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    Quote Originally Posted by gbagok View Post
    Wish I could take credit for it, but it's what the TV show and the comic gave us. I’m a little fuzzy on what the sequence of events was after Miro came into the scene.

    He had two kids, Keldor and Randor
    He defeated Count Marzo
    Randor became a Captain same as Miro
    Keldor built an army (seen in Icons of Evil and Price of Deceit)
    Keldor marched on the Hall of Wisdom
    Elders made Randor the King of Eternia
    Randor fought Keldor, Keldor’s face was burned off
    Keldor became Skeletor
    Mystic Wall went up
    Teela-Na became pregnant with Teela
    The Great Unrest (I think, or maybe Keldor’s uprising was the Great Unrest?)
    Randor got the leg brace (I assume in battle, but maybe he just sprained something)
    Hall of Wisdom disappeared (or is destroyed)
    Palace of Eternia built by an architect who was a fan of the Hall of Wisdom
    Skeletor broke through Mystic Wall
    Randor’s son Prince Adam becomes He-Man
    • Captain Miro defeats Count Marzo; the amulet of Count Marzo is hidden in the Sands of Fire, and Count Marzo is imprisoned in the body of an elderly man.
    • Keldor is born, followed by Randor.
    • Randor succeeds Miro as Captain of the Defenders of Eternia; Keldor assembles a group of warriors.
    • The Elders appoint Captain Randor King of Eternia, transform into the Crystal Orb, and take residence in the Crystal Chamber beneath Castle Grayskull.
    • Keldor and his warriors attack the Hall of Wisdom; Keldor is fatally wounded, and he and his warriors retreat to the Dark Hemisphere.
    • The Defenders of Eternia pursue Keldor and his warriors; Man-At-Arms and the Sorceress erect the Mystic Wall.
    • Evil-Lyn takes Keldor to the sanctuary of Hordak; Keldor is transformed into Skeletor.
    • Teela-Na leaves Castle Grayskull, and journeys to Palleezea.
    • The Great Unrest begins.
    • Teela-Na defeats Prahvus.
    • Teela-Na marries a soldier and conceives Teela; upon the return of his memory, he returns to fight in the Great Unrest, and she returns to Castle Grayskull.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Trinity View Post
    So when do we think King Hsss actually ruled Eternia? I figured it happened long before King Grayskull. But if that were the case, where did he rule from if there wasn't a Snake Mountain until much later?

    - I always figured the Snake Men ruled Eternia in the early beginning.

    Their home-base could have been anywhere, what with them ruling the land and having Serpos.

    - Then the Council of Wisdom and Faceless One events happened (MVC Comic Vol3 flashback).

    - Long after that, came the time of King Grayskull.
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    Hmm...sorry to dredge up another long-buried topic, but I was thinking about this today and hit a snag in my head.

    I don't think the Spell of Separation could have been cast prior to the Snake Men being locked away in the void because in "Second Skin," Orko reads about the Serpent's Ring and said that it was hidden in the Caverns of Rakash. The Ring was hidden behind a carving of the Snake Men being sealed in the void, suggesting that they had already been imprisoned.

    Orko was unfamiliar with the Caverns of Rakash until he realized that they became the SEA of Rakash after Hordak cast the Spell of Separation.

    Logically, following that pattern, the spell would have to have been cast AFTER the Snake Men were sealed away...unless we chalk this up to an error made by Mike Young Productions.

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    Masters of the Universe 200X Timeline

    I greatly revised and expanded upon the Timelines of 200X Eternia that gbagok and Adam_Prince of Eternia wrote from 2005/2008, adding brief summaries of each episode and several of the MVCreations comics, which I did my best to place in chronological order. Info from post-series commentaries and planned but unproduced plot developments is also included. I expect to make frequent edits to this timeline as I correct or add new information, but at present it's generally complete.

    Preternia:
    Nordor turns against his fellow Ancients during the first Great War.
    Nordor splits his essence in two.
    The Council of Wisdom defeats Nordor, turns him into the Unnamed, and traps the half of him they knew about in the Shakarran Crystal.
    The other half of his spirit obtains a mechanical body, becoming Horde Prime.
    Hiss becomes King of the Snake Men.
    The Trollan Oracle of Zalesia travels to Eternia.
    Hordak casts the Spell of Separation, dividing Eternia between the Light and Dark Hemispheres, but stops before it bisects the planet.
    The Caverns of Rakash are flooded into the Sea of Rakash.
    The Snake Men challenge Hordak and all Eternia.
    Keldor arrives in Preternia from the future.
    Grayskull becomes King and marries the sorceress Veena.
    The Horde fights the Snake Men and defeats them.
    King Grayskull meets The Oracle of Zalesia, who tells him he has the power to stop Hordak, but will not survive the battle, and returns his sword.
    King Grayskull battles Hordak and his Horde and banishes them to Despondos.
    Grayskull dies, transforming his allies into the powerful Elders and his blade into the Sword of Power. Veena becomes the first Sorceress of Castle Grayskull, vowing to protect it and the Sword as long as she can and find a successor when she cannot.
    The Snake Men rise again.
    The Elders imprison Serpos in Snake Mountain.
    King Hiss takes control of Snake Mountain and turns it into a fortress. He makes a treaty with the Council of Wisdom not to attack their lands if they don't have mates or kids.
    By now, a sorcerer surnamed Powers has become the Lord of Zalesia, inherited the Havoc Staff and the Ram Stone, and joined the Council.
    Keldor briefly joins the Snake Men.
    Powers defies the Council by taking a mate, who dies giving birth to their daughter, Evelyn.
    King Hiss takes Evelyn and trades her back to Powers for an Amulet he created to summon Serpos, then gives it the power to control Serpos.
    Keldor protects Hiss from Powers's attempts to stop him.
    Serpos destroys many lands.
    Keldor takes Evelyn to safety in the future in return for the Havoc Staff.
    Even with the Ram Stone, Powers fails to stop Serpos from destroying the city of Zalesia.
    The Council defeats Serpos, imprisons him in Snake Mountain, turns Powers into the Faceless One, and imprisons him in the ruins of Zalesia forever as the Ram Stone's guardian.
    The Medallion loses the power to control Serpos, so the Snake Men hide it in their Subternian Temple of Serpos.
    Cosmic Enforcers Zeelahr and Zodak fight King Hiss, who eats Zeelahr. Zodak swears revenge.
    He and the Elders banish the Snake Men to the void in Snake Mountain.
    They hide the Serpent Ring in the Sea of Rakash. They're so old, they still call it the "Caverns of Rakash" when they write the Ring's location on the Tablet of the Elders and the ancient texts in Grayskull. They also hide The Diamond Ray of Disappearance in an ice cave.

    Eternia, Recent History:
    King Grayskull's descendant Miro becomes Eternos's Captain of the Guard.
    Miro fathers Keldor with a Gar, then Randor with a fellow human.
    The Faceless One's daughter is returned to him.
    Count Marzo attacks the Hall of Wisdom. Captain Miro captures him. The Elders imprison Marzo in the body of a short, elderly man, exile him to the Dark Hemisphere beneath the Valley of Geryon, and hide his Basophil Amulet deep within a ridge in the Sands of Fire.
    Keldor is the bad seed of his family, and possibly tries to poison Miro. He engages in a long sibling rivalry with Randor.
    Randor succeeds Miro as Captain of the Defenders of Eternia.
    Keldor time travels to Preternia. [through a Time Corridor?]
    Keldor helps Hiss, ensuring Powers can't stop him.
    Keldor trades the Havoc Staff from Powers in return for saving baby Evelyn by taking her to the future ~40 years before He-Man.
    Keldor gives the child Evelyn back to The Faceless One in Zalesia.
    Keldor returns to his time period of origin (~20 years before He-Man).
    Evelyn leaves The Faceless One and becomes the bad witch Evil-Lyn.
    By this time, Teela Na has succeeded her ancestor Veena and her previous successors as Sorceress of Castle Grayskull.
    Keldor starts assembling an army of warriors (as seen in Icons of Evil and The Price of Deceit).
    Keldor recruits Beast Man, then Tri-Klops, then Kronis, then Evil-Lyn. He also recruited Mer-Man, Whiplash, Clawful, and Panthor, though I don't know in what order.
    Teela Na leaves Castle Grayskull and travels to Pelleezeea to grow closer to the people she protects.
    Teela Na defeats Prahvus.
    Prahvus, Keldor, and other tyrants begin a conflict called The Great Unrest. The Defenders - Randor, Man-At-Arms (Duncan), Ram Man, Mekaneck, and Stratos - and their allies Fisto, the Caligars, and the Speleans, fight together against tyranny.
    Fisto is injured in battle so badly he forgets his name and goes MIA. Teela Na treats his wounds at Pelleezeea. His brother Duncan believes him a deserter.
    Teela Na marries Fisto and they conceive Teela. Upon the return of his memory, Fisto forgets his life with Teela Na and returns to fight in the Great Unrest, then she returns to Castle Grayskull.
    Keldor and his army march on the Hall of Wisdom.
    The Elders appoint Captain Randor King of Eternia, transform into the Crystal Orb, and take residence in the Crystal Chamber beneath Castle Grayskull.
    Keldor and his warriors attack the Hall of Wisdom. Keldor is fatally wounded, and he and his warriors retreat to the Dark Hemisphere.
    The Defenders of Eternia pursue Keldor and his warriors.
    Keldor’s face melts off.
    Evil-Lyn takes Keldor to the sanctuary of Hordak. He saves Keldor by transforming him into Skeletor for a price to be extracted later.
    The Sorceress gives birth to Teela.
    King Randor and Queen Marlena have a son, Prince Adam.
    Man-At-Arms and the Sorceress erect the Mystic Wall.
    The Sorceress gives Teela to Duncan to raise as his daughter.
    The Hall of Wisdom disappears. A marketplace is established in its ruins.
    Skeletor and his warriors retreat to Snake Mountain, except Kronis, who dislikes how Keldor has changed and amasses an army against him.
    The Caligars and Speleans engage in hostilities in Subternia.
    Randor wears a leg brace from then on due to an old battle injury.
    The Royal Palace of Eternia is built with clear inspiration from the Hall of Wisdom.
    The young Prince Adam befriends Cringer as a cub.
    The Oracle's descendant, Orko the Great, is caught in a time vortex and trapped on Eternia.
    Orko saves Adam and Cringer in the Tar Swamp but loses his wand.
    Randor thanks Orko by appointing him court jester.
    Skeletor defeats Kronis and his army and mutilates him but allows him to rejoin his Evil Warriors. Tri-Klops repairs him into the cyborg Trap-Jaw.
    Skeletor sends Mer-Man on a two-year mission to find the coridite crystal.
    Man-At-Arms sufficiently trains Teela that he turns the position of Captain of the Guard to her by the time she's 16 (or earlier).

    Eternia, Present:
    E1. Skeletor breaks through the Mystic Wall. Duncan takes Adam to Castle Grayskull on his 16th birthday to meet the Sorceress.
    E2. Skeletor captures Randor. Adam and Cringer become He-Man and Battle Cat. Orko, Duncan, and the Sorceress keep their secret.
    E3. He-Man saves Randor from Skeletor and names his allies Masters of the Universe. Skeletor's forces return to Snake Mountain.
    E4. Skeletor deduces that He-Man wields the power of the Elders. He captures Adam and sends back his sword as bait for He-Man. The Masters rescue Adam. Orko and Cringer sneak Adam's sword back to him. He-Man saves the Masters from Skeletor's giant Bone Monster.
    E5. Skeletor instigates a war between Avion and Andreenos to defeat He-Man. He is thwarted, peace is established between the two, and Buzz-Off joins the Masters.
    E6. He-Man's sword absorbs the coridite crystal's power. Skeletor suspects Castle Grayskull holds the power of the Elders.
    E7. Evil-Lyn takes the Ram Stone from the Faceless One in Zalesia. Orko takes it from Skeletor and drops it over the Jawbridge. Evil-Lyn returns it to the Faceless One, who calls her his daughter.
    E8. Evil-Lyn displays the power to entrance others as a siren. Duncan develops a countermeasure against it for the Masters.
    E9. The Sorceress is weakened giving Teela a life-saving blood transfusion that briefly gives her telepathy. Evil-Lyn uses it to trick her, leaving Grayskull unguarded. Skeletor confirms it has the power of the Elders but is thwarted. The Sorceress and Duncan discuss that she's Teela's mother, and that it must be kept secret.
    MVC V1#1. Orko finds a shard of the Shakarran Crystal.
    MVC V1#2. The Sorceress tells He-Man, Duncan, and Orko of the Crystal's origins. She directs He-Man to find and reunite the rest of the fragments with the shard, which leads him to Snake Mountain.
    MVC V1#3. Under the shard's vile influence, He-Man helps Evil-Lyn reunite the Crystal.
    MVC V1#4. Prince Adam stops the Crystal from taking over his body. He-Man shatters it with his sword. Evil-Lyn secretly takes its last remaining shard.
    E10. The Qadians join Randor's alliance against Skeletor. Duncan dispels Teela's suspicion that a dragon recognized He-Man as Adam.
    E11. He-Man destroys the Diamond Ray of Disappearance Skeletor wanted. Man-At-Arms forces an anti-evil belt onto him. Later, Tri-Klops forces an anti-heroism harness on He-Man, who ends up destroying both devices.
    E12. Marzo tricks Mekaneck into returning his Amulet, restoring him. Mekaneck thwarts his attack on Eternos, and his Amulet is lost.
    E13. Beast Man unleashes his Shadowbeasts on Eternia but is ultimately forced to return them to their cage of total darkness.
    E14. Whiplash guides the Evil Warriors through Subternia to beneath Grayskull. Randor, Adam, and Duncan abandon their attempt to mediate a conflict between their Spelean allies and former Caligar allies to stop them.
    E15. To keep the Legacy Stones from Skeletor, He-Man destroys them and recruits their guardian, Sy-Klone of Anwat Gar, to the Masters.
    E16. Beast Man controls Man-E-Beast, but Man-E learns to resist him. Skeletor merges rival bounty hunters Tuvar and Baddrah into Two-Bad for failing him.
    MVC V2#3. An evil AU Man-At-Arms switches places with his counterpart.
    MVC V2#6. He-Man throws bad Duncan through a gateway back to his own dimension, getting his Duncan back. The gateway opens a portal to Despondos. Skeletor almost stops He-Man from destroying it until he hears Hordak on the other side. Hordak, with Shadow Weaver and his Hordesmen at his side, suggests Skeletor requires a test of loyalty.
    E17. Duncan's chess robot Roboto upgrades himself into a warrior to stop Tri-Klops's Bone Monster army and joins the Masters.
    E18. Stratos earns the trust of the Kulataks, who have Eternium ore, allowing Man-At-Arms to line Eternos's prison with it.
    E19. Evilseed tricks Orko into freeing him. He captures the Masters until he's reimprisoned by He-Man and Moss Man, who joins the Masters.
    E20. While picking up honeyberries from Veridas for Queen Andreeno's jubilee, Buzz-Off must save the village from three giants.
    E21. By escaping prison and betraying Skeletor, Kobra Khan frees General Rattlor, stirring Webstor in the process. The Masters and Zodak stop Khan from freeing the other Snake Men from the void in Snake Mountain.
    E22. Duncan brings Teela and Adam to meet his old mentor Dekker on Orkas Island, where they fight Clawful's cousin and his kin.
    E23. Odiphus is mutated into Stinkor and becomes an Evil Warrior.
    E24. Two-Bad casts the Spell of Separation at the Well of Darkness in the vain hope that it'll defuse him. He-Man undoes the spell before it bisects the planet.
    E25. Skeletor allows his warriors' capture to trick Eternos out of high alert while he amasses a Council of Evil. He gathers Webstor and the three giants, frees Evilseed, and restores Count Marzo's Amulet. They capture the scattered Masters and imprison them in Snake Mountain.
    E26. Evilseed captures Mekaneck and forces He-Man to transform back into Adam. Count Marzo steals the Ram Stone from the Faceless One for Skeletor. Webstor takes Teela and the Sword of Power, causing it to fall down a deep chasm. The Snake Men free Evil-Lyn and the Evil Warriors in return for a favor. They leave for Grayskull while Adam defends it alone.
    E27. Skeletor defeats Adam and forces open the Jawbridge. Zodak and the Sorceress erect a mystic barrier that closes it. Orko returns Adam's sword. He-Man destroys the Ram Stone with it. Moss Man frees the Masters and brings them to Grayskull to save He-Man. Stratos and He-Man cast Marzo's Amulet away. The Elders transform him back into a feeble old man. Kobra Khan shows Evil-Lyn how Skeletor betrayed her.
    E28. Randor assembles the Eternian Council of world leaders in Eternos against the threat of Skeletor, whose Serpintaurs fail to stop them.
    E29. Teela is drawn to Pelleezeea. The natives mistake her for Teela Na. She helps save Pelleezeea from Skeletor's Bone Monsters. The Sorceress tells Duncan of her time there and Teela's conception.
    E30. Grayskull gives He-Man new anti-snake armor and weapons. Kobra Khan, Rattlor, and Evil-Lyn steal Zodak's staff and betray Skeletor to free King Hiss and his Snake Men. Snake Face petrifies the Evil Warriors. Skeletor is eaten by Hiss's magical floor snake. The Snake Men retake Snake Mountain, which grows two more snake heads.
    E31. Hiss nearly eats Evil-Lyn until he probes the secrets from her mind. They besiege Grayskull but are repelled by He-Man and the Masters. Hiss poisons the Sorceress, weakening her. He-Man petrifies Snake Face. Zodak throws Hiss down Grayskull's mote, thwarting the Snake Men's siege, who follow him down the mote. Snake Mountain's extra two heads crumble. Skeletor blasts out of its floor, depetrifies his Evil Warriors, and swears revenge on Evil-Lyn. Rattlor and Snake Face are imprisoned in Eternos.
    MVC E30-31. Similar to the original episodes, except: Snake Face petrifies Skeletor with his men. Evil-Lyn uses her crystal shard to syphon energy from Hiss. After his defeat, she unleashes it in a powerful blast that causes the Snake Men to fall down the mote. After He-Man petrifies Snake Face, all his victims are depetrified. Zodak kicks Snake Face down the mote as well.
    E32. Evil-Lyn fails to escape to the ruins of Zalesia. She asks her father to help her. Skeletor captures her and tries to sacrifice her to the Pool of Shadows for betraying him. The Faceless One sends He-Man to stop him. He saves Evil-Lyn, who reingratiates herself with Skeletor. The Snake Men retrieve the Tablet of the Elders from the Hall's ruins.
    E33. The elderly cyborg Sortech disables all Eternian technology, causing Queen Marlena to crash in the Corridors of Lithos. Marlena is surprised that Battle Cat led Randor to her cave; only Adam and Cringer were ever with her there before. They defeat Kobra Khan and Tung Lashor, who ambushed her. By repairing the Ergon, He-Man saves Sortech, who reenables Eternia's tech in gratitude.
    E34. Hiss uses the Tablet of the Elders to find the Serpent Ring. He turns the Qadians, Duncan, Teela, and Mekaneck into Snake Men with the Ring and the Ophidian Spire. He-Man casts the Ring and Spire into the Sun, changing them all back.
    E35. Hordak commands Skeletor to open a portal to Despondos at his temple to free him. The Sorceress reveals to Adam the final deeds of King Grayskull. Skeletor surprises He-Man by destroying Hordak's temple. Evil-Lyn secretly witnesses this.
    E36. Webstor consumes Ambrosia, spawning a spider army who do the same. Fisto shatters his fist saving the Masters from them. The Snake Men devour the spiders, becoming engorged by their Ambrosia, and Webstor likely met his end.
    E37. Duncan makes Fisto a new bionic arm, but still thinks he deserted in the Great Unrest. They accompany Randor, Adam, and Teela to continue peace talks in Subternia. The Snake Men briefly capture several Caligars and devour one. Rattlor escapes from prison and rejoins them. They retrieve the Medallion of Serpos from their Subternian Temple of Serpos. The warring Caligars and Speleans make peace in response, as do Fisto and Duncan.
    E38. Evil-Lyn restores Count Marzo and agrees to return his Amulet after he helps her summon Hordak, hoping he'll greatly reward her. He-Man thwarts them at the Well of Darkness by destroying it. Marzo takes back his Amulet and knocks out Evil-Lyn.
    MVC V3#1-6: Evil-Lyn is fatally Despondos poisoned by her failed attempt to summon Hordak. The Snake Men capture her and Skeletor and trade them to the Faceless One to save her in return for him again unlocking the Amulet of Serpos. He convinces He-Man to free Skeletor and Skeletor to cure Evil-Lyn and take her back despite her treachery.
    E39. King Hiss turns Snake Mountain into Serpos with the Medallion, forcing the Evil Warriors to evacuate. He-Man and the Elders turn it back into the three-headed Snake Mountain. Hiss is defeated by Zodak and imprisoned with Snake Face in Eternos.
    MVC V3#8: The Oracle of Zalesia tells Orko he'll return to Trolla someday and helps him find his lost wand, turning him back into Orko the Great.
    E40. Skeletor and his Evil Warriors return to Snake Mountain. Hiss and Snake Face are freed and restored. With the last shard of the Ophidian Spire, Hiss turns Man-At-Arms back into a Snake Man to serve as his war engineer.

    Eternia, Future:
    Season 2: Clamp Champ joins the Masters. [briefly taking over for Man-At-Arms?]
    Season 2: 3-5 episodes after becoming a Snake Man, Duncan is restored.
    Season 2: Tri-Klops increases Clawful's intelligence so much that he almost overthrows Skeletor.
    Unknown: Dekker, Sortech, and Clawful's cousin would've made reappearances.
    Season 2: Skeletor has a jaw-dropping fight with King Hiss.
    Season 2: The Snake Men are no longer a major threat by the end of the season.
    Season 2: Teela Na was getting weaker and dying, so Teela fulfills her destiny by succeeding her mother as Sorceress of Castle Grayskull.
    Season 2 Finale: Tri-Klops and Skeletor find the He-Man robot Faker and use him to turn Eternia against He-Man. Evil-Lyn and Skeletor take over Eternia and banish Randor to Despondos. Evil-Lyn succeeds in freeing Hordak and his Horde army from Despondos.
    Season 3: He-Man and the Masters are exiled from the palace and become renegades when Hordak returns and takes over Eternia. Everyone else in Eternia cowers under the Horde's control.
    Season 3: He-Man gets new anti-Horde armor.
    Season 3: Hordak recruits Prahvus to the Horde.
    Season 3: He-Man travels to Despondos to find his father.
    Season 3: He-Man rescues Randor, who starts to realize he's Adam.
    Season 3: 200X She-Ra would've been introduced with the same origins as the original, the alter-ego of Adam's long-lost sister Adora, except it would've been revealed that Marlena was a reformed Gar spy, making She-Ra half-Gar with whitish-blue skin and slightly pointed ears.
    Season 3: Randor dies? If so, he tells He-Man he knows he's his son.
    Season 3 Finale: Skeletor returns and defeats Hordak, becoming the primary antagonist again.
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    Terrific work here combining info!

    I think you can split Preternia in two parts.
    Zodak and Zeelahr dealing Snake Men is more like within 100 years history. Not thounds of years as King Grayskull. ��

    Also I recall Shakarran Shard story was hinting that it was Khan who got the remaining piece(s). So that storyarc would go after ep21 but before ep30.

    Also the Keldor helping Hiss and Faceless One should be preternian times, not recent history.

    Also Fisto as Teela’s dad was said to be a red herring during after talk at Power-Con panels from 200x guys. And Dean Stefan has stated in podcast interview that they had not set anything in stone that Fisto definitely was Teela’s dad. So maybe those events could be phrased as not defining moments. ��
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    Wow, Mirrorman95, that was an impressive amount of work. Great job!

    I really, really liked the 200X story line. I wish it would have continued. I'd like to know more about the end of season 2 and all of season 3. I guess I could dig through these boards.
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    Where is that info about Keldor timetraveling to the past and bringing Evil-Lyn with him to the present from?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jukka View Post
    Terrific work here combining info!

    I think you can split Preternia in two parts.
    Zodak and Zeelahr dealing Snake Men is more like within 100 years history. Not thousands of years as King Grayskull. ��

    Also I recall Shakarran Shard story was hinting that it was Khan who got the remaining piece(s). So that story arc would go after ep21 but before ep30.

    Also the Keldor helping Hiss and Faceless One should be preternian times, not recent history.

    Also Fisto as Teela’s dad was said to be a red herring during after talk at Power-Con panels from 200x guys. And Dean Stefan has stated in podcast interview that they had not set anything in stone that Fisto definitely was Teela’s dad. So maybe those events could be phrased as not defining moments. ��
    Thank you.
    Preternia is the shortest of the three sections, so splitting it into two parts doesn't seem right until/unless a lot more facts/events are added to it.
    It was not explicitly stated that Zodak first fought Hiss after Preternia, and the MotUC Timeline topic states that the Classics version of those events did take place back then, so I'll leave it as-is.
    I'm not sure if I'll add MVCreations V1, because other than the Shakarran Crystal being the half of the Unnamed One that isn't Horde Prime, it had little continuity with the other comics and especially the show. Maybe I'll add something about it later on.
    With Keldor helping Hiss and Powers, I basically added it to the timeline in two places: once in Preternia to denote actual chronology, and again just before the Great Unrest to denote the sequence of events of his personal timeline.
    Ian Richter said Fisto was Teela's birth father in an interview, and given that the episodes that were produced hinted at that, I tend to agree with him. If they make more Millennium episodes or comics that retcon that, I'll change it, but I doubt that will happen.

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    Where is that info about Keldor timetraveling to the past and bringing Evil-Lyn with him to the present from?
    MVCreations Comics V3 Issue 5 and the series bible for MVCreations' cancelled prequel series, seen at https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B0rb...JlZGFHMGc/edit
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    Ian Richter said Fisto was Teela's birth father in an interview, and given that the episodes that were produced hinted at that, I tend to agree with him.
    Do you have a link to this interview?
    Would love to read it.

    Because there were three majoring voices, Dean, Ian and Gary. All had some say in things and hence why many elements in the story don't hold up. Otherwise you could add just as well that Marlena *definitely* was a Gar in disguise the whole time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jukka View Post
    Do you have a link to this interview?
    Would love to read it.

    Because there were three majoring voices, Dean, Ian and Gary. All had some say in things and hence why many elements in the story don't hold up. Otherwise you could add just as well that Marlena *definitely* was a Gar in disguise the whole time.
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    He says Fisto ”could be” there. And later during a discussion after panel at Power-Con, they said Fisto was a red herring.

    That’s one of the things they sadly never set in stone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jukka View Post
    He says Fisto ”could be” there. And later during a discussion after panel at Power-Con, they said Fisto was a red herring.

    That’s one of the things they sadly never set in stone.
    He also said:
    Quote Originally Posted by JVS3 View Post
    96. Teela's father. There were implications that both Fisto, and Man-At-Arms may be her true father. Could you please tell us who, if either were going to be her father.

    IR: Fisto.
    But I guess you might be right. We'll never really know for sure what they would have done, because the show is dead now, and so are Larry DiTillio, Dean Stefan, and Gabe Khouth, which is truly a loss. But I'd rather leave my description as-is than introduce further ambiguity by saying "nameless soldier who may or may not be Fisto". If you disagree with it, you can feel free to make your own version of the 200X timeline phrased however you want.
    By the way, I've added a few more future plot points from the interview to the timeline.
    Also, if you have links to any video or audio or transcripts of these discussion panels, I'll try to look/listen to them and add the relevant information to the timeline.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirrorman95 View Post
    But I guess you might be right. We'll never really know for sure what they would have done, because the show is dead now

    By the way, I've added a few more future plot points from the interview to the timeline.
    Also, if you have links to any video or audio or transcripts of these discussion panels, I'll try to look/listen to them and add the relevant information to the timeline.

    Many things were left in air. Which is why if you include something, my point is you have to be sure of it. But some of these things are not sure as we've witnessed over the years.
    Just like She-Ra. Ian said he'd like to bring her in with the story we all know.Nothing set in stone there either. But its fan conjecture hearing that Horde were coming to season 3 that they think She-Ra was gonna be in season 3 too. Nowhere has anyone said that. But the info persists.
    There was the rumor of Adora being a cousin. And Gary has said other plans. But he also reiterates that if it wasn't on the show, it didn't happen.

    Also the MOTUC bios are not related to 200x canon. Zodak and other aspects like Teela being a clone are in dire contradiction. Also in 200x there is NO ”EVELYN MORGAN POWERS” because that name was invented years later. I remember there was someone on youtube who also tried to insist that in 2002 Evil-Lyn cartoon origin her name was Evelyn Morgan Powers but that’s Complete lie. Plus there was the whole debacle about "Hordak followed He-Ro to Eternia" thing that was quickly debunked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jukka View Post
    Many things were left in air. Which is why if you include something, my point is you have to be sure of it. But some of these things are not sure as we've witnessed over the years.
    Just like She-Ra. Ian said he'd like to bring her in with the story we all know.Nothing set in stone there either. But its fan conjecture hearing that Horde were coming to season 3 that they think She-Ra was gonna be in season 3 too. Nowhere has anyone said that. But the info persists.
    There was the rumor of Adora being a cousin. And Gary has said other plans. But he also reiterates that if it wasn't on the show, it didn't happen.

    Also the MOTUC bios are not related to 200x canon. Zodak and other aspects are in dire contradiction. Plus there was the whole debacle about "Hordak followed He-Ro to Eternia" thing that was quickly debunked.
    Alright, I added info from the Gary Hartle interview, including the stuff about She-Ra, which I changed to the conditional perfect tense to help signify how hypothetical it was. I also edited my entry on Clamp Champ, who was scheduled to be the next introduced character, but I can't find any official sources that would confirm his taking over for Man-At-Arms.
    And if I didn't include things because I'm wasn't sure of them, I'd have to take the whole Future section out, because there were no episodes scripted beyond #40, so theoretically anything could've happened had it continued.
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    In my opinion, Gary Hartle is not a very reliable narrator. A lot of the most off-the-wall ideas that most certainly would never have been approved are things he has suggested in interviews. Even things he has stated definitively like the individual fighting styles of the characters were later contradicted by other people who worked directly on the show who stated that no such conversations took place. A lot of his statements seem to be head canon things he kicked around in his own mind, but never ran past anyone, particularly Dean Stefan and Ian Richter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam_Prince of Eternia View Post
    In my opinion, Gary Hartle is not a very reliable narrator. A lot of the most off-the-wall ideas that most certainly would never have been approved are things he has suggested in interviews. Even things he has stated definitively like the individual fighting styles of the characters were later contradicted by other people who worked directly on the show who stated that no such conversations took place. A lot of his statements seem to be head canon things he kicked around in his own mind, but never ran past anyone, particularly Dean Stefan and Ian Richter.
    Thanks for informing me of this. I wish I had some way to discern which planned plot developments were agreed upon by most of the writing team and which were not. But I don't, and I know so little about what any of them wanted to do for the unproduced seasons that I just take what I can get from their interviews and put it in.
    But I've been careful not to add MVCreations' unproduced plot points about Adora, He-Ro, Despondos, Infinitia, and Etheria, because they were only involved in writing the comics. (The points related to comics they did produce seemed to need including, though.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam_Prince of Eternia View Post
    In my opinion, Gary Hartle is not a very reliable narrator. A lot of the most off-the-wall ideas that most certainly would never have been approved are things he has suggested in interviews. Even things he has stated definitively like the individual fighting styles of the characters were later contradicted by other people who worked directly on the show who stated that no such conversations took place. A lot of his statements seem to be head canon things he kicked around in his own mind, but never ran past anyone, particularly Dean Stefan and Ian Richter.
    Well that might also be due to what Lynell Forestall said in my interview with him.

    I started out as a Storyboard Artist on that show, but to be real honest, I wasn't gonna last...Jay Oliva was our Storyboard Supervisor...okay really he was our series director, and Hartle was Supervising Producer...don't know why they didn't give them those titles.

    But the main trio, as evident on DVD commentaries and Power-Con panels was Richter-Stefan-Hartle. And based on interviews, for things that we didn't get completely confirmed in episodes. It was all up in air with three guys having different approaches (that they've admitted). I personally feel on some cases they saw how fans reacted, and years and years later said things also differently. Or it could be just human memory playing tricks. These things happen and its okay.

    Which is why its so crucial to pay attention to the source and context.
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    I've been reviewing the interviews, and apparently both Ian and Gary have said that Snake Man-At-Arms's transformation wouldn't've been permanent. Ian even said it wouldn't've lasted more than 5 episodes, tops. So I added that in. But now I'm low on post-series 2KX interviews I've yet to review, except for a podcast Dean did in 2010 that only exists as a 2-hour mp3, which I'm not sure would even add anything new anyway.
    [And I took out the "Morgan" in Evelyn's name since, as Jukka said, that was only a Classics thing. But she's Evelyn Powers in her origin stories in at least two official continuities, even though they're not 2KX ones, so I left that in. I also took out TFO's first name Nikolas, since that was also a Classics-specific name, but left Powers as his surname because it's the only official original name he's ever been given, and Evelyn's surname implies his. Maybe I'll replace all my references to him as "Powers" to "the Lord" later on, even though it's a little vague.]
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