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    This is just insulting that it even exists.

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    I'm just glad I was never a big Thundercats fan. It's easy for me to not get bothered by it. If they did this to He-Man I would be pretty upset.
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    I'm a huge Thundercats fan, and while this cartoon indeed looks like complete trash in every way; it's not worth getting bothered about. I just won't watch it. And then I'll move on with my life. Plus, it's obviously aimed at small kids - which isn't me. I'm not even their target demo, despite what that producer guy said in the video. "Old & new fans alike" is just something he felt he had to say. There's no way anyone internally believes that adults will watch this.

    It also has zero effect on the episodes that already exist. They're in the can - I own them. They're still perfectly intact to view any time.
    This is merely a new cartoon using an existing property - and if I don't like it, then it's just like hundreds of other cartoons I also don't like and therefore don't watch. It's really not a big deal at all.
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    if you feel that way now, you have no right to complain if it infects a property elsewhere that means even more to you than thundercats .
    cause it's going to happen.

    Either a cheap animated rip off like this, or the property will get ***-ized and ruin it for you forever.

    it's just the way hollywood gets because people WILL give crap like this a chance just to not seem mean. or ignore it and pretend it doesn't exist.

    if people don't tell hollywood something is a bad idea, en mass, 98% probability......they will more than likely try it again elsewhere. At least if people complain, there is a SMALL chance they will wize-n up and listen.

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    If something is good, I'll watch it. If something is crap (even though we haven't seen it yet - I'm pretty sure this will be trash), then I won't watch it. I don't have time to be any more involved than that. You may see that as apathetic, but I just can't dedicate any time to getting in a tizzy about this & signing petitions & sending angry emails & discussing it ad infinitum on FB in an echo chamber. It's not productive, and it's negative energy that I'm not interested in voluntarly having around me. "Ok so this is crap - I'm out" *moves on*

    Some people on Facebook (like the guy who hosts The Thundercast podcast) are foaming at the mouth in pure anger over this - posting screenshots of messages they've sent to Warner Bros: they're genuinely angry - it's not healthy. This is a hobby - it's suppossed to be fun. Otherwise, why am I here? If my hobby is stressful & makes me angry, that just makes me an idiot that needs a new hobby.

    Daniel Craig got death threats when he was announced as the new Bond. There were websites & petitions dedicated to campaigning against him. And he's the best Bond ever, IMO. The only Bond who looked like he could really fight & give chase. He looked legit. The opening scene on Casino Royale really set the tone.

    Point being - the people objecting to Daniel Craig were not of that time - they were all an older generation of old-school fans who didn't want change. They saw Bond 1 way. But the new viewers lapped it up & it was a massive success. So who's to say kids won't like this? I don't think they will like it, but am I in an echo chamber? How do I know? Am I too old to know what kids think is cool? There's a lot of dumb stuff kids like these days that I don't understand - dabbing, snapchat, Drake, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by herbie747 View Post
    I'm a huge Thundercats fan, and while this cartoon indeed looks like complete trash in every way; it's not worth getting bothered about. I just won't watch it. And then I'll move on with my life. Plus, it's obviously aimed at small kids - which isn't me. I'm not even their target demo, despite what that producer guy said in the video. "Old & new fans alike" is just something he felt he had to say. There's no way anyone internally believes that adults will watch this.

    It also has zero effect on the episodes that already exist. They're in the can - I own them. They're still perfectly intact to view any time.
    This is merely a new cartoon using an existing property - and if I don't like it, then it's just like hundreds of other cartoons I also don't like and therefore don't watch. It's really not a big deal at all.
    I worry more that, if it bombs, there's less likely a chance that the property will be revisited any time soon. It could also potentially hurt the chances of other older properties being rebooted. That's my only real knock at it.
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    it's been proven that kids don't get this. or the new tmnt. or other things being rebooted. as mentioned before, everyone of any age group can recognize crap.

    There is healthy, moderate complaining. there is having fun with complaining just to see how the opposing side reacts to the things you say. and then there is the more extreme, un healthy stuff mentioned above.

    there ARE nice ways to complain. at this point, I 've gotten over the anger stage and have come to accept that things I love will be ruined for a new generation.

    won't stop me from voicing my displeasure about it though. even before it's released.


    It's just the nature of fandom. if you don't care enough to complain about this, something you DO feel worth complaining about will hit one day and boom, you'll be joining the rest of us 'negative nancy's...with healthy complaining .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dice View Post
    I worry more that, if it bombs, there's less likely a chance that the property will be revisited any time soon. It could also potentially hurt the chances of other older properties being rebooted. That's my only real knock at it.
    I understand that, but we've had 3 runs of MOTU and 2 runs of Thundercats so far.

    Of course I'd love to see a new MOTU series with photoreal high-budget CGI done in this style with darker stories:
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    But it isn't gonna happen. We've had our lot. We're not a big enough audience for a new high-end cartoon. Super 7 barely make money selling figures to us at $50+ a pop. We're the nostalgia crowd now - it's a market, but it's not the kids mass market. And cartoons generally get made for the kids market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dice View Post
    I worry more that, if it bombs, there's less likely a chance that the property will be revisited any time soon. It could also potentially hurt the chances of other older properties being rebooted. That's my only real knock at it.

    How? If it bombs , then that take wont be seen but why would WB not license out the property to --Super7 --, as an example, if they pay to license the property?

    Money is Money.

    I DO NOT subscribe to the idea EVERYTHING Thundercats hinges on the success of this one show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ksharpe View Post
    I DO NOT subscribe to the idea EVERYTHING Thundercats hinges on the success of this one show.
    it's hollywood. it's entirely possible.

    hell, someone there thought this one show was a GOOD idea to revitalize things and get positive brand recognition going in some committee meeting .

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    Some reason people seem to like this style. Personally I have it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ksharpe View Post
    How? If it bombs , then that take wont be seen but why would WB not license out the property to --Super7 --, as an example, if they pay to license the property?

    Money is Money.

    I DO NOT subscribe to the idea EVERYTHING Thundercats hinges on the success of this one show.
    Well, "less likely" does not equal "hinges on".

    I'd also point out that they could sell those rights at any time and haven't. Many properties are owned by studios that do nothing with them. I'm not going to just assume that if this show fails, something better will happen since there's no precedent for that happening.
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    So are tweets being deleted? Good thing someone screencapped some of this then. The guy acts full of himself, thinks he's above criticism, thinks this is superior, and thinks that hard work = a good job





    Then again the last series had an animator on staff who was also full of himself and thought he was the next Leonardo da Vinci even though he's a nobody with an attitude. I will just link this one since he gets foul-mouthed but this did actually happen. Maybe TCats just attracts people with more ego than talent?

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    And know what, not every old property needs to be revived. I think it happens more due to it being cheaper and easier to redo an existing property with all the trademarks and copyright sin place than to make something new, rather than public demand. NO ONE wanted a Jem movie and it was a huge bomb. It's a forgotten property based on a cartoon that wasn't even very good. Hasbro is just trying to mass-revive old properties hoping something will stick and give them a new revenue source yet most of it is forgotten stuff. Their IDW reboots have been even worse, a lazy attempt at redoing whatever they acquired through buyouts mangled worse by the fact IDW is an awful comic company. And yet they refuse to acknowledge COPS exists, one of their more promising ideas. Someone kick Brian Goldner out of his position as CEO!

    MOTU is hard to sell now, Mattel had to aim at a niche fan market. TCats is even worse, not helped by Bandai US making the toys which were borderline junk and bad toy sales often kill these new shows even if people do like them. Ghostbusters faded away because the actors refused to make a 3rd movie in their prime, eventually made a video game that I guess was a success but is kind of being forgotten now, and now one of them is dead and the other three are too old. Then we got a reboot that was probably designed to fail so the director could scream "bigots hate this" and Sony could scream "piracy hurt this movie, please pass more laws" because they actually claimed high piracy rates on the film. There are a lot of 80s properties that no one is really jumping up and down to bring back, and why? Most "revivals" end up barely like the original anyway which ticks off the old fans, and fails to draw in any new fans.

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    Nothing will ever beat Tunda Minous. You kinda need to be from south Louisiana to appreciate the humor though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister E View Post
    I'm a little disillusioned. This recent trend in flash in the pan comedies is the product of our decreasing attention spans. It is simply easier to make mindless drivel that gives you the lulz for five seconds than to use traditional storytelling methods.

    Media today is produced, consumed, forgotten. This is dangerous.

    The problem is franchises like this struggle without brand recognition (OK KO!) and so they find it easier to rely on established brands. Its the same model used for ROBOT CHICKEN, which is not a criticism. The fact is creators currently in the industry largely seem to care more about pushing out whatever they can with no real regard for legacy.

    I believe this is the result of what happens when you have a minor creative boom like we had in the 80s, except there are not company heads forcing you to produce content with character and moderated (moderate) social messages.

    Its funny really, if you think about it, that people could create BETTER and HIGHER quality works within a box than when the box is removed but I believe it comes down to the eccentricity of creators; which face it, we all are all eccentric. Back in the 80s and early 90s, franchises were heavily scrutinized so they would last. They wanted people to keep coming back, they wanted the media to have repeats, and they wanted to keep the toys on the shelves.

    However, in today's current market, they want everyone to spend fast and quick, and hopefully come back for a second season. Fandoms have become highly toxic, with many within the communities believing they have some level of ownership over the property. Which is where shipping and fandom bullying comes from.

    Now, this is where it gets controversial though, it does not help that the industry is largely being run by creatively bankrupt ideologues that care more about their personal celebrity than the proprieties they claim to care about. Right wing individuals, those who tend to lean towards more structured and traditional storytelling are actively shunned out of the industry while virtue signaling Left Wing individuals are given opportunities that often exceed their experience -- all because of the impact of social media and the ability to inflate one's self via illusory fan support.

    Its simply a matter of the vocal minority.

    Now, you might think "Oh, here comes a nazi" but I assure you that isn't the case and I do not hate anyone, nor do I wish to have anyone oppressed or their feelings hurt. But animation is currently under the thumb of foolish and childish people for the large part. That does not make them bad people either, mind you. But they are not capable or really interested in producing lasting legacy franchises. You see this over and over in their interviews, they just want to have fun and give everyone involved and the audience some laughs.

    Which is fine, but at the current rate things are being consumed and failing, it is going to have a massive impact on these legacy franchises that we cannot undo. It will result in their failure, not the success everyone is hoping for. And you will end up with a generation of children who will regard our iconic childhood heroes in much the way 80s children regarded Adam West's incarnation of Batman; which if you all recall took millions of dollars and over a decade of concentrated effort from comic book creators to undo.

    If this series is what I suspect it to be, it will destroy any chance we have of a more traditional depiction of the heroine and the egalitarian messages she championed. Which has me extremely concerned as a creator who is strongly invested in the MOTU franchise and longs to one day work on it. And, I have much the same feelings regarding Thundercats.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mister E View Post
    You're right and you're wrong. These franchises were built on tried and true social messages; which have endured the test of time for a reason. Its not a coincidence that everything from the Real Ghostbusters to MOTU have an iconic place in Pop Culture. While its true that fans are a big part of that, just as much goes into the creative process.

    For instance, most of the cartoons in the 80s--even the goofier ones (Smurfs, Snorks, etc.)--had more mature themes and addressed more serious issues, like the danger of drugs and violence in society. Children are ultimately trying to learn and understand the world around them and like it or not, things like love, drugs, betrayal of friends are all mainstay themes. Heroes faced challenging moral, ethical and physical challenges. These are largely the things that have been stripped away from modern animation and comic books. The edge has been removed.

    Its shocking when "safe" cartoons like He-Man--wherein the main character never uses his sword--is considered offensive to the sensibilities of modern audiences. Which, given the fact it is a classic, is always a big surprise to me but something I've heard on more than one occasion. The reason for this however, is because it (like Thundercats) shows traditional depictions of masculinity, femininity and egalitarianism.

    All of which threaten the 'identity' or politics of many modern creators; whom according to their own twitter accounts have claimed that their goal is to kill the past. A Neo-Marxist philosophy which is so prevalent in the highest echelon of the creative industry (one which I have worked within for 16 years) that it even appears as a theme and tone within STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS. Another franchise, which has been fundamentally disassembled and is currently hemorrhaging money and driving away its fan base.

    Reality is that MOST boys like boy things and girls like boy things and we should be producing shows for those audiences respectively. We cannot blend these power fantasies together, remove the edge and adult themes from animation, and expect children to maintain their interest.

    When a show head receives negative feedback, he should not be posting pictures of a man making snow angels in money and laughing in the face of his the fan base. These are legacy properties which are being exploited by creative parasites. Men and women who would kill for a chance to work on these properties are bulwarked. Gatekeeping is at an all time high. You have interns at Cartoon Network using sharpies to draw crude Steven Universe and Clarence knockoffs over the top of signed original art from creators from 20 years ago.

    There are millennial hipsters, without experience, driven by a strong desire to shape society to meet their idealistic (and unrealistic) visions in charge of the creative process. They have no respect for traditional storytelling, they do not care about their fans, they do not care about legacy. They are bitter, cynical, and eschew traditional American values; often openly (and on their social media) calling for the death and/or assassination of the President of the United States.

    We have franchises like THUNDERCATS, which were developed and built to last, you might not think so, and while you are partially right; some episodes were rushed. The majority of the episodes were adaptions or inspired by classic stories from mythology, norse epics, a couple from theatre, classic science fiction and/or horror. These were lasting stories. Processed and simplified for children to consume and learn and grow from.

    Most modern cartoons are pandering to the lowest demographic. They are not serving children and are not creating healthy fan bases. Things like Steven Universe, Clarence, Loud House (and to much a lesser extent My Little Pony) are designed to exclude masculine themes based on the premise that (and I've been sitting there to hear this, so don't tell me otherwise) "Masculinity is toxic."

    This will not create a healthy generation of young boys, this is not healthy. This is not honest. It will not last or endure. It's a trend. A friend of mine from the industry compared it to what they did with Adam West Batman and it was the best analogy I'd heard in a long LONG time. The damage these creators are doing is not only going to damage the franchise as a whole, but its going to take a lot of time and money to get back to mainstream appeal.

    Only, the problem is that these franchises (the one's we love, the cartoon franchises) don't have Batman's staying power. So, rather than pull out, they will rot away and vanish. And then we will have nothing. One of my life dreams I've not yet checked off is to work on MOTU. And I worry mismanagement of She-Ra is going to kill it before I get my chance.

    And if you do not think all eyes are on how this TC is going to perform, then you've underestimated just how keen these people are for another TEEN TITANS GO. Especially with Steven Universe and Adventure Time coming to an end. Only here's the thing, if these make money we will never get another another series like MOTU 200X or TC 2011. And when the knockoff pop figures don't sell, the franchises will die... and no one is going to be willing to take a risk on reviving them; save for the occasional anniversary animation or special release.

    Sorry for the information dump, but I am really worried about the current direction of things and the methods and direction of the industry.

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    I see that you are a new member to the forum so I first want to say welcome. I'm intrigued by your posts as I do believe there is merit in a number of things you've stated but I'm also a little confused and was wondering if you would clarify some things. Your political comments come off as "right winged" (as you put it) but you express a strong desire to one day work on the MOTU property in some way which has always had a fan base that is more "left winged" due to the messages that are promoted through the story in the cartoons and the backstories of the characters. I know you started out by saying you are "a little disillusioned" so I don't know to what extent you're referring? Are you thinking that MOTU is "right winged?"

    You also mention working in the creative industry for over 16 years where it is well known to be EXTREMELY left leaning. So my curiosity has me wondering how you've managed for so long and wanting to hear more?

    I personally don't think it has anything to do with politics but instead has more to do with age and viewpoint when discussing this new cartoon. This creator is part of what I call the "Pokemon generation", who grew up in a time where the quality of cartoons was very poor and many lacked a story at all. This created a generation of kids with little to no attention spans and a reliance upon fast paced visual stimulation to keep them interested. Many of them can't be bothered to sit through an origin story because they've never learned to care about such things. It's not their fault though, they are simply a product of their time and don't know any better. They are happy with less substance and more flash. So for those of us that grew up in a time that valued more substance to our stories...our time has unfortunately passed now that this generation are the ones producing new media content.

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    IDW does right by ghostbusters and turtles though. it's the only thing in the last few years that has kept my interest in those franchises fresh.

    are those tweets by someone who works on the show? supposedly it's victor that is trashing people too online like that.


    -edit, wow..dan norton. Well, at least he's honest about his feelings, i'll give him that. avoid show runners these days people, they are loose cannons.
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    I hate to write something off before its even aired but I'm not a fan of the animation style or the idea of a comedy based ThunderCats show.
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    Quote Originally Posted by X-Factorz View Post
    Your political comments come off as "right winged" (as you put it) but you express a strong desire to one day work on the MOTU property in some way which has always had a fan base that is more "left winged" due to the messages that are promoted through the story in the cartoons and the backstories of the characters. I know you started out by saying you are "a little disillusioned" so I don't know to what extent you're referring? Are you thinking that MOTU is "right winged?"


    this is the most self serving, morally skewed, political bs i've heard in a while. wow. So the morals in the toon'---Playing by the rules , Do unto others, respecting people, fessing up when you do something wrong, dont steal , ....etc, etc and ETC.... are somehow proclaimed singularly by the left. Wow just Wow.

    Silly me , here i was thinking those messages were for everyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by InThe80s View Post
    Some reason people seem to like this style. Personally I have it.

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    Actually, I prefer this style myself:
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    Imo, this is how to make it cute and stay at least within a mile of the source material.
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    So a guy says he hates a show and that because of that it basically deserves to be rebooted? The irony being he probably feels if you don't like this, that you should move on as it was obviously not written for you.
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    if he's not a staffer, he's at the least a very bad PR shill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ksharpe View Post
    this is the most self serving, morally skewed, political bs i've heard in a while. wow. So the morals in the toon'---Playing by the rules , Do unto others, respecting people, fessing up when you do something wrong, dont steal , ....etc, etc and ETC.... are somehow proclaimed singularly by the left. Wow just Wow.

    Silly me , here i was thinking those messages were for everyone.
    Talk about self serving and morally skewed! You literally just took a part of what I said (because it obviously goes against whatever you so strongly believe) and tried to make an argument out of it when I was asking a question to better understand the point of view from a new member. The messages in the cartoons are obviously meant for everyone which is why many people were drawn to the acceptance and inclusiveness of the property in the first place. Sounds like you might have missed a few episodes...

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    You know what I also learned from those messages: bullying and peer pressure is wrong, don't judge a book by its cover, and...what else?...oh yeah, don't condemn the many for the mistakes of the few. Lessons just as relevant for today I should say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uki View Post
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