Hordak was a Spelean

Ok, hear me out. This may sound a bit whacked out, but follow the logic.

When Keldor was dying, he contacted Hordak, who used a spell to keep him alive, although, with a skull head. If you look at the 4H bust and staction figure, Hordak’s head is clearly made of bone. As the rest of his body is not, this would imply that he did have a “real” head at one time, as well.

So if you take Hordak’s head and add muscle and skin, and color it gray, like his body, you have something that looks very similar to a Spelean. Although I think Hordak would be a mutated Spelean, or from a race that is similar to Speleans, as he has the extra bone protusions and fin. Although he could have cosmetically added these himself with a bone-shaping spell….





What do you think?


Dr. Omega

Hordak is batlike, but i think he is his own entity, like Keldor. I think the bat-like features he possesses are more a (conscious or subconscious) nod to Judaeo-Christian demonology.
In the classic line/series and the new, Hordak is a being that Skeletor would aspire to be like, the Gordon Gecko to Skeletor's Charlie Sheen. Hordak was always much more mysterious than Skeletor - filmation touched on this, but the new cartoon fleshed out their disparity a little more.
In the classic toy line Skeletor was Hordak's apprentice - emulating Lucas's Sith mythology but also countless comic-book relationships. See for example The Joker's relationship to Lex Luthor or Carnage to Venom.
I believe Hordak is his own demonic entity, unrelated to planetary species.

The new Hordak resemble very closely to a vampire ... i mean he got a red cape and the bat symbol.

I don't know... he COULD be Spelean. But either way, he's really vain to have his own image on his armor. (The little Hordak-head on his bat emblem on his chestplate.)



But look at this... if Hordak is Spelean, what happened to his wings? Maybe they were ripped off or he lost them. But they do look like Hordak's Horde wings... Hmmm... you might be onto something here Dr.Ω.

Hordak is Mattel's answer to DC's Batman! Ha-ha-ha-(snort! snort!)

It´s just too bad we might never find out if this is true or totally false.

But I would like to think it´s true

Originally Posted by DJ Force

It´s just too bad we might never find out if this is true or totally false.

But I would like to think it´s true

The Horsemen designed the guiy, so maybe hey can shed some light on this..
Although I think he isn't Spelean, I would be cool with it.

about wings and the differences in look recal hordak was alive eons ago, we still aren't sure how long ago that was things can change it is the long definition of the word.

Neo, did they design Dactys and the Speleans as well?

Because Hordak´s design was somehow manifested several years ago
So the Speleans might have been designed to look like Hordak, not the other way round.

I always thought Hordak was of the same race as Baddhra of Two Bad.

They both seem to share the same facial features, the ridge in the middle going up, the thorns/spikes of their fore heads and in Seperation the Avatar of Hordak ears kinda looked the same as Baddhras.

Wait... you maybe onto something...

I think the theory is genius. nice work.
And now I think the Baddra one is too. nice work.

Nuh-uh!

Maybe I'm just so story-starved (aren't we all?) that it sounds like genius.

I know that he was originally designed to look like a bat, and Speleans are too, but I just thought it was fun to think of his origins. I was doodling the 4H version yesterday and wondered what his face would look like with skin & muscle and thought of this.

It is my other personal theory that the Horde were originally designed based loosely on the Universal Studio Monsters:

Hordak = Dracula
Grizzlor = Wolfman
Leech = Creature from the Black Lagoon
Mantenna = The Fly
Modulok = Frankenstein

I also think Skeletor learned from Hordak so well that he started subconsciously emulating the Horde members with his own band of warriors, in terms of their skills/attributes:

Skeletor = Hordak -- Magic User/Skull Head/Leader
Beast Man = Grizzlor -- Beast Like Strength Warrior
Mer Man = Leech -- Underwater warrior
Evil Lyn = Shadow Weaver -- Female 2nd in Command Magic User
Mantenna = TriKlops -- Vision Powers
Trap Jaw = Modulok -- Modular body/Modular Weapon Arm


Dr. Omega

Originally Posted by Dr. Omega

It is my other personal theory that the Horde were originally designed based loosely on the Universal Studio Monsters:

Hordak = Dracula
Grizzlor = Wolfman
Leech = Creature from the Black Lagoon
Mantenna = The Fly
Modulok = Frankenstein

My god! I never thought of that before! That's genius! It makes me wish they had released that mummy hordesman from Tomart...it woulda been brilliant.

Goo dpoitns on both sides here.. but my main reason that hordak wouldn't be a spelean, is that the anatomy of spelean feet is VERY different to hordak's legs. Hordak still has the big toes, but the rest is just too different (for me anyway)

Originally Posted by roykop

Goo dpoitns on both sides here.. but my main reason that hordak wouldn't be a spelean, is that the anatomy of spelean feet is VERY different to hordak's legs. Hordak still has the big toes, but the rest is just too different (for me anyway)

Hence this line:

Originally Posted by Dr. Omega

Although I think Hordak would be a mutated Spelean, or from a race that is similar to Speleans, as he has the extra bone protusions and fin. Although he could have cosmetically added these himself with a bone-shaping spell….

I am thinking a very similar, but somewhat different race.. He also doesn't have the ginormous lower fangs either.

@Rook
Yeah, that Tomart's pic of the Mummy Hordesman really clinched it for me that it was the designer's intent. They seemed to have dropped that concept with Dragstor and Mosquitor, though.. What, does Dragstor represent Steven King's Christine?


Dr. Omega

Originally Posted by Dr. Omega

I know that he was originally designed to look like a bat, and Speleans are too, but I just thought it was fun to think of his origins. I was doodling the 4H version yesterday and wondered what his face would look like with skin & muscle and thought of this.

It is my other personal theory that the Horde were originally designed based loosely on the Universal Studio Monsters:

Hordak = Dracula
Grizzlor = Wolfman
Leech = Creature from the Black Lagoon
Mantenna = The Fly
Modulok = Frankenstein

I also think Skeletor learned from Hordak so well that he started subconsciously emulating the Horde members with his own band of warriors, in terms of their skills/attributes:

Skeletor = Hordak -- Magic User/Skull Head/Leader
Beast Man = Grizzlor -- Beast Like Strength Warrior
Mer Man = Leech -- Underwater warrior
Evil Lyn = Shadow Weaver -- Female 2nd in Command Magic User
Mantenna = TriKlops -- Vision Powers
Trap Jaw = Modulok -- Modular body/Modular Weapon Arm


Dr. Omega

Personally I don't like the idea that Hordak was Spelean.

But that doesn't mean it is not a good idea!


I like the Horde = Classic Monster comparison you posted!

It would be cool to see some Dr. Omega redesigns, reimagined, based on this concept...

eh, I still say he looks like Prahvus without the horns.

http://www.he-man.org/cartoon/motu/u.../prahvus.shtml

Originally Posted by Megatron

I always thought Hordak was of the same race as Baddhra of Two Bad.

They both seem to share the same facial features, the ridge in the middle going up, the thorns/spikes of their fore heads and in Seperation the Avatar of Hordak ears kinda looked the same as Baddhras.

Good call. I mean obviously if you look at the old toys is just the designers style can also be seen in Stratos, but the 4HM and the new show kinda unified these styles into something new didn't they? ...or we are reading waaaaay to much into things

Originally Posted by DJ Force

Neo, did they design Dactys and the Speleans as well?

Because Hordak´s design was somehow manifested several years ago
So the Speleans might have been designed to look like Hordak, not the other way round.

Hm.. You're right, the Horsemen did design Hordak first. Then came MYP with the Dactys.
We should ask them. Is there anyone from the toon staff on these boards????

I doubt it.

Otherwise a lot of questions would come up for them to answer

Originally Posted by DJ Force

I doubt it.

Otherwise a lot of questions would come up for them to answer

True, true..

Originally Posted by Dr. Omega

Yeah, that Tomart's pic of the Mummy Hordesman really clinched it for me that it was the designer's intent.

I thought about this, and I bet they scrapped the mummy figure because he was too similar to Mumm-ra in Thundercats..


Dr. Omega

Hey I missed this mummy guy everyone's talking about where can I see it? can soemone provide a pic?

"Hordak's head is clearly made of bone"? Uhh I don't think so. for one thing Hordak has very promanant ears and ears don't have bones in them. And frankly looking at the design Hordak clearly has skin. I'll admit the skin color is somewhat bonelike and the nose kinda looks skullish (more bat-like though)

Frankly I don't think Hordak is of a race indiginous to Eternia. I always pictured him as a being from another dimension. I know the new line has kinda gotten away from involving other planets (which makes little sense since its Masters of the UNIVERSE) but they do still deal with dimensional travel.

I believe Hordak is an evil being, transformed by power, and possibly Horde Prime into the creature he is now.

Interesting theory, but I don't support it.