WRAPTOR .ORG Development Thread

[Patreek]

OK here are the results of the polling:

SnakeByte - Cybernetically enhanced Snakeman 7 33.33%
Wraptor - Evil mummified Snakeman 9 42.86%
Doplor/Skinsss - Evil Snakemen of identity theft. 5 23.81%

SO Wraptor is our winner, and will be the first character that we try this out on.

Just so everyone knows whats going on here it is:
Over the next several weeks we will be developing the character WRAPTOR as a community. We can all give our input and help fully form the character, talking about everything from his BIO, to colors, to weapons - everything. These ideas can be offered up verbally or through submitting sketches. After all details have been discussed an official development thread artist will create a final rendering of Wraptor. This is a very skilled artist that you all know and love and they will be reveiled soon. Also several artists have expressed interest in offering up their own final versions of the character at the end... so this promises to be quite fun. IF all goes well we will continue doing this with other characters.

So there it is gang. Let the discussion begin. What are the strong points of Wraptor, what are his weaknesses, lets figure him out.

Below are images of wraptor so far:

Wraptor - Evil Mummified Snakeman. This guy works for Fear-O and was turned into his mummified form by PATRA who defeated and imprisoned him for years with her magic. He was later raised along with Fear-O by Hordak.

By 2-bad

By Patreek

[Ionus]

I really like the idea that his bandages can attack someone and wrap them up. I think it would be cool if they could "zombify them" once they are totally wraped up and turn them into "pets"

[super-munkyboy]

This is by no means meant to sound patronising, but you've improved so much in the short time that you've been here Patreek. The painted version of Wraptor is very cool indeed. If it helps, look a little more at some Eygptian armour, and decoration.

[Patreek]

Thanks a lot Monkeyboy, that means a lot coming from you.

I agree I think adding more egyptian elements would help. This brings up another question that would be good to have discussed... other then the belt and chest plate neck thing where would be good to put more armor and what kind... should he have guantlets, boots, shoulder armor? Is some of that too busy? I want to hightlight his bandages a lot in the design.... .What do you you all think?

[super-munkyboy]

Thanks a lot Monkeyboy, that means a lot coming from you.

I agree I think adding more egyptian elements would help. This brings up another question that would be good to have discussed... other then the belt and chest plate neck thing where would be good to put more armor and what kind... should he have guantlets, boots, shoulder armor? Is some of that too busy? I want to hightlight his bandages a lot in the design.... .What do you you all think?

Keep it simple, the best designs usually are. Hmmm I see his bandages reaching out more from his arms than anywhere, so keep them bear, but his legs should be protected. Keep his chest bear apart from the his bandages obviously, but also have maybe some Egyptian jewelery. Have some rotting lfesh poking through, but keep the feet bear. Is any of this actually making sense, cos to me its just a stream of conciousnous.

[Patreek]

Yea that all makes sense to me, what do you think about shoulder gaurds though? should he have some or not? Also should he just have horde symbols or is ok for him to have horde and snakeman? I incorporated both into my design and I kind of like it....speaking of which, can't wait to see your version of wraptor Monkey. Gadgette was amazing.

[super-munkyboy]

Yea that all makes sense to me, what do you think about shoulder gaurds though? should he have some or not? Also should he just have horde symbols or is ok for him to have horde and snakeman? I incorporated both into my design and I kind of like it....speaking of which, can't wait to see your version of wraptor Monkey. Gadgette was amazing.

You're asking the wrong person if shoulder guards are ok, mate. They've been on most of my Horde chibis, so far, so I'm a little biased

Personally I think he should just have a Horde Symbol on him, unless you make him Fear-O's counterpart in the Snakemen, eternally forced to battle in the unlife. Actually that could be quite cool.

[Patreek]

What are peoples ideas for weapons for this guy?

[BlueLobster1979]

Personally I think he should just have a Horde Symbol on him, unless you make him Fear-O's counterpart in the Snakemen, eternally forced to battle in the unlife. Actually that could be quite cool.

I like that idea a lot... maybe Fear-o and Wraptor in life were nemeses and when the immortal Fear-o was mummified, Wraptor followed suit to pursue him into the afterlife, then when Fear-o was revived as the undead, he returned as well. As far as weapons, I think in his current state he should mainly use the bandages on him as bindings to constrict his enemies. In his original life, perhaps whips or chains of some kind, so that we see were he developed the skills with his bandages. The real question would then be what is the origin of this rivalry in the pre-historic deserts of Eternia? Maybe they were battling over the same land or same artifact of power? Maybe as a snakeman in a land overwhelmingly populated by humans he is immune to Fear-o's terror inflicting powers, and as that exception has dedicated himself to defeated this cruel despot no matter what the cost... What does everyone else think?

[Ionus]

hmmmm I really like the idea of them being rivals as well in their former lives and that wraptor follows him into the afterlife. The only thing is that I REALLY like wraptor being part of the Horde, and FearO is part of the horde which seems like a clash, though I'm sure there is a way around that. Any ideas, I havn't thought of one yet.

[Galvatron]

I dont know if you like this but i gave it a small thought and come with this:

That maybe wraptor is traitor like cobra khan he want the place of fear-o and first he is horde member but after some fails he decide to contact with king-hiss to send some help so in order for hiss to help him he want some favors from him and probably wraptor works as a spy for hiss in order to learn some secrets of hordak in order to defeat him.

[Patreek]

I also am liking the rival idea for the back story... maybe when hordak brings FearO back and then FearO tells him about Wraptor also following him and they devise a plan to put some sort of mind control device on him before they raise him?

Do people have any other thoughts on his powers and weapons?

[Ionus]

I think keeping the arms bare is a good idea and to have shingaurds with bare feet. I really like the loin cloth that 2bads picture has, it seems more Egyptian. I really like the necklace amulet thing with the horde wings that you have in yours though Patreek.

Reading through Super Monkey Boy's thread of the tung lasher and rattler chibi's I think it would totally fit that they are enemies but then fearo is raised first and together with hordak use the box technology to control Wraptor, just like the other snakemen.

POWERS: Well obviously the snake wraps. I like the idea of an enemy being all tangled and wraped up by his snake wraps and then being mummified by them only to then become zombie like minions of his until they are freed. I think thats a big enough power that you don't need anything else.

WEAPONS: I do think he should have SOME sort of weapon... it wouldn't be a Masters guy otherwise. I don't know what though..... ANyone else have an idea?

[Patreek]

Ok well here is my attempt at putting leg gaurds on him... let me know what you think. He's in chibish form so that I could draw him fast.

[Sky Breaker]

I was thinking... how about instead of being a snakeman who is wrapped in bandages that are actually snakes...

Wraptor could be entirely composed of snakes, held together by bandage to resemble a human form. His head could be nothing more than a golden mask, a headdress that only appears to be an actual head. I was thinking something very ornate, jeweled and open-mouthed. Like King Hiss he is deceptive in appearance, unlike King Hiss, Wraptor can detach parts of his form to fight as a group of individual snakes, trapping and constricting several foes at once. This could lead to some nifty, if not gross interactions...

Or a skeletal being whose flesh is composed entirely of albino snakes, creating the illusion of wrappings. His method of attack would be similar to the Wraptor version above.

If you decided on being purely snakes, concealed by wrappings, I'd make them constrictors, and have him a mammoth size, comparable to Tung Lashor. If he is composed of snakes wrapped around a skeleton, I'd make him more like Kahn, of small stature, and the snakes would be very slender, appearing to be cloth wrappings and extremely venomous. Infact their venom could have a drying decay like effect. Instead of poisoning their victims, it slowly saps them of their moisture, leaving them dry and barren like the desert.

[Ionus]

Wow those are some really cool ideas funkypunkyboy. I think I like the idea of him being skeletal with snakes as bandages better. Maybe not a complete skeleton but with more bone showing and flesh hanging off him, like 2-bads version but more extreme. And then the snakes when they aren't leaching out really do look like old bandages but when they are leaching they realy are snakes... not just bandages that look snakelike like in your last two pictures.

I think the idea of having a snakeman thats totally composed of snakes is a really cool idea though just not for wraptor... he should be a completely other guy...maybe you'll have to add him to your list Patreek ;-) He could be called Den-O-Vipers. lol... ok maybe something else, i'm not good at names.

[super-munkyboy]

I think the idea of having a snakeman thats totally composed of snakes is a really cool idea though just not for wraptor... he should be a completely other guy...maybe you'll have to add him to your list Patreek ;-) He could be called Den-O-Vipers. lol... ok maybe something else, i'm not good at names.

I could be wrong, but isn't that what Doplor was comprised of? I do like the idea of a more skeletal Snakeman That would be very very cool. I had a thought at work though. Judging by Hss's design, he is very Eygptian, so maybe Wraptor was his predecessor from an earlier time. He can still battle Fear-O as his Horde Nemesis, but he looks down and is very disappointed in Hss for not taking over Eternia, or keeping control for that matter. There is just so much history to be created. A version of Wraptor before and after Mummification. If I wasn't so swamped, ya know I would do it

[BlueLobster1979]

I could be wrong, but isn't that what Doplor was comprised of? I do like the idea of a more skeletal Snakeman That would be very very cool. I had a thought at work though. Judging by Hss's design, he is very Eygptian, so maybe Wraptor was his predecessor from an earlier time. He can still battle Fear-O as his Horde Nemesis, but he looks down and is very disappointed in Hss for not taking over Eternia, or keeping control for that matter. There is just so much history to be created. A version of Wraptor before and after Mummification. If I wasn't so swamped, ya know I would do it

I think we did kind of come up with Dopplor (or as I kind of like to call him "Snakeskin") as having a layer of snakes as his skin, but I like the idea of him being skeletal with snakes filling in his whole outer being even better.

I like Wraptor as a predecessor of King Hsss as well, and maybe his absence during his mummification and subsequent entombment created the power vacuum that allowed Hsss to rise to power in the first place.

[Patreek]

I could be wrong, but isn't that what Doplor was comprised of? I do like the idea of a more skeletal Snakeman That would be very very cool. I had a thought at work though. Judging by Hss's design, he is very Eygptian, so maybe Wraptor was his predecessor from an earlier time. He can still battle Fear-O as his Horde Nemesis, but he looks down and is very disappointed in Hss for not taking over Eternia, or keeping control for that matter. There is just so much history to be created. A version of Wraptor before and after Mummification. If I wasn't so swamped, ya know I would do it

Doplor, or SKinsss as I've been calling him more recently isn't made up of snakes, he's...
well basically his power is that if he touches you he can look like you for a certain amount of time until he has to shed his skin... while he looks like you he has your powers too... Well over his life he has beaten quite a few enemies and the greatest of these enemies whose power Skinsss MOST envies he has skined them taken their skin and sewed it to his body so he's made up of a patchwork of skin from different people... this way he can look like them whenever and keep their powers... thus HE-mans hide is his ultimate wish. If you look at my pictures of skinns this explaination and that picture will make more sense.

I REALLY like your idea about him being displeased with king hiss and such.... great stuff!

I think we did kind of come up with Dopplor (or as I kind of like to call him "Snakeskin") as having a layer of snakes as his skin, but I like the idea of him being skeletal with snakes filling in his whole outer being even better.

I like Wraptor as a predecessor of King Hsss as well, and maybe his absence during his mummification and subsequent entombment created the power vacuum that allowed Hsss to rise to power in the first place.

As explained above skins is made up of other beings flesh that he's stitched on... thus the idea of a NEW character made up of snakes is a valid one... ideas for a name anyone? Ionus you come up with one yet? lol ;-)

EDIT****
Actually Snakeskin could work for this new guy that has sort of emerged here... Skinss works for the Doplor guy because he skins other beings etc. and looks like different people thus various skins, but snakeskin works for a guy that is actually made up of snakes...

[Sky Breaker]

Personally, I think Ssskin would work as a better name for Skinsss. Just a thought!

[Patreek]

Yea I like that name too... the reason I ultimatly liked Skinsss though was because the character actually SKINS he's defeated heros.

Anyway, we can talk more about this when Skinsss/Doplor/Ssskin arrive in a thread.... back to Wraptor ;-)

Any weapon ideas? More back story stuff? What about colors.... what colors should he be?

[2-bad]

I kinda agree with fpb here. I kinda had the idea of Wraptor actually being wraped with snakes rather than bandages which spring into actions even during the slightest bit of offense Wraptors opponents show. If i have the time, I'll do up a quick sketch & improve on my previous design of him.

As for the story arch I prefer him being Fear-O's rival rather then his accomplice. For some strange reason I've never gulped down the fact the the Snakemen work for the Horde. But thats just me.

I think he should carry a double snake faced scepter. I mean snakes throwing magic from both ends. But i feel this would be optional as the character him self has some pretty good offense.

As for the pics, Patreek, I agree with smb. I've never seen anyone improve so much in a such a short span of time. Love the colored pics, but I think he would look better with a more grayish tone added to him rather than bright green as he has to show some signs of decay.

Also how creepy would it be if he could speak without moving his mouth? Just keep a static frightful expression.That alone would be quite an intimidating factor.

[super-munkyboy]

I kinda agree with fpb here. I kinda had the idea of Wraptor actually being wraped with snakes rather than bandages which spring into actions even during the slightest bit of offense Wraptors opponents show.

I'm with you on this 2-Bad. Now if they were Albino snakes, that would work as well. They would look lik bandages from afar, then SNAKE STRIKE!!!!!

As for the story arch I prefer him being Fear-O's rival rather then his accomplice. For some strange reason I've never gulped down the fact the the Snakemen work for the Horde. But thats just me.

I prefer it as well and not because I suggested it. I think that you've got such a wealth of Eyptian style characters on the go, a whole new mythos could be created. Hsss could be Wraptor's apprentice, showing the birth of his human guise as a means to blend in with the humans, whereas Wraptor sticks to his snake form. I agree the snakemen can't work for anyone but themselves. They are far too fanatical and loyal to their leaders. As tenuous as it is, Repta only works in my Horde or he'll be "converted".

I think he should carry a double snake faced scepter. I mean snakes throwing magic from both ends. But i feel this would be optional as the character him self has some pretty good offense.

Oh yeah definitely and maybe a ceremonial blade as part of it.

Also how creepy would it be if he could speak without moving his mouth? Just keep a static frightful expression.That alone would be quite an intimidating factor.

Heh, well lets raise the stakes on that. How about removing the lower jaw, he's undead right, and that would be creepy, with his tongue lolling.....

[bootleg]

first of all--i really dig that wraptor chibi, Patreek!

ok... here are some of my thoughts on wraptor:

bandages: i'm not a fan of wraptor being wrapped in albino snakes, personally. i prefer bandages that magically animate like snakes. the wrapped-in-snakes bit does not (in my mind) stay visually true to the mummy concept, but that's just one nerd's opinion.

symbol: if he works for the horde, he should NOT have snakeman symbols on him. hordak would neverrr allow that. but how about this--a faded snakeman symbol tattooed on his shoulder, partially covered by bandages?

armor: i think what you have on the chibi version is good--the details just need to be worked out. i don't think he needs gauntlets or bracers because i imagine his arms would be the main anchor point for his bandages when he fights--forearm armor would kind of obstruct that.

weapon: i think he should carry the sceptre as 2-bad suggested, and also a khopesh--it's an egyptian weapon. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khopesh (google khopesh for some better images)

coloration: i really dig Patreek's color renderings of wraptor so far, but i think that green is too vibrant for this character. i'd suggest a dull and faded green to build on the idea of wraptor as a corpse-like being.

just my initial thoughts, folks. if i'm crazy, tell me!

[Patreek]

I'm with you on this 2-Bad. Now if they were Albino snakes, that would work as well. They would look like bandages from afar, then SNAKE STRIKE!!!!!

I really like the idea of them actually being snakes and not just leaching out "like" snakes. I do prefer them looking like bandages though until they leach out....

I prefer it as well and not because I suggested it. I think that you've got such a wealth of Eyptian style characters on the go, a whole new mythos could be created. Hsss could be Wraptor's apprentice, showing the birth of his human guise as a means to blend in with the humans, whereas Wraptor sticks to his snake form. I agree the snakemen can't work for anyone but themselves. They are far too fanatical and loyal to their leaders. As tenuous as it is, Repta only works in my Horde or he'll be "converted".

Yea I'm really getting into this rival things, the specifics will have to be worked out but I agree he shouldn't be working for FearO anymore but a rival with him. How do we work him into the HOrde though? Maybe he is raised first and pretends to work with hordak in order to get his help at finding and raising FEARO, he then plans to finish off fearo once and for all but hordak double crosses him realising fearos fear inducing power could be an asset.
Do we like that? any other ideas?

Oh yeah definitely and maybe a ceremonial blade as part of it.

MMM Yea I'm liking the ceremonial blade idea a lot!!! Got any pictures of one that you think would be a good model?

Heh, well lets raise the stakes on that. How about removing the lower jaw, he's undead right, and that would be creepy, with his tongue lolling.....

NOt too sure about the jaw things... but you ARE a genious though so I guess ii'll wait to see your rendition of him to see how it works ;-) By the way, very much looking forward to that.

first of all--i really dig that wraptor chibi, Patreek!

Thanks... its my first try at a chibi, well I guess thats a lie I did that spyfly one but that was more of a doodle for fun... I had fun drawing him though.

ok... here are some of my thoughts on wraptor:

bandages: i'm not a fan of wraptor being wrapped in albino snakes, personally. i prefer bandages that magically animate like snakes. the wrapped-in-snakes bit does not (in my mind) stay visually true to the mummy concept, but that's just one nerd's opinion.

I agree... though I don't mind the leaching out bandages actually looking like they are real snakes... but I don't really want him to look like the bandages wrapped around him are snakes... I'm going to try to draw just a detailed length of "bandage" tomorrow to show what i am thinking about it. Its hard to articulate.

symbol: if he works for the horde, he should NOT have snakeman symbols on him. hordak would neverrr allow that. but how about this--a faded snakeman symbol tattooed on his shoulder, partially covered by bandages?

The only reason I thought he could maybe get away with the snakemen sybols is because they look and fit in well with the egyptian thing. It might just be that I've gotten really attached to the necklace thing I gave him... hee hee.

armor: i think what you have on the chibi version is good--the details just need to be worked out. i don't think he needs gauntlets or bracers because i imagine his arms would be the main anchor point for his bandages when he fights--forearm armor would kind of obstruct that.

Yea I've been going back and forth on that but I think I'm finally pretty sure I like his arms being bare... I dont' think he should have stuff over his feet either, though I do like those braclet things that are on the feet of 2-bad's drawing

weapon: i think he should carry the sceptre as 2-bad suggested, and also a khopesh--it's an egyptian weapon. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khopesh (google khopesh for some better images)

just checked it out! Thats really cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!... kinda confused as to where the blade is exactly but I'm really liking it. Do you know where I could find some more pics?

coloration: i really dig Patreek's color renderings of wraptor so far, but i think that green is too vibrant for this character. i'd suggest a dull and faded green to build on the idea of wraptor as a corpse-like being.

just my initial thoughts, folks. if i'm crazy, tell me!

Yea I agree his skin is too GREEN!!! lol Thanks for all the great ideas and keep them coming!

I kinda agree with fpb here. I kinda had the idea of Wraptor actually being wraped with snakes rather than bandages which spring into actions even during the slightest bit of offense Wraptors opponents show. If i have the time, I'll do up a quick sketch & improve on my previous design of him.

OOOo I can't wait to see what you come up with! What do you think about the horde AND snakemen symbols being on him... i like it a lot, some don't.

As for the story arch I prefer him being Fear-O's rival rather then his accomplice. For some strange reason I've never gulped down the fact the the Snakemen work for the Horde. But thats just me.

I'm totally sold on this idea. Its much better then my original I think as it fleshes him out more... him being a henchmen makes him a lot more generic, this really adds a whole new flavour and potential for stories. What do you think about how to deal with the horde part with this though?

I think he should carry a double snake faced scepter. I mean snakes throwing magic from both ends. But i feel this would be optional as the character him self has some pretty good offense.

I agree he is already pretty offensively apt, however I think he should have some sort of weapon. I'm really liking the Khopesh, and i can see it being in the form of a snake with a head at each end, just its shape already kind of implies it. Would love to see your idea of it in the new pic ;-)

As for the pics, Patreek, I agree with smb. I've never seen anyone improve so much in a such a short span of time. Love the colored pics, but I think he would look better with a more grayish tone added to him rather than bright green as he has to show some signs of decay.

Thanks 2-bad, you really don't know what it means to get that kind of feedback from artists on here that I really admire. I agree about the skin color.

Also how creepy would it be if he could speak without moving his mouth? Just keep a static frightful expression.That alone would be quite an intimidating factor.

Agreed, very creepy!!