Characters we have no visual for

[Clawful94]

Captain Davro (1988 UK World IP Annuals)
Randor's Sister (1988 UK World IP Annuals)
Saz (Filmation Cartoons) "By the whiskers of Saz"

Perkaedo is in 1985 UK World IP Annuals "The Tale Of Man-E-Faces".

[facet]

Pretty sure it's official. It was used on Vykron's own bio card and is on the official site as wallpaper art.


You know I'd forgotten about Hordak's dad being called that. I keep thinking of the Skull of Power in relation to him though.

Hmm, I don't think Darkspy WAS the portal as that's just not an intuitive interpretation IMO, but if you feel that should count for him then okay. At the very least I'd put him in the same group as Light Hope, a character represented by an effect rather than "personified" visually.

As for Saryn, I agree she is probably it, but I'd also go ahead and list Keldor's mother until something is confirmed. It's not like it hurts to update that she's been revealed, in fact it'll show some progress.

Actually I used that concept to create the fan character Hordor, who is male. I don't think the original design had a name.

Yeah the whole skull of power thing got a little messed up because in the DC vs MOTU 52 crossover series, when they explain where the skull of power came from, It says that hordak killed his own father, Horde Prime and kept his skull as a grisly trophy, so in that series, Horde Prime is his father not brother. I Think the 2 of them having a father is cool, as It creates an even worse baddy then Horde Prime and Hordak.

Off the topic, I was trying to derive a way of recognize the fact that Horde prime was supposed to have 2 heads (from Filmation), So the Skull of powers origins could be modified in one of two ways, 1. In regards to that dc crossover, say the skull is that of Horde Lord, their true father, or 2. Say at one time Horde Prime had 2 heads, and Hordak decapitated one in the process of an assassination attempt, that would explain a bitter animosity of them and possibly the creation of the technovirus to repair himself and why he looks more teched out then Hordak, just a cool theory I came up with.

The whole Darkspy thing is explained in Bustatoons blogspot
He was supposed to be a shadowy demon, but they opted out to make him that portal so we are both right in a sense
http://bustatoons.blogspot.com/2007/06/darkspy.html

Did we not see Dark Spy, Gbagok? I thought he was nothing more than a glowing mass that resembled a portal. I feel like I recall listening to a commentary where it was mentioned that the glowing "portal" was mistaken by many to be a mode of communication, but was in fact meant to be Dark Spy itself.

Or, I could have made all of this up in my head.

Nope you were right bud

Sorry I'm derailing the thread a bit, but is Horde Supreme just another name for Horde Prime, or is it the same as Horde Lord? I think Supreme was only mentioned in He-Ro's bio, but was it because for some reason they couldn't use Prime at the time, and came up with a different name for him?

You are correct, since they didnt have rights to the name from filmation, they changed it to Horde Supreme, I personally think that UK Horde Prime should be Horde Supreme, Uncle of Horde Prime and Hordak.

Captain Davro (1988 UK World IP Annuals)
Randor's Sister (1988 UK World IP Annuals)
Saz (Filmation Cartoons) "By the whiskers of Saz"

Perkaedo is in 1985 UK World IP Annuals "The Tale Of Man-E-Faces".

Hells yeah Randors sister is one I forgot, and Saz as well, dont forget that Chief Carnivius sword is called the Sword of Saz, as another reference to it. who is Captian Davro, what is his importance?

Another opinion thing I had was that The Central tower was built in commemoration of someone, a Lion type character, maybe Saz was the one that helped bring about the 3 parties to create the truce of the 3 towers and he was honored by having his likeness put on the central tower. If you remember from the PreEternia map, it was Split up into 4 territories, Grayskull, Hordak, King Hiss, and Dragon. He could have been the one representing the Dragon, the Dragons choosing him as their emmissary, stating the dragons wanted nothing to do with the rest of eternia and and the cede their lands to be broken up if a truce was created.

[Clawful94]

Captain Davro was the captain in charge of protecting Prince Michael, who was the youngest nephew of King Randor. He was captain of Randor's greatest ship, the "Silver Star". Is only real importance is that he is in the story with Prince Michael and Randor's Sister, who is only mentioned. ("Return Of The Sacred Statue" -1988 UK World IP Annual). He is only in the World IP Annual.

I never knew that Chief Carnivius sword is called the Sword of Saz. That's is very cool information. Makes a lot of sense, being a Cat Person/Qadian. What I wanna know is why the Magicats were familiar with the name as well.

I would like to add:

Prince Goras (German Audio Plays:Episode 02 - "Das Todestor")
Ofta (German Audio Plays)
King Jared (POP Filmation Cartoons - "The Crown Of Knowledge")

[retcon]

What about Ka? As in Staff of and Shield of. We don't even know the relevance of these items but Teela carries one and it and Ka remain mysteries.

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Captain Davro was the captain in charge of protecting Prince Michael, who was the youngest nephew of King Randor. He was captain of Randor's greatest ship, the "Silver Star". Is only real importance is that he is in the story with Prince Michael and Randor's Sister, who is only mentioned. ("Return Of The Sacred Statue" -1988 UK World IP Annual). He is only in the World IP Annual.

I never knew that Chief Carnivius sword is called the Sword of Saz. That's is very cool information. Makes a lot of sense, being a Cat Person/Qadian. What I wanna know is why the Magicats were familiar with the name as well.

I would like to add:

Prince Goras (German Audio Plays:Episode 02 - "Das Todestor")
Ofta (German Audio Plays)
King Jared (POP Filmation Cartoons - "The Crown Of Knowledge")

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thanks for the info on captain davro very cool stuff, yeah info on his sword of saz actually came from the page ads in toyfare magazine. thanks for the great pics,btw, in regards to the magicats, i beat it has something to do with the first ones, since they originally came from eternia.

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What about Ka? As in Staff of and Shield of. We don't even know the relevance of these items but Teela carries one and it and Ka remain mysteries.

Not sure if that was a person but the its only the staff, the shield is not named after ka

[retcon]

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thanks for the info on captain davro very cool stuff, yeah info on his sword of saz actually came from the page ads in toyfare magazine. thanks for the great pics,btw, in regards to the magicats, i beat it has something to do with the first ones, since they originally came from eternia.

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Not sure if that was a person but the its only the staff, the shield is not named after ka

According to the King Hsss bio you are wrong. It is the Shield of Ka.

http://www.mattycollector.com/store/...0#.U-1EdXU_7qA

[Clawful94]

Very confusing stuff. If King Hssss has the Sword Of Ka, why would Teela have the Staff Of Ka? Very interesting.


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[Joker95]

Very confusing stuff. If King Hssss has the Sword Of Ka, why would Teela have the Staff Of Ka?

My guess was that Teela found the Staff of Ka when she was training to be Captain of the Guard, and she stumbled onto an old Snake-Man shrine. And she took the Staff because....I dunno, because she thought it looked cool.

[facet]

According to the King Hsss bio you are wrong. It is the Shield of Ka.

http://www.mattycollector.com/store/...0#.U-1EdXU_7qA

Oh I was thinking retcon was asking about Teelas shield, not king hiss's shield, but that is news to me he has the shield to ka, good catch.

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My guess was that Teela found the Staff of Ka when she was training to be Captain of the Guard, and she stumbled onto an old Snake-Man shrine. And she took the Staff because....I dunno, because she thought it looked cool.

you know TG promised us that us that by the end of this we would have explanation of why she has it, but it has not come.

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[Snake_Man]

you know TG promised us that us that by the end of this we would have explanation of why she has it, but it has not come.

Did you read the last page of the most recent MoTUC Mini-Comic? The answer is right there. I admit, it is not a satisfactory answer, but it IS canon now. :^)

[Count Judas]

I would add this character Goobah, as mentioned by Ninjor when facing Blast Attak in the vintage Star comic.

[scott metzger]

The Unnamed One.


Ooops, I misread the title. I thought you were asking about characters we try to forget we now have visuals for.

I still count the Unnamed One. We never saw the original concept of what he was to be in the POG saga, and I do not now nor will I ever accept the "scary Trollan" we got as anything but a poorly conceived jest. The true Unnamed One is still a mystery...

[Lewd_Squirrel]

Technically, wouldn't Tug-O-War fit into this category?

[facet]

Technically, wouldn't Tug-O-War fit into this category?

we just got a visual from axel on him check his Motuc thread its on there

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Did you read the last page of the most recent MoTUC Mini-Comic? The answer is right there. I admit, it is not a satisfactory answer, but it IS canon now. :^)

seems more of a joke in my eyes but it "techinally" is an answer

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I would add this character Goobah, as mentioned by Ninjor when facing Blast Attak in the vintage Star comic.

http://i1263.photobucket.com/albums/...pspkzsgonw.jpg

ill add him

[Lewd_Squirrel]

we just got a visual from axel on him check his Motuc thread its on there

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seems more of a joke in my eyes but it "techinally" is an answer

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ill add him

Oh, I thought that that was just a fan drawing that he did, not for the actual comic.

[Dragonblaster]

I still count the Unnamed One. We never saw the original concept of what he was to be in the POG saga, and I do not now nor will I ever accept the "scary Trollan" we got as anything but a poorly conceived jest. The true Unnamed One is still a mystery...

Couldn't resist...

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Updated list now have visuals for Sharella, Odar, Sawtooth, and Overlords of the Eternal dimensions

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Hordaks lead witch on 1st eternian invasion is actually is actually the witch on the left according to TG, the one of the right could be the celestial witch that trapped the star sisters from the orignal storyline?
concept witch.jpg

[mikerobertschamp]

Im hoping that in may when the DarkHorse character guide comes out. We get some answers to these characters. I feel the Horde family tree really needs fleshed out as well as the Horde Lords. The First Ones on Etheria who came from Eternia should have a lot more light upon them. More of the Powers of Grayskull and before and after needs to be opened up completely. Now there are some names like Ofta and what not, are being fleshed out by Gbagok and his visuals for some, well all are breathtaking. Thank you Gbagok for that and I hope that for us fans we can get some answers soon.

[uaxuctum]

Im hoping that in may when the DarkHorse character guide comes out. We get some answers to these characters. I feel the Horde family tree really needs fleshed out as well as the Horde Lords. The First Ones on Etheria who came from Eternia should have a lot more light upon them. More of the Powers of Grayskull and before and after needs to be opened up completely. Now there are some names like Ofta and what not, are being fleshed out by Gbagok and his visuals for some, well all are breathtaking. Thank you Gbagok for that and I hope that for us fans we can get some answers soon.

I find it weird that, apparently, the Dark Horse guide will cover all characters that have been named in some media (which includes those like these that we have no visuals for, and which for the most part are mostly unknown among the fandom precisely because of the total lack of visuals for them), whereas it will ignore all characters that were not officially named in the media that they appeared on even though we do have visuals for them (and some of these have been long talked about among the fandom, who in many cases have baptized them with unofficial names).

[Jukka]

whereas it will ignore all characters that were not officially named in the media that they appeared on even though we do have visuals for them

You mean, that for the book they should completely make up a new bio-text for someone like King Hiss' Slave-Girl? Whom we have visuals but no official name or notes or meaningful activity?

EDIT: Who is then in charge for that responsibility? For wouldn't it be fan-fic next to characters with stories and history under their belt that can be tracked?

[uaxuctum]

You mean, that for the book they should completely make up a new bio-text for someone like King Hiss' Slave-Girl? Whom we have visuals but no official name or notes or meaningful activity?

EDIT: Who is then in charge for that responsibility? For wouldn't it be fan-fic next to characters with stories and history under their belt that can be tracked?

First of all, I didn't say a "bio" should be invented for them or anything; just including a picture to document their existence would more than do (i.e., the relevant info to include for these characters would be their visuals and where they were featured).

My point was that a fictional "world compendium" should at least acknowledge that all these "other" characters do exist, even if they were left unnamed. A visual in a context constitutes, in my view, more existing information about that character than a mere verbal mention like "the Sword of Saz".

But apparently the fact that Saz (and other similar characters mentioned in this thread, most of which many fans have never even heard about) did get an official name in some official media (and just that, because we have zero additional information besides precisely their name) qualifies ¿him/her/it? for entry into the compendium; whereas, say, the prominent Obelisk Warriors, each of which starred in a dedicated Alcalá minicomic panel explaining their abilities, did not qualify for an entry or any kind of acknowledgment of existence and were off-limits because their minicomic appearance wasn't accompanied by an official name.

Did Joya make it? We only knew about her official name very recently, even though she has been a quite famous character among the PoP fandom for a long time. Fans baptized her "Bubblerina", "Bubble Carriage Maiden", etc., and made a lot of nice fan art about her, and she was featured in countless discussions, and even had her own MotUC support thread. But alas! All of that fandom fame wouldn't have been enough to get her into the world compendium, as she was unnamed and therefore off-limits. She didn't exist! That is, until we discovered she did have a name officially.

See what I mean?

[facet]

First of all, I didn't say a "bio" should be invented for them or anything; just including a picture to document their existence would more than do (i.e., the relevant info to include for these characters would be their visuals and where they were featured).

My point was that a fictional "world compendium" should at least acknowledge that all these "other" characters do exist, even if they were left unnamed. A visual in a context constitutes, in my view, more existing information about that character than a mere verbal mention like "the Sword of Saz".

But apparently the fact that Saz (and other similar characters mentioned in this thread, most of which many fans have never even heard about) did get an official name in some official media (and just that, because we have zero additional information besides precisely their name) qualifies ¿him/her/it? for entry into the compendium; whereas, say, the prominent Obelisk Warriors, each of which starred in a dedicated Alcalá minicomic panel explaining their abilities, did not qualify for an entry or any kind of acknowledgment of existence and were off-limits because their minicomic appearance wasn't accompanied by an official name.

Did Joya make it? We only knew about her official name very recently, even though she has been a quite famous character among the PoP fandom for a long time. Fans baptized her "Bubblerina", "Bubble Carriage Maiden", etc., and made a lot of nice fan art about her, and she was featured in countless discussions, and even had her own MotUC support thread. But alas! All of that fandom fame wouldn't have been enough to get her into the world compendium, as she was unnamed and therefore off-limits. She didn't exist! That is, until we discovered she did have a name officially.

See what I mean?

I totally agree with what your saying here, their are plenty of characters that deserve more recognition, played larger roles in the mythos,yet because they had no name, their character falls by the wayside. An example that reminds of thisis something that Joe Amato was talking about in one of his podcasts, they were discussing Goatman and the Golden Book " Secret of the Dragon Egg", and The fact that since Goatman was named specifically in that book, His "stock" so to speak, shot up tremendously, in that a name gives that character importance, he stands out amongst the rest, otherwise why name him, if he not important, just leave him as a background character. And to further that point if you look back in that book, there is another character that could totally had a cult following if the author had give him a name, the wolflike character in the picture with Goatman,wolf-or.jpg . He looks like he could stand with the evil warriors or one of Beastman Lackey's, the one push that could have gotten him there was a name, but since he didn't no one even remembers him. Another example Uaxuctum, But more in the reverse sense of what you are talking about is the CG Boxart, You guys remember when scott annouced that we could vote for 8 character we would want to see on the box art, well the list was massive, very inclusive, naming everyone from Captain Zang( The pilot for the Mytes in the NA Episode that first introduced to them and the Gleanons) to characters like Snarll the snow Thief, Golden Rod and Fang-or. These Last three had absolutley, postively, no acknowledgement from Mattel whatsoever, they were never introduced, no pictures were shown of them, no one pointed out who they were or where to find them they just showed up on a list as an option to choose them. Why then, would Mattel do this, give us a name of someone who we have no visual for, no bearing on who this character is, and yet allow them to be eligible to Appear on the box cover art for Castle Grayskull! User name Missle toe Compiled the amazing visual list of everyone to allow those who didnt want to look up every character, and there were some, like queen Teela or Karak Nul, who there was just no visual for but we knew who those characters were
list 3.jpg
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list4.jpg, but those 3 remained question marks throughout the whole process. Fangor Was eventually made into a full body sketch along with most of king grayskulls Pre Eterian Defenders, Axel recently Showed us What Golden Rod Looks like from his early Sketches and Snarlll the Snow Thief remains as this so far (BTW My vote for the CG BOx Art was1. the unnamed one 2. Fangor 3. goldenrod 4 Snarllll, and 4 others just to see what these characters looked like, if the unamed one won his surprise reveal would hav been ruined)
snowthief golden rod stretch neck vypor.jpg
The whole point of all is that assigning of a name to someone essentially gives way to a strong possibility of the character getting a figure made (i.e Goatman) it give him more prominence, then someone with out one like Goatmans wolf buddy.

[Jukka]

if you look back in that book, there is another character that could totally had a cult following if the author had give him a name, the wolflike character in the picture with Goatman,wolf-or.jpg . He looks like he could stand with the evil warriors or one of Beastman Lackey's, the one push that could have gotten him there was a name, but since he didn't no one even remembers him.

I tried looking back on that story. But I may have missed what significant and memorable contribution did that wolflike character make for the story? That he would be remembered long after, even if he had no name?
Please don't get me wrong, its always fascinating from a fan perspective to know more about these characters. Though since it comes accross like the artist adding a random henchguy to the scene, I approach it as more curious to get the info that how did the artist possibly come up with this addition.

The whole point of all is that assigning of a name to someone essentially gives way to a strong possibility of the character getting a figure made (i.e Goatman) it give him more prominence, then someone with out one like Goatmans wolf buddy

Because if a writer intended there to be specifically a meaningful wolflike character with name for this particular story then wouldn't he/she simply have written it in? I am agreeing with you there. But that's the exact point. The writer did not make it out to be a more prominent thing, if it even came from the writer in the first place.

Goat Man has been an obscure reference among fans for years. One cropped image floating online here and there, but many times fans didn't even know where he came from. Be it Magazines or GoldenBooks. His cult following, much like Geldor have become more influential post-2009 when MOTUC started to take off and there was an incling of chance we'd get them even considered for a figure. I feel this is one "skewed" part that sometimes has been stated by fans. About how a certain character HAS TO BE so important to warrant a figure and have suddenly cult-followings. But as long as I've been a member in online-communities since 1999, from Org to GrayskullMuseum forums, Masters Infinita forums, He-Bro's Lounge forums or occasionally checking PlanetEternia forums... I sure as heck don't remember anyone pushing hard and wanting a Geldor toy in 1999 with commemoratives (He-Ro and Eldor were mentioned, for example though) or when the 2002-relaunch happened that he'd be utilized in the show and made a toy or even NECA Staction later on.

So with all that in mind... With MOTUC especially, I would like one day to come a book where Scott can write in all intricate backstories for these characters and Axel can re-draw them for it. I think you would like that too, facet, since you were a big factor that these names were even created to answer in Q&As. But that [book] would work on the premise that Scott would invent these stories for it, be it from his mind or if he had a notepad with one sentence written down on what detailed history Snarlll the Snow Thief had.

will it be truly comprehensive and include all the "obscurities" or just the main A/B-list stuff?

Have you seen the Preview pages?

I think there are good amount of characters included. I mean Attendant Mozz is not "just the main A/B-list stuff"...