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  • Adam Turns into He-Man

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Thread: What should the He-Man/ Adam relationship be?

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    What should the He-Man/ Adam relationship be?

    The Adam transformation to He-man was a filmation creation and some think that, if there was a new movie, it should be changed, modified, or even discluded all together. In 2002 MYP took it further by making adam a teenager and in the 1987 picture Adam was left out. The Teenaged Superhero with the secret identity has been done so many times in the past and in recent films and shows, some think it has become a cliche. So what do you think, Is the MOTU lexicon better off with or with out Adam turning into He-man.
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    For me, Adam IS He-Man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 80's Enthusiast View Post
    For me, Adam IS He-Man.


    I totally agree. Even the original toy line states this.

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    Actually in the original toy line He-man was "The greatest warrior in his tribe". He left his tribe to go fight the dark forces threatening Eternia. He got his strength from his suit. The Adam to He-Man transformation was invented by Filmation.

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    From my point of view there should be Adam, but not in a Smallville way. I mean, at the beginning we see how he gets his powers, then Skeletor appears and he has to become He-Man, but for God's sake: only once per film (lets hope they make more) The chesy thing comes when you see Adam transforming into He-Man more than once, just like in the Filmation series.
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    Adam must be He-man.
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    I prefer the way it was in the original mini-comics: He-Man was a barbarian who got his vest and weaponds from the goddess. Forgive me, but the Adam thing is just a bit much. But to each his/her own.

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    Maybe it should be a one-way transformation. Like in the beginning Adam is an ordinary person, but once he finds the sword and does the "By the Power" thing, he never turns back again. He-Man *is* Adam. Not really a secret identity, but we could still have an awesome transformation scene.

    Kinda like in Iron Man, where at the end of the movie Tony actually admits to being Iron Man, unlike in the comics.
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    I either want Adam turning into He-Man once, or just have He-Man. Separating them into two different characters would be lame.

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    I don't like the secret identity business and never have. The completely different storylines of the minicomics and cartoons could be merged easily though. ie, He-man starts off as in the original minicomics, and as he defends eternia he is then befriended by Randor. He either finds out he's actually his biological father ("lost" as an infant somehow, switching with Adora in the respect), or he is adopted as Randor's heir and bestowed the name "Adam".

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    On a side note, are the casual viewers going to be turned off or even take the movie seriously with a transformation sequence? It could be done well but I can also see it going very badly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave-Man View Post
    Maybe it should be a one-way transformation. Like in the beginning Adam is an ordinary person, but once he finds the sword and does the "By the Power" thing, he never turns back again. He-Man *is* Adam. Not really a secret identity, but we could still have an awesome transformation scene.

    Kinda like in Iron Man, where at the end of the movie Tony actually admits to being Iron Man, unlike in the comics.
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    There was talk somewhere (might have been the new script review?) of Adam being trained up by Zodak into what we know as He-Man, no doubt with enhanced power due to the power sword.

    I think this is a good way of incorporating both Adam and He-man into the movie without the back and forth dual identity.

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    No Adam. Even the original movie got rid of Adam.

    Or maybe the King and Queen lost baby Adam during an ambush in the jungles years ago. Adam is found be a tribe of barbarians, name him "He-Man" and they raise him until manhood. Then he emerges from the jungle as He-Man, complete with Battle Cat.

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    Even if Adam (and his transformation into He-man) has been part of MOTU since the apparition of filmation cartoons, I always preferred he-man as he was in the early micomics.
    Adam couldn't be excluded from the movie IMO, just I hope in a cooler than just a secret-identity relationship between Adam and He-man.

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    "Or maybe the King and Queen lost baby Adam during an ambush in the jungles years ago. Adam is found be a tribe of barbarians, name him "He-Man" and they raise him until manhood. Then he emerges from the jungle as He-Man, complete with Battle Cat. "

    MegaGerMax, this sounds a great idea, just to be shaped a little bit

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    I need to see a live action Adam holding up the power sword and transforming into He-Man. I only watched the cartoons as a kid and to me the transformation sequence was very special. When I watched the 1987 Masters of the Universe movie you can only imagine my disappointment when I didn't see the magical scene. Even if the Adam transforming into He-Man was only a Filmation thing, Adam is He-Man. The things that I want most in the movie are to see Eternia as the magical place described and a transformation scene. Of course, there needs to be a good story. I was thinking about an orgin story for He-Man. Maybe a live action version of the first three episodes of the 2002 series. There must be room left to explain in another film if it were to happen.

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    Original minicomics aside (I'm aware I may be speaking blasphemy here, but when I tried reading those original minicomics I always found them dreadfully dull), I don't think you can have He-Man without Adam, or without that powerful transformation sequence. It'd be like having Superman without Clark Kent... sure, you COULD have Superman without a secret identity and without that "Kansas farmboy" childhood, but then you're removing something vital from the character, not to mention you rob him of much of his humanity. And I think Adam adds a lot of much-needed personality and debth to He-Man... not always a WHOLE lot of it, but the dual identity does create an interest and a slight complexity that just isn't there if He-Man is just He-Man and nothing more.

    Of course, Adam isn't always WRITTEN well... in fact, it seems like most often he ISN'T written well. But on the occasions when he IS, you get a lot more character out of him. There have been a few stories in different continuities where Adam is just presented as having a gift of the gab, being not only a smooth talker but also a good listener and with some genuine diplomatic skills, which I really appreciate.

    The 200x licensed comics didn't always go too much in depth with the characterizations, but the Orko-centric issue had one of my fave Adam scenes ever, and really showed that Adam had a brain. He wanted to follow Orko to the Sands of Time, but knew he couldn't just vanish for several days, and knew his father wouldn't just grant permission just like that... so he waited until he KNEW Randor was going to be in a meeting and then accosted him, asking if he could take Orko on a trip for a couple of days, peppering his speech with a lot of how concerned he was for Orko who always tried his best but everyone was so hard on him, and a little vacation would do him some good, and it'd only be for a few days, and so on... and Randor, both overwhelmed by the long speech, worried that he wasn't going to be in time for his meeting, and possibly a little touched that Adam was showing such concern for a friend, finally agreed that they could go. Cue Adam telling Orko: "Now THAT is how you get permission."

    And that kind of cemented for me why we need Adam. Scenes like this wouldn't be possible if he was He-Man all the time. As Adam you can much easier see that humbler, wilier, more charming side to him. He-Man doesn't do that sort of thing because he doesn't need to... he's so overpowered and independent and perfectly heroic and looked up to by everyone that it kind of limits what kind of interactions he can have with other people.
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    Id prefer just he-man... no adam
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dina M View Post
    Original minicomics aside (I'm aware I may be speaking blasphemy here, but when I tried reading those original minicomics I always found them dreadfully dull), I don't think you can have He-Man without Adam, or without that powerful transformation sequence. It'd be like having Superman without Clark Kent... sure, you COULD have Superman without a secret identity and without that "Kansas farmboy" childhood, but then you're removing something vital from the character, not to mention you rob him of much of his humanity. And I think Adam adds a lot of much-needed personality and debth to He-Man... not always a WHOLE lot of it, but the dual identity does create an interest and a slight complexity that just isn't there if He-Man is just He-Man and nothing more.

    Of course, Adam isn't always WRITTEN well... in fact, it seems like most often he ISN'T written well. But on the occasions when he IS, you get a lot more character out of him. There have been a few stories in different continuities where Adam is just presented as having a gift of the gab, being not only a smooth talker but also a good listener and with some genuine diplomatic skills, which I really appreciate.

    The 200x licensed comics didn't always go too much in depth with the characterizations, but the Orko-centric issue had one of my fave Adam scenes ever, and really showed that Adam had a brain. He wanted to follow Orko to the Sands of Time, but knew he couldn't just vanish for several days, and knew his father wouldn't just grant permission just like that... so he waited until he KNEW Randor was going to be in a meeting and then accosted him, asking if he could take Orko on a trip for a couple of days, peppering his speech with a lot of how concerned he was for Orko who always tried his best but everyone was so hard on him, and a little vacation would do him some good, and it'd only be for a few days, and so on... and Randor, both overwhelmed by the long speech, worried that he wasn't going to be in time for his meeting, and possibly a little touched that Adam was showing such concern for a friend, finally agreed that they could go. Cue Adam telling Orko: "Now THAT is how you get permission."

    And that kind of cemented for me why we need Adam. Scenes like this wouldn't be possible if he was He-Man all the time. As Adam you can much easier see that humbler, wilier, more charming side to him. He-Man doesn't do that sort of thing because he doesn't need to... he's so overpowered and independent and perfectly heroic and looked up to by everyone that it kind of limits what kind of interactions he can have with other people.
    I prefer how it is in the Filmation cartoon series.

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    I'm always a little torn when I think about this:

    On one hand, I prefer mini-comics versions of all the characters. I like the idea of he-man being powerful, but no so powerful that he completely outclasses his enemies. I could happily read stories about this version of He-man and his battles with the different villains for the rest of my life.


    But the Filmation version....I really dis-liked how the majority of the characters were presented. The one thing I really did like though was the idea that Castle Grayskull contained a link to so much power. I liked the idea of He-man becoming literally one of the most powerful beings in my young childhood.



    I think the Adam to He-man transformation is too iconic to get rid of. I'd be fine with a one time transformation though.
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    He-Man is always He-Man and Adam doesn't exist.

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    He-Man and Adam should be lovers.

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    Adam to He-Man transformation for me, but with power levels more akin to the mini comics where he's powerful but as per Dice's eloquent wording, does not totally outclass his enemies

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    Adam turns into He-Man. And I prefer Adam as a younger guy with a smaller build (200X, CG 2021, and to some extent Revelations)
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