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    Quote Originally Posted by Snake_Man View Post
    :^)
    I WAS personally GUTTED, though, on the change from the name "HotShot" to the miserably inferior "Plasmar". :^(
    I'm the opposite - they went from a very generic name to something that sounds way more MOTU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snake_Man View Post
    :^) I didn't really have a dog in the fight in the change between the Horroar/Terroar naming. Either name works as well as the other. What I DID raise an eyebrow over, at the time, was the odd presumption that the Vintage figure was supposed to have had a fancy bellows-powered "screaming" action feature, which would have inevitably led to more engineering costs and (likely?) tooling, for a figure that was supposed to be part of a "no-frills" economy wave. Never quite wrapped my head around that leap of logic, which evidently led to the "Roar" part of his name in the first place, though obviously decades later.

    I WAS personally GUTTED, though, on the change from the name "HotShot" to the miserably inferior "Plasmar". :^(
    I prefer latter because

    A) there are tons of Hotshots. It's not an unique name. Is there Autobot like that?

    B) with assumption that he can make any weapon from plasma "Hotshot" focuses too much on just guns.

    C) name sounds like he has fire powers while it looks more he makes energy constructs.

    I assume nickname came from art alone before he got red translucent accessories but to me giving him plasma powers saved character who originally had really dull gimmick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hadley View Post
    Wasn’t Hot Shot just a nickname given by fans?
    Not as I remember. The name wasn't in vogue for very long, but I recall an official press release (or e-mail? or forum post?) about the change when it happened. I distinctly recollect personally replying: "Don't TELL me, let me GUESS! Does Hasbro have a trademark out on the name 'HotShot'?" (Which of course it DID!) [^D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Durendal View Post
    I'm the opposite - they went from a very generic name to something that sounds way more MOTU.
    That's fair.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bear View Post
    I prefer latter because

    A) there are tons of Hotshots. It's not an unique name. Is there Autobot like that?
    Probably! LOL

    I'm wondering if it wasn't because the figure was planned to (re-)use He-Ro's Classics armor, with the sculpted "H" emblem, that endeared the whole idea to me. :^) And then THAT went south, along with several OTHER weird miscalculations in the planning/production of the figure, eventually making him a figure I'm kind of a little embarrassed to have on my shelf...
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    I personally preferred Hot Shot, and still refer to him as such.

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    I'm honestly more bugged by the name "Slamural" than anything else, though I can't think of a better one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snake_Man View Post
    I'm wondering if it wasn't because the figure was planned to (re-)use He-Ro's Classics armor, with the sculpted "H" emblem, that endeared the whole idea to me. :^) And then THAT went south, along with several OTHER weird miscalculations in the planning/production of the figure
    What other weird miscalculations?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Durendal View Post
    What other weird miscalculations?
    :^) I'm betting that mileage will vary, but I feel that ALL of the Power-Con "1988 Unproduced Wave" figures suffered from under-development and WAYYY too much over-thinking!

    Of course parts re-use is written into these figures' DNA. It's the reason these characters exist! But what should have been a pretty straight-forward adaptation for Plasmar took a few less-than-stellar side trips. I've mentioned the loss of the Vintage use He-Ro armor, and the (possibly/probably connected?) woeful name change, but what I feel is most unsettling is the (actual proper!) use of SSSqueeze's legs. Plasmar (re-)used those legs in his Vintage artwork, but they had received a very nice Plus-up in Masters Classics that the Vintage figure lacked: an intricate scaly texture on the non-booted/armored sections. It ought to have been easy to simply color the legs silver, or bronze, or some metallic color, and make like Plasmar is wearing chain-mail. Stranger wardrobe choices have DEFINITELY been made on Eternia!, LOL

    Instead, the PTBs painted the scaly parts with an intricate striped pattern, and had his box-back Bio explain that after Snake Men killed his family, Plasmar took to hunting and skinning Snake Men, wearing their hides as grisly trophies! Just what we needed: a Heroic Warrior with vengeful bloodlust.

    In another weird work-around from Vintage to Classics, the fact that the Evil Horde Crossbows had (also) been upgraded to incorporate an actual grippable handle (as opposed to the Vintage over-the-forearm clip style) meant that Plasmar was forced to go to market with a pair of hands that didn't match.

    I was going to say something about the (re-)use of Fisto's head, and that the Bio didn't go out of its way to give us a convoluted explanation as to why the two men look so much alike, but then I realized that I actually favor that, over the bizarre and logic-defying back-story with which Terroar was saddled.

    I realize i'm just rambling now. Take Care! :^)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bear View Post
    I'm honestly more bugged by the name "Slamural" than anything else, though I can't think of a better one.
    Yes! LOL [^D
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snake_Man View Post
    :^) I'm betting that mileage will vary, but I feel that ALL of the Power-Con "1988 Unproduced Wave" figures suffered from under-development and WAYYY too much over-thinking!
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    Yeah, I'm not too impressed with the bios over explaining why the character re-uses parts. I love the 88 wave, but Ter-Roar's whole bio is a mess. Just have him be a Snake Man, not a creature who copied bits and pieces of others he saw!?!?!

    Which leads me to my theory about Plasmar's armour changing from He-Ro's to Sir Laser Lots. I believe it was so they can use the Gem of Tamadge simply to shoe-horn in an excuse for his weapons re-use: Why would he use a Horde crossbow? Or have wrist guns the same as Rio-Blast? Because he saw them and is replicating them, of course!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrillhouse View Post
    Yeah, I'm not too impressed with the bios over explaining why the character re-uses parts. I love the 88 wave, but Ter-Roar's whole bio is a mess. Just have him be a Snake Man, not a creature who copied bits and pieces of others he saw!?!?!

    Which leads me to my theory about Plasmar's armour changing from He-Ro's to Sir Laser Lots. I believe it was so they can use the Gem of Tamadge simply to shoe-horn in an excuse for his weapons re-use: Why would he use a Horde crossbow? Or have wrist guns the same as Rio-Blast? Because he saw them and is replicating them, of course!

    Is that what this gem does? I can't keep track of Classics lore

    I heard that they changed armor because He-Ro is too important to have his armor recycled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snake_Man View Post
    :^) I'm betting that mileage will vary, but I feel that ALL of the Power-Con "1988 Unproduced Wave" figures suffered from under-development and WAYYY too much over-thinking!

    Of course parts re-use is written into these figures' DNA. It's the reason these characters exist! But what should have been a pretty straight-forward adaptation for Plasmar took a few less-than-stellar side trips. I've mentioned the loss of the Vintage use He-Ro armor, and the (possibly/probably connected?) woeful name change, but what I feel is most unsettling is the (actual proper!) use of SSSqueeze's legs. Plasmar (re-)used those legs in his Vintage artwork, but they had received a very nice Plus-up in Masters Classics that the Vintage figure lacked: an intricate scaly texture on the non-booted/armored sections. It ought to have been easy to simply color the legs silver, or bronze, or some metallic color, and make like Plasmar is wearing chain-mail. Stranger wardrobe choices have DEFINITELY been made on Eternia!, LOL

    Instead, the PTBs painted the scaly parts with an intricate striped pattern, and had his box-back Bio explain that after Snake Men killed his family, Plasmar took to hunting and skinning Snake Men, wearing their hides as grisly trophies! Just what we needed: a Heroic Warrior with vengeful bloodlust.

    In another weird work-around from Vintage to Classics, the fact that the Evil Horde Crossbows had (also) been upgraded to incorporate an actual grippable handle (as opposed to the Vintage over-the-forearm clip style) meant that Plasmar was forced to go to market with a pair of hands that didn't match.

    I was going to say something about the (re-)use of Fisto's head, and that the Bio didn't go out of its way to give us a convoluted explanation as to why the two men look so much alike, but then I realized that I actually favor that, over the bizarre and logic-defying back-story with which Terroar was saddled.

    I realize i'm just rambling now. Take Care! :^)

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    Yes! LOL [^D
    - I'm not sure I agree about the overthinking, after all, these characters were a completely blank slate apart from artwork.

    - The decision to not re-use He-Ro's armour was the right one. As someone else mentioned, He-Ro is way too important and prominent a character to recycle his unique armour for a Z-lister.

    - Plasmar's bio portraying him as a ruthless vigilante targeting Snake Men is totally awesome!! In a property filled with goody-two-shoe heroes, he's a refreshing anti-hero badass. Storywise, he's potentially set up to be MOTU's version of the Punisher. How can you not like that?

    - I'll give you the hand thing. He should at least be able to actually hold the weapon he comes with!

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    I feel like those 6 characters should get in the feel of the vintage line and be simple fun toy concepts, not something you need long convoluted explanation.

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