Draw and Color Your Conceptual Art Ideas for the New MOTU Film

Originally Posted by Darth Latveria

The Sorceress is a minor character.

I'd have to disagree with that. I think that she's a very key supporting cast character.

The last movie's flopping had next to nothng to do with her. There was plenty done wrong in the last movie, including the Sorceress (I didn't like the look either) but there was no one who walked out saying, "man that would've been good if the sorceress was done right" or "i would'a watched MOTU, but they totally screwed up hte sorceress".

Getting the Sorceress wrong won't kill a MotU movie in and of itself, but if you get her wrong it brings you that much closer to killing the movie.

I would say, for example, that if you get the Sorceress, and two other characters of equal stature (say, Man-At-Arms and Evil-Lyn) wrong, then the movie will flop unless He-Man and Skeletor are flat-out awesome and spectacular.

I expect that she will be completely redone.

Man, that scares me, because the Sorceress is a hard character to get right. I'd honestly take Egyptian Sorceress over a re-imagining of the character that could easily go badly.

Originally Posted by Mirage

I can't see Mattel wanting to revisit MYP again.


If anything, it'll be a variation of Filmation Sorceress -- the one that was a hit.

Just because something isn't a hit doesn't mean it's not good, and just because it IS a hit doesn't mean it IS good.

Britney Spears has released many "hits"... and they aren't good!

Originally Posted by Flor2099

Just because something isn't a hit doesn't mean it's not good, and just because it IS a hit doesn't mean it IS good.

That may be true, but still... if something isn't a hit even if it's good in general, then there has to be something about it that limited its success or "held it back" as it were. There has to be a key flaw or two to it that needs to be addressed.

If you're going to promote a largely MYP-esque He-Man movie, then I would encourage you to grapple with what that flaw may be, and see how we can fix it.

Originally Posted by Canadian_He-Man

If you're going to promote a largely MYP-esque He-Man movie, then I would encourage you to grapple with what that flaw may be, and see how we can fix it.

I totally agree with you.

So... better case ratios. Maybe not even ratios since some characters are likely not to be as popular, but enough so that everyone who wants a figure can get it.

Less stupid variants.

And there we have it, a fixed MYP!

Originally Posted by Darth Latveria

I totally agree with you.

So... better case ratios. Maybe not even ratios since some characters are likely not to be as popular, but enough so that everyone who wants a figure can get it.

Less stupid variants.

And there we have it, a fixed MYP!

You know... MYP He-Man was suffering ratings wise as well. It wasn't just the toys.

MYP He-Man had freakin' Teen Titans as a lead-in, but it was failing to keep a large enough chunk of those viewers. All MYP He-Man had to do was persuade Teen Titans watchers to spend one more half-hour of cartoon watching on its show. That alone would have made it a ratings success.

On Saturdays.

In a pretty good time slot.

The actual cartoon had its failings, period.

Kids today have a shorter attention span...

the problem with the MYP cartoon was that they didn't FINISH the explanation of who He-Man is in the cartoon opening... Adam STARTS to tell the story, and then is interrupted by Skeletor's goons...

If you hadn't seen "In the Beginning," you would be like, "HUH? Why does this kid turn into this muscle guy??" Who is Skeletor? What exactly does he want? They never made anything clear enough...

try it, go to a mid-season episode, and pretend you know NOTHING about MOTU. Watch from the opening, and see how confusing it gets.

Kids didn't know the set-up so they changed the channel.

Originally Posted by bcrduke

Kids today have a shorter attention span...

the problem with the MYP cartoon was that they didn't FINISH the explanation of who He-Man is in the cartoon opening... Adam STARTS to tell the story, and then is interrupted by Skeletor's goons...

If you hadn't seen "In the Beginning," you would be like, "HUH? Why does this kid turn into this muscle guy??" Who is Skeletor? What exactly does he want? They never made anything clear enough...

try it, go to a mid-season episode, and pretend you know NOTHING about MOTU. Watch from the opening, and see how confusing it gets.

Kids didn't know the set-up so they changed the channel.

You know... that is a different angle on things, and you could very well be right. I might give your suggestion a try.

Maybe they simply should have let Adam finish his line, become He-Man, and say "...defend Castle Grayskull from the evil forces of Skeletor."

You know... like what Filmation did.

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

Originally Posted by Canadian_He-Man

You know... MYP He-Man was suffering ratings wise as well. It wasn't just the toys.

MYP He-Man had freakin' Teen Titans as a lead-in, but it was failing to keep a large enough chunk of those viewers. All MYP He-Man had to do was persuade Teen Titans watchers to spend one more half-hour of cartoon watching on its show. That alone would have made it a ratings success.

On Saturdays.

In a pretty good time slot.

The actual cartoon had its failings, period.

Edit: I dont know about where you live, but where I lived the show had its timeslot changed every couple of weeks.

Sure it did. It wasn't perfect. But if it was perfect, it would've been cancelled because of poor planning by Mattel with regards to their toyline. MYP ended because Mattel drove MOTU into the ground. Here are stats related to the toys. Note how many variants there are in the 200x release, as well as the number of unique characters. Also note that case-packing tends to be very He-Man/Skeletor heavy, thus many secondary characters are hard to get. Furthermore, please remember that apparently in the past stores were able to order cases of specific characters *this was mentioned in another thread in the classic forum*, so 80's figure assortments could be tailored to public needs according to demand.

I decided to make a spreadsheet to determine how many characters each version had. I cut out all the vehicles, accessories, gift packs, meteorbs, creatures and re-issues. I wanted to see the number of variants they had out there on single carded figures.

The results are as follows:

NOTE: There are sure to be a few numbers off, a couple lost characters and a handful of characters i shouldn've have counted *maybe i forgot a creature in or something, but the character lists will be given as well for you to fix my errors*.



MOTU 198X Stats:

Note: Euro Exclusives Included, so feel free to subract Tytus et al from totals.
73 Figures
4 Skeletors
5 He-Mans
3 Hordaks
2 Fakers -- Counted Faker II as a variant of 1
63 Unique Characters in Total

MOTU 200x Stats:

Note: Convention and mail away exclusives are included. I also did not count Keldor as a Skeletor Variant.
56 Figures
39 Variants
7 figures with repaints. They are Mer-Man, Ram Man, Beast Man, Skeletor, Two Bad, Trap Jaw, Tri Klops
10 He-Man Figures
3 Man-At-Arms Figures
8 Skeletor (one is the repaint)
2 Mekanecks
2 Stratos
2 Teelas
29 Unique Characters in Total

The Character Lists I used I got from the org. I had to edit some stuff to get them to work in excel. There are sure to be errors, feel free to point them out, but I imagine the gist of the numbers speaks for themselves.

198x Figure List

DRAGON BLASTER SKELETOR
LASER LIGHT SKELETOR
SKELETOR
TERROR CLAWS SKELETOR
BATTLE ARMOR HE-MAN
FLYING FIST HE-MAN
HE-MAN
LASER POWER HE-MAN
THUNDER PUNCH HE-MAN
BUZZ SAW HORDAK
HORDAK
HURRICANE HORDAK
BATTLE ARMOR SKELETOR
BEAST MAN
BLADE
BLAST ATTAK
BUZZ-OFF
CLAMP CHAMP
CLAWFUL
DRAGSTOR
EVIL-LYN
EXTENDAR
FAKER I
FAKER II
FISTO
GRIZZLOR
GWILDOR
HORDE TROOPER
JITSU
KING HISS
KING RANDOR
KOBRA KHAN
LEECH
MAN-AT-ARMS
MAN-E-FACES
MANTENNA
MEGATOR
MEKANECK
MER-MAN
MODULOK
MOSQUITOR
MOSS MAN
MULTI BOT
NINJOR
ORKO
PRINCE ADAM
RAM-MAN
RATTLOR
RIO BLAST
ROBOTO
ROKKON
ROTAR
SAUROD
SCARE GLOW
SNAKE FACE
SNOUT SPOUT
SORCERESS
SPIKOR
SSSQUEEZE
STINKOR
STONEDAR
STRATOS
SY-KLONE
TEELA
TRAP-JAW
TRI-KLOPS
TUNG LASHOR
TWISTOID
TWO-BAD
TYTUS
WEBSTOR
WHIPLASH
ZODAC

200x Figure List

BEAST MAN
BEAST MAN (repaint)
BATTLE ARMOR HE-MAN
BATTLE SOUND HE-MAN
HE-MAN
ICE ARMOR HE-MAN
JUNGLE ATTACK HE-MAN
MEGA-PUNCH HE-MAN
SAMURAI HE-MAN
SHIELD STRIKE HE-MAN
SMASH BLADE HE-MAN
SNAKE HUNTER HE-MAN
BATTLE GLOVE MAN-AT-ARMS
SAMURAI MAN-AT-ARMS
SERPENT CLAW MAN-AT-ARMS
MER-MAN
MER-MAN (repaint)
MEKANECK
SERPENT TRACK MEKANECK
RAM MAN
RAM MAN (repaint)
SKY STRIKE STRATOS
STRATOS
BATTLE ARMOR SKELETOR
BATTLE SOUND SKELETOR
FIRE ARMOR SKELETOR
SAMURAI SKELETOR
SKELETOR
SKELETOR (repaint)
SNAKE CRUSH SKELETOR
SPIN BLADE SKELETOR
SNAKE TEELA
TEELA
TWO BAD
TWO BAD (repaint)
TRAP JAW (repaint)
TRAPJAW
TRI-KLOPS
TRI-KLOPS (repaint)
BATTLE FIST (FISTO)
BUZZ-OFF
EVIL-LYN
FAKER
KELDOR
KING HSSSS
MAN-AT-ARMS
MAN-E-FACES
MOSS MAN
ORKO
PRINCE ADAM
ROBOTO
SY-KLONE
THE GENERAL (RATTLOR)
VENOM SPITTING KHAN
WHIPLASH
ZODAK

Originally Posted by bcrduke

Kids today have a shorter attention span...

the problem with the MYP cartoon was that they didn't FINISH the explanation of who He-Man is in the cartoon opening... Adam STARTS to tell the story, and then is interrupted by Skeletor's goons...

If you hadn't seen "In the Beginning," you would be like, "HUH? Why does this kid turn into this muscle guy??" Who is Skeletor? What exactly does he want? They never made anything clear enough...

It sounds to me as if MYP was striving for an American anime -- LITERALLY.

If you've ever seen shows like Bleach, Inuyasha, or Fullmetal Alchemist, you have to watch the shows FROM THE BEGINNING ... or else you're lost!

Originally Posted by Battle_Brak

You just completely destroyed any credibility you had jk
The Four Horsemen perfectly capture the essence of MOTU to me. I can never get over how people would dislike their designs. I mean they are the same designs just a little more detailed. I don't get it.

I'd like to sketch up some of my designs and post them here. I'm sure they'll get shot down because they go much further than the 4H ever would... I think I'm becoming a heretic to the purists on here.

I don't like the 4H designs either. It's not to say that they can't sculpt or aren't good artists, but it looks like anime. Too angular and strays away from the original design. I think the new movie design/story should be sure to steer clear away from making things too different like the 87 movie which just looks like a cross between highlander and robocop.. It sucked.. I don't want the new one to.

Originally Posted by corytheguitarhero

but it looks like anime. Too angular and strays away from the original design.

Huh???

Originally Posted by oICEMANo

Huh???

He's right, too anime. MOTU doesnt really appeal like that imo. They should be a bit more gritty and bulky. Not sleak and clean...

When you ask people our age what they remember from MOTU they'll say He-Man and Skeletor and if you're lucky another character thrown in there.

As much as I LOVE the Sorceress I dont view her as a must have character. She isn the main one.

Originally Posted by Divia

When you ask people our age what they remember from MOTU they'll say He-Man and Skeletor and if you're lucky another character thrown in there.

As much as I LOVE the Sorceress I dont view her as a must have character. She isn the main one.

A movie without the Sorceress? No, no no!

Originally Posted by Mirage

She looked as if she was from Krypton!

You are sooo right. I still can't believe that movie was MotU
I think that that the French did the best thing by keeping Asterix and Obelix the same, just as they were in the beginning of their "creation". And to prove my theory of not needing any changes, Asterix and Obelix got their own movies recently too and they were pretty successful. I didn't see anyone complaining there...!
Sometimes I think that the problem are the MotU fans, they just don't know what they want...

Originally Posted by mermaidliz

You are sooo right. I still can't believe that movie was MotU
I think that that the French did the best thing by keeping Asterix and Obelix the same, just as they were in the beginning of their "creation". And to prove my theory of not needing any changes, Asterix and Obelix got their own movies recently too and they were pretty successful. I didn't see anyone complaining there...!
Sometimes I think that the problem are the MotU fans, they just don't know what they want...

I'm going to have to look into this "Asterix and Obelix". I've never heard of them before.

Thanks for the feedback, Mermaidliz and everybody else!

Darth Latveria - Yeah, Mattel was really dumb with all the variants this latest time around. You're definitely right there.

A quick Fisto sketch...

Originally Posted by Battle_Brak

A quick Fisto sketch...

That looks really good.

That's a nifty sketch there Battle_Brak!!

Ya see I just think the basic designs are already there and would work fine with just some alterations and accessorising.

He-man would be the same. Add some leather, chain mail, pouches, daggers and such and yer done.

Originally Posted by Battle_Brak

A quick Fisto sketch...

T I G H T !

/me likes

Originally Posted by Battle_Brak

A quick Fisto sketch...

Quite the artist we have here!

Thanks guys!

Originally Posted by Pig Boy

That's a nifty sketch there Battle_Brak!!

Ya see I just think the basic designs are already there and would work fine with just some alterations and accessorising.

He-man would be the same. Add some leather, chain mail, pouches, daggers and such and yer done.

Thanks for the praise. I agree with you about the designs. if the movie makers think they need to change up the designs radically their artists have no imagination. Between the various incarnations of MOTU there are great starting points for costume designs.

Oh and here's some colors...

very cool, i've did the old mantenna and catra ones but i'm not gonna bother reposting them again, but i dont see them making appearances

Originally Posted by Battle_Brak

Thanks guys!



Thanks for the praise. I agree with you about the designs. if the movie makers think they need to change up the designs radically their artists have no imagination. Between the various incarnations of MOTU there are great starting points for costume designs.

Oh and here's some colors...

I think that design would work really well in a live action film.

Sweet artwork Battle Brak! Would you mind doing other characters for us??