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    Quote Originally Posted by Penny Dreadful View Post
    Just got a text from Val. He asked me to post that he won't be able to post the bio tonight, and that Masters Mondays will resume next Monday June 24th.

    Since we have the three Power-Con exclusive bios floating around now, I guess those can count for this week's bio reveals.
    WHAT?!?!
    Something you guys have been giving us for free out of the kindness of your hearts has been postponed for a week!?!?
    Not good enough! I'm outraged! GARRRAAGHHHHH!!!!

    If someone could post screenshots of the PowerCon bios in this thread that would be awesome. I read them on Dan's video but a pic would be nice for all those visiting this thread but may have missed them. (And makes up for this week )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrillhouse View Post
    WHAT?!?!
    Something you guys have been giving us for free out of the kindness of your hearts has been postponed for a week!?!?
    Not good enough! I'm outraged! GARRRAAGHHHHH!!!!

    If someone could post screenshots of the PowerCon bios in this thread that would be awesome. I read them on Dan's video but a pic would be nice for all those visiting this thread but may have missed them. (And makes up for this week )
    Sure thing.
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    Is there anyone still keeping a running timeline as new bios are released? I gotta admit...I'm getting lost regarding the snake men factions and various leadership changes...lol
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    Interesting way to include the contest winner into the universe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lightsyder View Post
    Is there anyone still keeping a running timeline as new bios are released? I gotta admit...I'm getting lost regarding the snake men factions and various leadership changes...lol
    I think Uki had a narrative version going in his thread. Not sure when last it was updated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lightsyder View Post
    Is there anyone still keeping a running timeline as new bios are released? I gotta admit...I'm getting lost regarding the snake men factions and various leadership changes...lol
    Irian has a great Timeline Thread, but he hasn't updated it in a long time, alas.

    Uki has a great Narrative Thread, but he hasn't updated it in a long time, alas.

    Both of these threads (and the Dark Horse Character Guide) were very useful for bio-writing endeavors, so thanks Uki and Irian! If you're reading this, it'd be super awesome if you guys could update your threads someday! Hint hint.

    As for leadership changes, it IS very confusing. lol. Keep in mind that Eric and I jumped into this seven years into the story canon. It's all a tangled web that would make Webstor jealous, so take a deep breath and put on your seat-belt for this...

    THE SNAKE MEN TIMELINE & LEADERSHIP ROLES

    Main (famous) Eternia Snake Men Faction - leader = King Hiss (Preternia, Present Day - up until King Hiss is seemingly killed in the 2nd Ultimate Battleground, per MOTUC minicomic #3) - overall, this is the MAIN Snake Men group - everything else kind of falls under, or splits off from, this banner to some extent.

    Remnant Snake Men (after 2nd UB), plus Revenge Squad faction on Trolla - leader = Lady Slither - (During the NA period and after the NA period up until the Reawakening) -
    Per the Ultimate Ram Man bio, we also know that prior to her debut Classics minicomic #5 Lady Slither actually somehow invaded Eternia while He-Man and She-Ra were off in space. She was not on Eternia for long, it seems, and we haven't delved into that story yet. She then ended up on Trolla, leading the Revenge Squad at the behest of the Unnamed One. Later, she came back to Eternia again AFTER the Reawakening when Fang-Or mobilized her Snake Lair. She brought the remnant Snake Men (and possibly the Revenge Squad) back to Eternia with her after the events of the Reawakening and the restoration of Castle Grayskull.

    All UNIFIED evil Snake Men - leaders = King Hiss and Lady Slither together (post-Reawakening)
    This is kind of where we streamline things by bringing Hiss and Slither together as a unified duo to lead ALL of the evil Snake Men.

    ***
    Snake Men Sub-Factions

    Per the Camo Khan bio, we know there is a sub-faction of mercenary, assassin type Snake Men called the Diabolical Snakes. They are still part of the larger Snake Men group, but you might say these are "specialist-for-hire" types within the ranks, who go off on their own unsavory missions from time to time.

    We also know about the newly-released Snake Troopers, who are something of a Sub-Faction under the command of Lord Gr'Asp, who himself is a sinister subject of the Unnamed One, and King Hiss and Lady Slither, AND the Horde. He's playing both sides (Snake Men and Horde) for his own benefit, and is responsible for the brief unification of the Horde and the Snake Men in Present Day Eternia, leading up to the Second Ultimate Battleground (as we saw in Classics minicomic #3 - Horde & Snake Men vs. Heroic Warriors & Evil Warriors).

    So, keep in mind that we are dealing here with sub-factions within the overall Snake Men faction itself...


    SUB-FACTION


    Diabolical Snakes - leader = Kobra "Camo" Khan = (Present Day, on-and-off during NA period when He-Man is away, and Post-NA & Reawakening until he outright betrays the Snake Men, per Fang's bio) - When Lady Slither shows up on Eternia, prior to King Hiss' return, Khan is really trying to ingratiate himself to her as part of his treacherous plan to take over the Snake Men himself. However, this never comes to pass for him because things fall apart once King Hiss comes back into the picture.

    Diabolical Snakes - leader = Reptilax = (post-Reawakening, after Khan's betrayal)

    SUB-FACTION

    Snake (Horde) Troopers - leader = Lord Gr'Asp (Present Day, during NA, post-NA, Reawakening) -Snake Troopers are then paired with Diabolical Snakes as a single unit, under the command of Lord Gr'Asp and Reptilax - who themselves would likely answer to Hiss and Slither, since those two are the top dogs...er, snakes.

    Snake (Horde) Troopers - leader = Spirit of Hordak in his robo-suit (post-Reawakening)

    ***

    OTHER
    Purified good Snake Men - (post-Reawakening) - leader = ? - (we get a glimpse of this new development in the Vanishing Orko bio)

    ***

    GODS & HIGHER BEINGS

    We've also seen that the Snake Men (for sure, King Hiss) are fanatically devoted to evil deities and beings.
    At the highest levels, beyond mortal comprehension, we have:

    Snake Goddess (as glimpsed in Vanishing Orko's bio) > Serpos (not necessarily 'sentient,' but certainly a primordial and powerful godbeast deity) > Unnamed One (not a god, but an omega-level power himself, though still subservient to the Snake Goddess)

    And we also apparently have a good serpent-themed deity as well, per Vanishing Orko's bio, but we won't get into that... yet.

    So, yeah, there's a lot to keep track of with the Snake Men. I hope this outline didn't make things more confusing, but it probably did. lol.
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    So much Lore... So (relatively) few actual Figures. :^)

    Thank You for parsing it all out for us.
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    Penny thank you so
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    Typing all of that out made me realize that we should just reboot the entire story from scratch because only like three people can still follow what's happening, and two of those three people are me and Eric.

    The idea of just rebooting everything was discussed, but it was felt that it wouldn't be the right choice given how far we were into the Classics storyline at that point.

    Part of me would like to go back to the basics though...

    Snake Men - leader = King Hiss - (time period = all the time)
    Anybody new (Fang-Or, Lady Slither, etc) would just get added to the existing faction like they did in the vintage days.

    There are pros and cons. I really love the deep-dive into canon and lore, so it has been very fun putting those pieces together too.

    Out of sheer curiosity for anybody reading this, would you have preferred a full-on reboot where things started from scratch, or are you happy to see a continuation of the established MOTU Classics canon?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Penny Dreadful View Post
    Out of sheer curiosity for anybody reading this, would you have preferred a full-on reboot where things started from scratch, or are you happy to see a continuation of the established MOTU Classics canon?
    That is basically what Masters of The Universe Classics-- and it's continuity/canon-- is all about!

    Everything, from every iteration, foreign and domestic, Vintage, 200X, and brand-new material, all brought together in one gigantic, all-encompassing, cohesive story!

    It may be a lot to take in at times, but I wouldn't ever trade it! :^)

    The biggest (and only real) problem that I have had with the disparate Snake Men factions and formations is the rather ridiculous idea that Lady Slither needed to hire/indenture/mind control? a Revenge Squad. I know that externally, it was a way to bring the (awesome!!) modern Create-A-Character finalists neatly into canon, but doesn't LS have her own army of Snake Warriors?

    Just my take... :^)
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    I I like the marriage of existing canons and fitting it into the classics storyline when new characters come in then their inclusion should be to fill in the missing pieces to make everything coherent, using what was created in the past is hugely important to me

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    This is amazing and I cannot wait to read it! Thanks Penny!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Penny Dreadful View Post
    Out of sheer curiosity for anybody reading this, would you have preferred a full-on reboot where things started from scratch, or are you happy to see a continuation of the established MOTU Classics canon?
    I would definitely NOT have wanted a complete reboot. We've gotten too far in and gotten so deep into marrying all of the various canons. I think what you and Eric have been doing honors that beautifully and I wouldn't want to see it all erased.

    Speaking strictly for myself, my confusion comes from having the various Snake factions operating simultaneously in some eras but not others, with rotating leadership, some returning from the dead at various times. I think retroactively adding factions into previous eras is tripping me up...BUT...I definitely prefer this to a reboot. What I really wish is that there was a comic book representation of the evolution of the Snake Army throughout Classics lore, from the point of view of a Snake who witnessed every era. I'd buy that RIGHT NOW.
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    Unnamed One (not a god, but an omega-level power himself, though still subservient to the Snake Goddess)—- if the unnamed one created the snake men, how is he not a god like figure as he is one of the overlords of the timeless dimension and shy would he be worshipping the snake goddess, is she literally older then him?

    Since lord grasp was at the 2ubg, it’s a shame he is not identified but he escaped, presumably with stretch neck , vypor, golden rod, quick flick, Ter-roar, or some stayed on as part of the diabolical snakes with Camo khan and reptilax. I guess unless we don’t get to find until we get one of them and a bio emerges.

    Last part of this is where does Gorgone fall into all this, and the black crystal and cosmic egg involved in the snake goddess story. I know I’m adding this in but it’s part of the story, of this hadn’t been talked about, I totally understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kreann'ot View Post
    I would definitely NOT have wanted a complete reboot. We've gotten too far in and gotten so deep into marrying all of the various canons. I think what you and Eric have been doing honors that beautifully and I wouldn't want to see it all erased.

    Speaking strictly for myself, my confusion comes from having the various Snake factions operating simultaneously in some eras but not others, with rotating leadership, some returning from the dead at various times. I think retroactively adding factions into previous eras is tripping me up...BUT...I definitely prefer this to a reboot. What I really wish is that there was a comic book representation of the evolution of the Snake Army throughout Classics lore, from the point of view of a Snake who witnessed every era. I'd buy that RIGHT NOW.
    That is an awesome idea. I’d buy that in a heartbeat
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kreann'ot View Post
    I would definitely NOT have wanted a complete reboot. We've gotten too far in and gotten so deep into marrying all of the various canons. I think what you and Eric have been doing honors that beautifully and I wouldn't want to see it all erased.

    Speaking strictly for myself, my confusion comes from having the various Snake factions operating simultaneously in some eras but not others, with rotating leadership, some returning from the dead at various times. I think retroactively adding factions into previous eras is tripping me up...BUT...I definitely prefer this to a reboot. What I really wish is that there was a comic book representation of the evolution of the Snake Army throughout Classics lore, from the point of view of a Snake who witnessed every era. I'd buy that RIGHT NOW.

    As would I bud

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penny Dreadful View Post
    Out of sheer curiosity for anybody reading this, would you have preferred a full-on reboot where things started from scratch, or are you happy to see a continuation of the established MOTU Classics canon?
    On Seinfeld, Kramer is shown to wear silk boxers. Later he expresses a preference for jockeys. There’s an episode about him going al fresco. He becomes a model for tightie whities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by facet View Post
    Unnamed One (not a god, but an omega-level power himself, though still subservient to the Snake Goddess)—- if the unnamed one created the snake men, how is he not a god like figure as he is one of the overlords of the timeless dimension and shy would he be worshipping the snake goddess, is she literally older then him?
    And where did the Unnamed One, stripped of form and banished by his fellow Trollans, discover the power and knowledge to literally "create" a purely evil breed of Snake Men? Perhaps there was ssssome "divine" inspiration, hmmm?

    After all, one must wonder what exactly caused him to focus on the humanoid reptilians, specifically? Maybe someone on a higher plane of existence was whispering sssecrets to him when he was trapped in the Nameless Dimension.

    Lastly, were those specific Snake Men the only Snake Men, ever? Or were there others who were totally unconnected to the Frankensteinian machinations of the Unnamed One?

    So many maybes! So many questions! But I'm not tellin'.

    And yes, absolutely, the Snake Goddess is older and more powerful than the Unnamed One. She is a true deity - one of the old gods of the multiverse. We know there were more gods in the pantheon, besides Standor.

    The Unnamed One is an immensely powerful and very ancient Trollan, but he is not divine in nature. Maybe he wants to be perceived as a god, and he probably thinks of himself as one, but technically, he isn't a god. In fact, we saw that he was stabbed in the back with the Sword of Power and slain by Dare, despite the fact that he was a very old and very powerful being.

    Anyway, I'm sure this will all lead to more questions, so I'd better knock it off.
    Stay tuned for the next bio on Monday!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Penny Dreadful View Post
    And yes, absolutely, the Snake Goddess is older and more powerful than the Unnamed One. She is a true deity - one of the old gods of the multiverse. We know there were more gods in the pantheon, besides Standor.
    Don't you mean Snake GoddessES?? [^)

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    Anyway, I'm sure this will all lead to more questions, so I'd better knock it off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Penny Dreadful View Post
    Out of sheer curiosity for anybody reading this, would you have preferred a full-on reboot where things started from scratch, or are you happy to see a continuation of the established MOTU Classics canon?
    Yes, I would have preferred a reboot. The Classics canon is terrible, and while you and Eric have been doing laudable work with it, it is still fruit from a poisonous tree—a tree that needs to be uprooted, and the ground salted, so it can never grow again. It would open the two of you to telling stories without having to fit things into the context of "Overlords of Trolla" and "Sword of He" stupidity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam_Prince of Eternia View Post
    ...it is still fruit from a poisonous tree—a tree that needs to be uprooted, and the ground salted, so it can never grow again.
    I've always known you are not one to mince words, my good man!

    I think the MOTUC canon is fun, but I totally understand why it's not for everyone. And I know you're not alone in your feelings about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Penny Dreadful View Post

    Out of sheer curiosity for anybody reading this, would you have preferred a full-on reboot where things started from scratch, or are you happy to see a continuation of the established MOTU Classics canon?

    Full reboot. The Classics canon has been a pile of trash since day one.

    It quickly devolved into Toyguru's personal fan fiction very quickly. You're just keeping it alive.

    The only good thing the Classics canon did was remove NA from the future gimmick.

    When you're trying to pull elements from all prior canons, you're suppose keep what works, pick the best parts, and get rid of the contradictory or terrible parts. Instead Toyguru tried to cram it all together.

    Just awful.


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    Trying to tell a "story" by releasing figures was also stupid.

    The blurbs on the back of package should have been actual Bios and character cards, in my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Penny Dreadful View Post
    Out of sheer curiosity for anybody reading this, would you have preferred a full-on reboot where things started from scratch, or are you happy to see a continuation of the established MOTU Classics canon?
    While I don't like some aspects of current canon, I like how it integrated all eras and source materials/characters. It's agood reference for me and current work (bios) is appreciated.
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    I would have preferred a reboot. The Classics cannon is cool in places, but boy oh boy is it TERRIBLE in others. The later is sadly more common...Especially in regards to the Power Sword and Trolla.
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