Characters we have no visual for

[Polygonus]

Hot discussion here.
Maybe the upcoming character guide and world compendium will need an updated version some day.
I believe, that as long as there are new media (f.e. comic books) and dedicated fans digging through all kind of magazines, concept arts, etc., there will always be new characters, that might be added to such an encyclopedia.
I've bought the WWE encyclopedia and I tried to come up with rather unknown wrestlers and check, if they are in this book.

So maybe, everyone of us knows one particular obscure character, that he cannot wait to search in the book. And maybe, after the release of the book, a lot of people will ask, why this or that character was forgotten in the book.

Maybe some of these will make it to an updated version in a few years (if this is a possible option for Dark Horse), but I'm afraid, some will never be seen inside such a list.

[facet]

I tried looking back on that story. But I may have missed what significant and memorable contribution did that wolflike character make for the story? That he would be remembered long after, even if he had no name?
Please don't get me wrong, its always fascinating from a fan perspective to know more about these characters. Though since it comes accross like the artist adding a random henchguy to the scene, I approach it as more curious to get the info that how did the artist possibly come up with this addition.


Because if a writer intended there to be specifically a meaningful wolflike character with name for this particular story then wouldn't he/she simply have written it in? I am agreeing with you there. But that's the exact point. The writer did not make it out to be a more prominent thing, if it even came from the writer in the first place.

Goat Man has been an obscure reference among fans for years. One cropped image floating online here and there, but many times fans didn't even know where he came from. Be it Magazines or GoldenBooks. His cult following, much like Geldor have become more influential post-2009 when MOTUC started to take off and there was an incling of chance we'd get them even considered for a figure. I feel this is one "skewed" part that sometimes has been stated by fans. About how a certain character HAS TO BE so important to warrant a figure and have suddenly cult-followings. But as long as I've been a member in online-communities since 1999, from Org to GrayskullMuseum forums, Masters Infinita forums, He-Bro's Lounge forums or occasionally checking PlanetEternia forums... I sure as heck don't remember anyone pushing hard and wanting a Geldor toy in 1999 with commemoratives (He-Ro and Eldor were mentioned, for example though) or when the 2002-relaunch happened that he'd be utilized in the show and made a toy or even NECA Staction later on.

So with all that in mind... With MOTUC especially, I would like one day to come a book where Scott can write in all intricate backstories for these characters and Axel can re-draw them for it. I think you would like that too, facet, since you were a big factor that these names were even created to answer in Q&As. But that [book] would work on the premise that Scott would invent these stories for it, be it from his mind or if he had a notepad with one sentence written down on what detailed history Snarlll the Snow Thief had.




Have you seen the Preview pages?
http://www.he-man.org/assets/images/...ew-08_full.jpg

I think there are good amount of characters included. I mean Attendant Mozz is not "just the main A/B-list stuff"...


Jukka,you have a point in that if the author wanted to give a larger role for the wolf character, he simply would have done it. i dont know what the protocol is for creating new characters, and maybe you could shed some light on this since you have interviewed alot of writers involved in motu media, but to me looking into the world, it seemed that that Mattel wanted the characters they created to be the ones included in the stories to push their product (and rightfully so ). I would love to hear Scotts ideas for the characters he created to "move the brand forward", I think its truly the future of brand, I think people would be very receptive to the prequeal stories of King Grayskull and his defenders fighting against the snakemen and the horde, the son of heman era, and the trollan conflict with revenge squad. The Major players need to be clearly defined, so that fans have something to get behind, and if these guys were to get more media, more fans would want these characters. Just look at Fangor, he started out as a name on CG Box Art, finally identified on the 2nd ultimate battleground, defined by someone in a q an A on Matty Collector as the "spikor" of the sankemen and fully defined by Axel for Mattel during sdcc, and in 2017 hes getting a figure, but as of right now the only image we have of him in any story arc media is this image Fang-or.jpg. If these other characters were explored in any depth, it would stir intreast in the fan community. I know for a fact scott has story ideas about certain characters, for insistance, Red Shadow, he mentioned that he had a very sad story, he was captured by his enemies and as punishment the mask was put on him. But that is all he is willing to disclose about it, why in the second new mini comic, at the funeral of hero, they specifaically go out of their way show his mace to glow this willow wispy blue, yet when i specifically question him on it, not a peep out of him. He described to the artist to do that but when questioned on why, no answers are produced. The unwillingness to share what he came up with is a detchriment to the fan community, leaving big question marks on answers that have been explored in order to create these characters in the first place. I seriously doubt that Marketing would create characters that they want to move the brand forward with without creating backstories and some subject matter on them. If a character was important enough to be fighting against the likes of Heman and Skeletor, Hordak and King Hsss in one of the ultimate battlegrounds, then they have some level of importance beyond a mere background character, which in turns should be some consideration in determining which characters should be conisdered in being immortilized in plastic. This is straying from the point of this specific thread, but the revelence of some of what is being dicussed is important in what the future of this brand, i think one major focus for the purveyors of future media is intertwining what we have already created and exists as well as expanding on not just these newly created characters we have, but existing ones such as the Obilisk Warriors, characters like Tarrak and Damon, and Snake Goddess, and Shezar. Done!

[Penny Dreadful]

I'm pretty sure the wolf guy made it in as a sub-entry under Wolf People or something, and I'm fairly certain the Obelisk warriors are mentioned in the Obelisk entry. Workarounds were found to sneak in SOME of the more popular unnamed characters and creatures, but our guidelines were very clearly stated, and entries for most unnamed characters or characters only named in q&a's typically fell outside of those guidelines. Not everyone agreed in every instance and we had discussions about these things, but at the end of the day, we had to abide by the guidelines or find workarounds in some cases.

Believe me, I think we'd all love a 3000 page multi-volume work containing everything ever conceived for MOTU/POP/NA, from concepts, to unnamed background characters, to maps, to detailed explorations of mythology on the level of Tolkien. Can you imagine how long that would have taken though? We had deadlines and guidelines in place. That's why this is a guide/compendium and not an encyclopedia. Folks are welcome to document such things in the Org's encyclopedia, however!

As is, even stuff from existing "named canon" was missed, either because (a) we didn't have access to every comic from a series or access to a full story. I believe there are over 160 Italian Più comic stories, for example, and we couldn't get them ALL in time. We currently only have access to some scenes and a media press kit from the Power Tour, as another example, so only some entries are in there for that story . (b) the content was created after deadlines. Most of the He-Man/ThunderCats crossover isn't in there, for example, except for a couple of things from issue 1 that we managed to get in just under the wire, or characters like the MOTU '88 wave (except for Strobo), which were only recently "canonized" and named. (c) mistakes happen - I've been keeping a list of some stuff that fell through the cracks. So far, I've noticed only a handful of obscure artifacts or locations that were missed. That bums me out a little, but the team had thousands and thousands of entries to research and write about, and strict deadlines to meet.

Facet, it's entirely possible more will be revealed about the characters you mention in future stories, bios, comics, etc, and maybe once the book is out, we can get a thread going to track anything that was "missed" or created after the fact in case DH does an update someday. My advice, for what it's worth, is to go into this with the mindset of enjoying what IS in there - which is the VAST MAJORITY of existing canon - instead of focusing on the few things that didn't make it.



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[facet]

I'm pretty sure the wolf guy made it in as a sub-entry under Wolf People or something, and I'm fairly certain the Obelisk warriors are mentioned in the Obelisk entry. Workarounds were found to sneak in SOME of the more popular unnamed characters and creatures, but our guidelines were very clearly stated, and entries for most unnamed characters or characters only named in q&a's typically fell outside of those guidelines. Not everyone agreed in every instance and we had discussions about these things, but at the end of the day, we had to abide by the guidelines or find workarounds in some cases.

Believe me, I think we'd all love a 3000 page multi-volume work containing everything ever conceived for MOTU/POP/NA, from concepts, to unnamed background characters, to maps, to detailed explorations of mythology on the level of Tolkien. Can you imagine how long that would have taken though? We had deadlines and guidelines in place. That's why this is a guide/compendium and not an encyclopedia. Folks are welcome to document such things in the Org's encyclopedia, however!

As is, even stuff from existing canon was missed, either because (a) we didn't have access to every comic from a series or access to a full story. There are over 160 Italian Piu comics, for example, and we couldn't get them ALL in time. We currently only have access to some scenes and press kit from the Power Tour, as another example, so only some entries are in there for that story . (b) the content was created after deadlines. Most of the He-Man/ThunderCats crossover isn't in there, for example, except for a couple of things from issue 1 that we managed to get in there just under the wire, or characters like the MOTU '88 wave (except for Strobo), which were only recently named. (c) mistakes happen - I've been keeping a list of some stuff that fell through the cracks. So far, I've noticed only a handful of obscure artifacts or locations that were missed. That bums me out a little, but the team had thousands and thousands of entries to research and write about, and strict deadlines to meet.

Facet, it's entirely possible more will be revealed about the characters you mention in future stories, bios, comics, etc, and maybe once the book is out, we can get a thread going to track anything that was "missed" or created after the fact in case DH does an update someday. My advice, for what it's worth, is to go into this with the mindset of enjoying what IS in there - which is the VAST MAJORITY of existing canon - instead of focusing on the few things that didn't make it.



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Penny, Thanks I am always optimistic that these stories will flesh themselves out in the near future, certainly Axels thread is helping the cause. In regards to the characters that i refer to in this thread, its important to me at least, to at least document their existence and any instance that something is referenced to so that it not forgotten, can be referenced back to where the information came from, and allow for these elements to be explored in the future.

[facet]

Ka now has some identifying qualities desrcibed about him, Now i am adding He-ra, He-ro's Son, He-ros Wife, and Grayskulls Daughter

[Blade]

This is interesting, for a weird alien dude with 'self exposing' action and 2 twins hugging his boobs.

#hordelordiscool! #myhashtagsare#s #sayhellotomylittlefriends

Perhaps he is the Master of Perversion.

[facet]

Perhaps he is the Master of Perversion.

his name should be Voye-ur

[Penny Dreadful]

I wouldn't say no to a heroic Anti-Eternia Keldor figure, maybe as a Power-Con exclusive? But would the Keldor from "the Upside Down" look similar to the Anti-Eternians we know about, would he look just like the Eternian version of Keldor, or would he look different from either of those options?

[danielsan52]

I think I would rather Tufos look like one of the Avonians from the Compendium. The guy with the real wings and a second head of the black bearded guy would be fantastic!

[facet]

I think I would rather Tufos look like one of the Avonians from the Compendium. The guy with the real wings and a second head of the black bearded guy would be fantastic!

I agree with you on this danielsan, those avion warriors could be humanoid versions of the character we got from the Mvc comic on the origin of stratos, where he gets the egg of avion from the ancient statue/ ancestor. That character had a bird like face though, not a winged helmet.

I wanted to start a discussion surrounding the new image we
Got from Rebecca Taylor regarding an sketch called the king of Styx. Although it was from 1971, it is a hauntingly close resemblance to skeletor and I think would be a perfect visage of King Heltor, the leader of the three terrors. This sketch conveys a powerful being from the past, an ancient evil that can pose a great threat, and able to possess skeletor with his magic. This image should be king heltor
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[danielsan52]

I agree with you on this danielsan, those avion warriors could be humanoid versions of the character we got from the Mvc comic on the origin of stratos, where he gets the egg of avion from the ancient statue/ ancestor. That character had a bird like face though, not a winged helmet.

I wanted to start a discussion surrounding the new image we
Got from Rebecca Taylor regarding an sketch called the king of Styx. Although it was from 1971, it is a hauntingly close resemblance to skeletor and I honk would be a perfect visage of King Heltor, the leader of the three terrors. This sketch conveys a powerful being from the past, an ancient evil that can pose a great threat with his lts, and able to possess skeletor with his magic. This image should be king heltor
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Wow! I like that!!!

[bribri4u]

I agree with you on this danielsan, those avion warriors could be humanoid versions of the character we got from the Mvc comic on the origin of stratos, where he gets the egg of avion from the ancient statue/ ancestor. That character had a bird like face though, not a winged helmet.

I wanted to start a discussion surrounding the new image we
Got from Rebecca Taylor regarding an sketch called the king of Styx. Although it was from 1971, it is a hauntingly close resemblance to skeletor and I honk would be a perfect visage of King Heltor, the leader of the three terrors. This sketch conveys a powerful being from the past, an ancient evil that can pose a great threat with his lts, and able to possess skeletor with his magic. This image should be king heltor
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I was thinking of Satma.

[AdultCollector]

I wouldn't say no to a heroic Anti-Eternia Keldor figure, maybe as a Power-Con exclusive? But would the Keldor from "the Upside Down" look similar to the Anti-Eternians we know about, would he look just like the Eternian version of Keldor, or would he look different from either of those options?
http://i.imgur.com/MnL9lXh.jpg

Oh! You just gave me a great idea! Heroic Anti-Eternia Keldor could look just like Prince Keldor from the Classics Mini Comic!

[facet]

Oh! You just gave me a great idea! Heroic Anti-Eternia Keldor could look just like Prince Keldor from the Classics Mini Comic!

https://i.imgur.com/711hJxj.jpg

Yes yes and yes

[facet]

I nominate this guy as Goobah. goobahconcept.jpg

[VaultsofGrayskull]

A few more to add to the list:

King Telmund (Princess Benura's father mentioned in the Newspaper Comic Strips).
Xipotam (Great Eternian Bard mentioned in the first UK Annual).
Chief Guard of Prison Star (also from the UK Annual).

[Stagnataur]

Chief Guard of Prison Star (also from the UK Annual).

Which of the UK Annuals is this guy from? I remember the Guards from the UK comics, but not in the Annuals.

[VaultsofGrayskull]

Which of the UK Annuals is this guy from? I remember the Guards from the UK comics, but not in the Annuals.

From the very first one. It was copyrighted in 1983 but mostly available the following year. The Chief Guard was featured in a story called The Fight For Prison Star.

The whole book can be read on my site; here's the link: http://www.vaultsofgrayskull.co.uk/1983-annual.html

[motogp_fanatic]

From the very first one. It was copyrighted in 1983 but mostly available the following year. The Chief Guard was featured in a story called The Fight For Prison Star.

The whole book can be read on my site; here's the link: http://www.vaultsofgrayskull.co.uk/1983-annual.html

Nice read. Thanks.

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[Stagnataur]

From the very first one. It was copyrighted in 1983 but mostly available the following year. The Chief Guard was featured in a story called The Fight For Prison Star.

The whole book can be read on my site; here's the link: http://www.vaultsofgrayskull.co.uk/1983-annual.html

Thanks for the link, VoG. Fortunately, I still have all of my Annuals from my childhood collection. I remember the story, but had forgotten all about the Chief Guard being mentioned. Thanks for the reminder

[VaultsofGrayskull]

Thanks for the link, VoG. Fortunately, I still have all of my Annuals from my childhood collection. I remember the story, but had forgotten all about the Chief Guard being mentioned. Thanks for the reminder

Nice read. Thanks.

You're most welcome.

[Jayk]

The Vulcan Magician from POP German audio books. Loved him. He was in every episode.

[Niki]

The Vulcan Magician from POP German audio books. Loved him. He was in every episode.

I love those audio stories as cheesy as they are and it´s true that sorcerer could be used for further Etherian stories.

[Jayk]

I love clawdeen from the audio books most. She was real :-)
Perfuma was horrid. Lol
Soooooo sensitive and moody

[VaultsofGrayskull]

Glabrezu. It's a monster of some sort, and it comes from the unproduced "Ring of Dreams" script, which you can find right at the back of the Dark Horse minicomic book.