, she was angry at the situation. When Adam does agree to return, she is ecstatic, she feels she finally got her way and there's a clear path to a happy ending, she opens up more again, to the point she embraces Duncan when they reunite at Grayskull
And even when Adam is gravely wounded by Skeletor, Teela's fortitude finally melts and she fully embraces being that faithful friend again, perhaps more.
Her arc here does her more justice than the preceding first four episodes ever do, they are closer in tone to the Filmation Teela, and it gives me hope we'll see more familiarity with Teela going forward.
What you wrote is extremely insightful, and I'm seeing stuff on twitter like "The 80's series had more character development" and I have to just, sigh...Quote:
Originally Posted by Cameron Samurai
Without what character development there was in the old show, you definitely would not have so many cribs for this one.:hmgrin:Quote:
Originally Posted by benvoliothefirst
But thanks for the compliment, it's my own little interpretation of scenes, being a writer and a fan it's nice to flex my creative analysis muscle. Someone else might disagree and have their own idea
When the Oracle was introduced in "The Power of Grayskull," I theorized that he was a time-displaced Orko, who is aging in reverse like Merlin, because everything on Eternia is backwards for Trollans.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigfootRULES
I heard that was going happen if MYP continued.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam_Prince of Eternia
I could imagine them trying to find the Oracle to find out how to stop Skelegod and it turns out, it's an older Orko.
At this point, I hope Kevin Smith has the courage to completely subvert our expectations and have Skelegod win at the end of the series.
Wait, so is no one going to tell Duncan what happened to Orko and Roboto? This feels like something that should be addressed ON-SCREEN and I don't think it would be very nice of Teela and co to just force him to assume the worst. Like dude, he basically kept Orko alive this entire time and was the one who CREATED Roboto so why are they just pretending it's not important enough to discuss?
I felt way more saddened at Roboto's death than Mossman or (supposedly) Orko's...
That one hit me in the feelings.
I felt the same way along that might be due to preparation for Revelations. I have been watching Flimation episodes every once in awhile for this show and the last one I watched was Happy Birthday Roboto.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ornclown
Yeah. I assume all the dead characters will be back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skeletor's Lackey
Orko just really disappeared w scare glow
Moss man is a plant and can regrow aka groot.
Roboto can be rebuilt.
People getting their knickers in a knot of these "deaths" need to chill. When have we ever seen someone in Motu truly die?Quote:
Originally Posted by King Kahn
Didn't the Mighty Spector die? I think a better question will be when has a major character died in MOTU?Quote:
Originally Posted by Divia
I don't even remember who the Might Spector is :telol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Reviews2D
I don't think a major character will die. If one does it should be A. Sorceress B. Duncan.
Mossman is in he-man heaven. If he comes back to life he lost his spot there.Quote:
Originally Posted by King Kahn
Didn't they also leave Roboto's remaining parts in Preternia?
I love how Kevin Smith starts the after show by mentioning that they killed He-Man twice, haha
Although I don't think that Adam died again. But I do think that he might have lost a kidney and maybe his appendix.
Yeah, didn't think Skeletor was gone for good. If anyone can survive getting atomized, it's him. Was kinda disappointed with Evil-Lyn just going back to what she has admitted was a bad relationship, but it either feels like something similar to Zuko betraying Iroh in Ba-Sing-Se, or she's going to betray him for her own gain. One thing for sure, Tri-Klops, Trapjaw, and Whiplash better have some good explanations ready when Skelly comes back home.
Preternia is interesting. Grayskull essentially gave Adam the same speech Charlie got from Angela in All Dogs Go To Heaven. It makes sense though. You're only supposed to get a reward once.
Hopefully part two will see Randor get involved again. Still reserving overall judgement, but I am curious enough to see part two when it comes out.
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Seems kinda weird to me. You'd think a plant elemental like Moss Man would have been able to survive simply being set on fire.Quote:
Originally Posted by Battledog
I guess the real question is why no just tried lilting him sooner. :sklol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Asher Tye
Who even goes to Subternia? Bad people? Non-Champions and non-Mossmen?
God, finally someone who isn't remembering Teela with rose colored glasses. MYP Teela was awful, and had I been Adam, I would have been plotting to have her thrown in the dungeon as soon as I became King.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dina M
This version is a nice mix of the unreasonable temper of MYP Teela (that nobody minded, because they liked the eyecandy lol) and the Filmation Teela that actually cared about her friends (but still had a temper.) She was miles better than the 2012-2013 comics with blonde Teela, who was less likable than any character in the MOTU has ever been, but nobody complained because she was falling out of her clothes all the time.
Anyway, I can't take the "this isn't like Teela at all!!!" seriously because
1. LOL, yes it is! She is exactly like this.
2. It's called stages of grief. She's grieving her friend, who lied to her, and she is furious. Being furious and unable to let go of that is a perfectly normal thing.
3. Especially when you are as prone to anger as the character of Teela has literally always been. :hmlol::hmlol::hmlol::hmlol::hmlol::hmlol:
When legitimate, enjoyment-breaking critiques cannot be found, people will start grasping at straws...Quote:
Originally Posted by 80slady
Agreed. So far, all of the "deaths" can be reversed or are fake outs.Quote:
Originally Posted by King Kahn
Moss Man might actually be dead since he's in Preternia. Maybe he left behind a "new" Moss Man like Groot. The original guy is dead, but there is a new Moss Man growing in his place.
I wouldn't say this critique is necessarily grasping at straws. Especially since the people review bombing it rather saw "Kevin Smith lied it's the Teela show" at least the out of character seem to be coming from people who actually watched the show.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ornclown
I actually liked this episode more than I thought I would. Loved seeing Wundar and especially He-Ro! I literally gasped when I saw how beautiful He-Ro's armor looked. The colors in this series were on point! It was weird seeing race swapped King Grayskull, but he looked great and had a decent presence. I laughed because they are all just chilling in a retirement community for ex He-Men....Fantasy Island for dead He-Men!
I really enjoyed Orko's "sacrifice" and he was kind of a beast toward the end. He and Scareglow are definitely just teleported somewhere. I refuse to believe Orko is dead just like that.
Skeletor saying He-Man's signature phrase is believable if he is indeed King Randor's brother. Maybe the power is only in their familial line? Would have loved to see some more stuff about Skeletor and the Gar race. There is so much story and character arcs to explore with MOTU, I wish they had more time. I just needed more, and I feel like we didn't get enough character development for 90% the male characters.
BTW, I cannot stand this version of Teela. She used to be one of my favorite characters, so I will just remember her as she was and not this ugly, ***** up, Point Dread version.:hmmad:
Why did Adam choose to remain as Adam in Preternia? Was it due to his resentment of having to keep his identity a secret?