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    Filmation She-Ra Forever! AlessandraF's Avatar
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    Would you buy it The Secret of the Sword in Blu-Ray?

    If Classic Media release The Secret of the Sword in Blue Ray, would you buy it?

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    Yeah I would buy.

    Though since we know the quality won't be better, I wonder why you ask?


    Quote Originally Posted by BCI Guy View Post
    The original masters were digitized and restored by Hallmark, then they destroyed the originals.

    All that remains of the Filmation library are the digital copies, and they were not digitized at high enough resolution to be released in Blu-Ray.

    It also wasn't a frame-by-frame restoration, it was done globally with software and that is why some of the original lines of the animation are sort of broken up, smaller in size, or completely "remastered away".

    The DVDs are as good as it can ever look.
    Quote Originally Posted by BCI Guy View Post
    I've watched some of the raw digital files, they look just like the DVDs.

    Again, with all the original materials destroyed, we're left with what Hallmark did. First their remastering process was a heavy "scrubbing". It got rid of dust and scratches, but it also eroded the line art. That's why some of the finer detail lines are really thin or even gone. Those aren't ever coming back. Then it was scanned and digitized at SD resolution. There just isn't a way to make them look better.

    Upscaling them and putting them on a Blu-ray isn't going to make them look any better than playing them on an upscaling machine.

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    We were talking about that with Alessandra just yesterday.
    While we're aware of the quality of the transfer, I was wondering if there is change to locate a good master in film form or even the negatives used to create the theatrical masters.
    David can chime in and tell us if this is wishful thinking...

    The point is always, even if they exist somewhere, who would put money in to find them and restore them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emiliano View Post
    We were talking about that with Alessandra just yesterday.
    While we're aware of the quality of the transfer, I was wondering if there is change to locate a good master in film form or even the negatives used to create the theatrical masters.
    David can chime in and tell us if this is wishful thinking...

    The point is always, even if they exist somewhere, who would put money in to find them and restore them?
    First, I would to ask to who had seen this last theatrical projection a few years ago, how was the quality?

    So, I have an old 35mm film in my hands, (it's in very good quality, but I can't know if something better exists among the thousands of copies created at that time) a normal scanner that can scan film too, and this is the result... I wonder how this could be done with a professional machine...





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    Quote Originally Posted by AlessandraF View Post
    So, I have an old 35mm film in my hands, (it's in very good quality, but I can't know if something better exists among the thousands of copies created at that time) a normal scanner that can scan film too, and this is the result... I wonder how this could be done with a professional machine...
    HOLY ****, Alessandra, you HAVE the 35mm reel?!

    I'm in LOVE with those images - I love the fact that we can see the peg marks for the animation cels (and the fact at the top of the She-Ra images we can see the areas that are untouched by the special effects) - AMAZING!

    PLEASE show a frame or two from the "I Have The Power" scene - I want to see the complete image of that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Busta Toons View Post
    HOLY ****, Alessandra, you HAVE the 35mm reel?!
    Yes, I know, it's a cool item to have

    Quote Originally Posted by Busta Toons View Post
    I'm in LOVE with those images - I love the fact that we can see the peg marks for the animation cels (and the fact at the top of the She-Ra images we can see the areas that are untouched by the special effects) - AMAZING!
    I was impressed with this too!

    Quote Originally Posted by Busta Toons View Post
    PLEASE show a frame or two from the "I Have The Power" scene - I want to see the complete image of that!
    Sure James, but I had seen that He-Man's transformation sequence doesn't has the same on the top... just give some days and I will post it to you!
    Last edited by AlessandraF; January 5, 2011 at 11:51am.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlessandraF View Post
    First, I would to ask to who had seen this last theatrical projection a few years ago, how was the quality?

    So, I have an old 35mm film in my hands, (it's in very good quality, but I can't know if something better exists among the thousands of copies created at that time) a normal scanner that can scan film too, and this is the result... I wonder how this could be done with a professional machine...

    [ur]http://gi85.photobucket.com/groups/k41/E4JI5Q92ZQ/she-ra-35mm_2.jpg[/url]

    [ul]http://gi85.photobucket.com/groups/k41/E4JI5Q92ZQ/he-man-35mm_2.jpg[/url]

    [ul]http://gi85.photobucket.com/groups/k41/E4JI5Q92ZQ/she-ra-35mm-1.jpg[/url]http://gi85.photobucket.com/groups/k...e-man-35mm.jpg
    Wait... the audio is in stereo?
    Brings doom to MOTUC with cel accuracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimbot View Post
    Wait... the audio is in stereo?
    Looks like it is... I'm seeing two soundtracks too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jukka View Post
    Yeah I would buy.

    Though since we know the quality won't be better, I wonder why you ask?
    And Busta said:
    http://www.he-man.org/forums/boards/...0&postcount=32
    http://www.he-man.org/forums/boards/...3&postcount=37
    http://www.he-man.org/forums/boards/...3&postcount=45

    I'd say having eps and the movie without any pixelization occurring is worth of a blue ray release.
    Brings doom to MOTUC with cel accuracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimbot View Post
    And Busta said:
    http://www.he-man.org/forums/boards/...0&postcount=32
    http://www.he-man.org/forums/boards/...3&postcount=37
    http://www.he-man.org/forums/boards/...3&postcount=45

    I'd say having eps and the movie without any pixelization occurring is worth of a blue ray release.
    Yeah, like I already said; I would buy it.

    And I'd be behind the promotion tag-line: "Hey, you can see the transformation sequence in perfect quality!"

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    i buy anything about my favorite animated movie but I think a edition on blu-ray would be unnecessary except that it include deleted scenes and stuff


    about that , anyone know how many units sold "the secret of the sword" I mean" the best of she-ra "on dvd by BCI .
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    I'd probably buy it, even though I don't have a Blu-ray player.

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    I don't think any older cartoons like this would translate well into blueray... either way, I don't think it's necessary since it was animated for the lower resolution.

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    If the NTSC original She-Ra episode masters were found, on film and could be restored and released, if only enough money was raised, I would PERSONALLY start a fundraising operation.

    It still drives me batty that the PAL transfers are all we've got.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raptor8x View Post
    I don't think any older cartoons like this would translate well into blueray... either way, I don't think it's necessary since it was animated for the lower resolution.
    I just don't get this. Why is it that DVD resolution now gets treated as if it's a piece of *****? Are you gonna watch it on a TV the size of a house?! Think of the bitrate, man. There would be no pixelization and that's what makes anything that hasn't been preserved on film worthy of a blueray release.

    And not a single cartoon was ever animated for any resolution.
    Brings doom to MOTUC with cel accuracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raptor8x View Post
    either way, I don't think it's necessary since it was animated for the lower resolution.
    Quote Originally Posted by Grimbot View Post
    And not a single cartoon was ever animated for any resolution.
    Exactly. The point, which I quoted with BCIGuy's posts, was that Hallmark digitized the original material to lower quality, not high enough to make Blu-Ray (since back then there was no blu-ray).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jukka View Post
    Exactly. The point, which I quoted with BCIGuy's posts, was that Hallmark digitized the original material to lower quality, not high enough to make Blu-Ray (since back then there was no blu-ray).
    As Grimbot said, not a single cartoon was ever animated for any resolution - The digital masters were created PERFECT - Once they are transferred to VHS, encoded to DVD, etc., THAT is where the loss of quality occurs - The masters are FLAWLESS!

    It's hard to explain, but if you think DVD is lossless (outside of the transformation) you're mistaken - Backgrounds, character outlines, panning shots, special effects, EVERYTHING on DVD has noise around it...

    As I mentioned in the other post, the DVD bit rates were under 9mbps for both Contender and BCI - Blu-ray bit rate is often 40mbps - Now the difference between a bit rate of 5 and a bit rate of 9 is VERY noticeable...NOW imagine the difference between a bit rate of 9 and a bit rate of 40...THAT is Blu-ray!

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    I'd buy it for sure.
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    yeah cause I don't have it either as well as the Christmas special too which I need to get on since it has ben re-issued too.
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    Yes I would. Would want it to have some really good special features though.
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    I'll buy anything NA, 200X, POP or MOTU on Blu-ray.
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    If they cleaned up the film, plus had a bucket load of extra's, a ton more than was available on the DVD, then I would consider paying £12.99 for the Blu-Ray!

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    no thank you. I dont have a blue ray player, and I am in no rush to get one. I dont care if they do it, I just am not interested.

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    Sadly I'm inclined to say no, unless it comes with some really awesome bonus features. I mean I have The Secret of the Sword on DVD already plus the episode format from the She-ra box set so I don't really have a need for another copy.
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