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    Is there an official press release confirming a season 2 ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lokus View Post
    Is there an official press release confirming a season 2 ?
    They've officially stated there will be 50+ episodes
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lokus View Post
    Oh there is plenty of shows about heroes fighting villains in a fantasy setting . They actually have writers and producers who put those shows before their own personal beliefs and social views . SHE RA was an amazing icon and example of empowered femininity possibly even more so than Wonder Woman and that was spitefully stripped from her . It is okay to be both a successful and beautiful woman with an hourglass figure .

    Things like this have consequences , for example NO SEASON 2 ? , NO TOYS ? . Probably already happened .

    I have yet to see Netflix committing to a season 2 or Mattel producing anything . Congrats Mikey , you won
    Yeah they're really pushing their gay agenda with a pair of glorified extras (sarcasm).

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    Wow that was a genius response. You totally nailed it bro (sarcasm) . News Flash. Guys like seeing 2 girls kissing on screen .

    If someone makes a " Whats , your beef with this show thread " , I might list some reasons but it will have nothing to do with a pair of minor characters who already had some sort of relationship in the 80,s . I think you are the only person thinking about Net and Spin , you keep using them as an example .

    Just because i like this show and would like see it continue , does not mean i have to like everything about it . I can fully enjoy this show regardless of whatever you think i am moaning about .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lokus View Post
    Wow that was a genius response. You totally nailed it bro (sarcasm) . News Flash. Guys like seeing 2 girls kissing on screen .

    If someone makes a " Whats , your beef with this show thread " , I might list some reasons but it will have nothing to do with a pair of minor characters who already had some sort of relationship in the 80,s . I think you are the only person thinking about Net and Spin , you keep using them as an example .

    Just because i like this show and would like see it continue , does not mean i have to like everything about it . I can fully enjoy this show regardless of whatever you think i am moaning about .
    My point is that people on both sides argue about the LGBTQ stuff as if it's some huge part of the show when in reality it's barely even a factor in the show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Dalek View Post
    My point is that people on both sides argue about the LGBTQ stuff as if it's some huge part of the show when in reality it's barely even a factor in the show.
    I know I'm happy with the new series, with or without the LGBTQ aspects.

    I have to ask though, without getting into Tar Swamp territory, why do people (and said "guys" especially) only like seeing two girls kissing on screen, a kiss between two people in love (a heterosexual or a homosexual couple) is beautiful regardless of who and what gender is doing the kissing.
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    I do not need He-Man or Adam. However if/when (and they probably should eventually) get around to where Adora comes from, I can not see a way to do it satisfyingly if Eternia and her original family is not a part of it. If it is even so much as referenced, that is fine. But if they completely ignore the Eternia connection, (which they already have not), and/or ignore her origins, (which to date they are setting up what looks like an Eternian Origin to me with the flashbacks/baby kidnap) AND ignore what and where Grayskull is, (again, it's already shown to be at least something) I have a very hard time believing that.

    This does not neccessitate He-Man or Adam specifically appearing as a character. But if this show lasts, and if they explore her origins, they have to at least include him like how Supergirl includes Superman. He shows up, he is referenced, but the writers do a fantastic job of showing him as a supporting character and not overshadowing Supergirl.

    I expect, eventually, at least an explination of who she is and where she is from, if not actually exploring it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baronterror View Post
    I do not need He-Man or Adam. However if/when (and they probably should eventually) get around to where Adora comes from, I can not see a way to do it satisfyingly if Eternia and her original family is not a part of it. If it is even so much as referenced, that is fine. But if they completely ignore the Eternia connection, (which they already have not), and/or ignore her origins, (which to date they are setting up what looks like an Eternian Origin to me with the flashbacks/baby kidnap) AND ignore what and where Grayskull is, (again, it's already shown to be at least something) I have a very hard time believing that.

    This does not neccessitate He-Man or Adam specifically appearing as a character. But if this show lasts, and if they explore her origins, they have to at least include him like how Supergirl includes Superman. He shows up, he is referenced, but the writers do a fantastic job of showing him as a supporting character and not overshadowing Supergirl.

    I expect, eventually, at least an explination of who she is and where she is from, if not actually exploring it.
    I agree. I don't need He-Man to show up in the series - after all this show is about She-Ra; I'm happy for her to learn she has a family and where she's from. I think it'll be legitimately cool for Adora to realise that she is, in fact, a princess from birth
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    Quote Originally Posted by baronterror View Post

    This does not neccessitate He-Man or Adam specifically appearing as a character. But if this show lasts, and if they explore her origins, they have to at least include him like how Supergirl includes Superman. He shows up, he is referenced, but the writers do a fantastic job of showing him as a supporting character and not overshadowing Supergirl.
    I expect, eventually, at least an explination of who she is and where she is from, if not actually exploring it.

    My thoughts exactly, its She-Ra's turn this time and age, but just a cameo or a reference to the Power of Grayskull / Hordak's rebel student would be very fun to incorporate into this peculiar animated universe and series. After all 200x completely ignored all of Etheria and the Rebellion part from the classic myth so it would make sense for Netflix's reboot do their own thing



    On a second thought, I know legally are two separate IPs but realistically how come She-Ra may have legs to stand on its own without an He-Man reference / without mentioning the fundamental relationship she has with her twin brother Adam for 4 seasons? plus The She-Ra would be just wasted to fight the Horde solely on Etheria, she's destined to fight them and more Evil across all parts of the Universe! heck! she's still the most powerful woman in the Universe or you confirm solely just in the one created by Stevenson & crew? any hint?



    I only hope it will succeed among new generations. Just that. If not we RIOT lol
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    I don't like that Noelle Stevenson decided He-Man will not be a part of the story. Not because I'm a great He-Man fan, I always liked She-Ra better but because he is part of Adora´s origins. Adora is Princess Adora from Eternia, daughter of Randor and Marlena and sister to Prince Adam. I don't want that to change. Sometimes we wish we are not who we are but we would miss our real parents or the people that we call family, they are part of who we are. If they don't wanna show He-Man, ok, just say Prince Adam is on a mission off world and show a picture of him hanging in some hall of the Eternian Palace. But to change everything? I don't like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tornadobr View Post
    I don't like that Noelle Stevenson decided He-Man will not be a part of the story. Not because I'm a great He-Man fan, I always liked She-Ra better but because he is part of Adora´s origins. Adora is Princess Adora from Eternia, daughter of Randor and Marlena and sister to Prince Adam. I don't want that to change. Sometimes we wish we are not who we are but we would miss our real parents or the people that we call family, they are part of who we are. If they don't wanna show He-Man, ok, just say Prince Adam is on a mission off world and show a picture of him hanging in some hall of the Eternian Palace. But to change everything? I don't like that.
    I don't think Noelle is erasing He-Man from the She-Ra mythos, just indicating that he won't necessarily be appearing in the new show like he did in the old one. Grayskull and Eternia clearly are still very much part of the new cartoon. I'm willing to bet Adora will learn of her family and brother closer to the series finale...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheshire Moon View Post
    I don't think Noelle is erasing He-Man from the She-Ra mythos, just indicating that he won't necessarily be appearing in the new show like he did in the old one. Grayskull and Eternia clearly are still very much part of the new cartoon. I'm willing to bet Adora will learn of her family and brother closer to the series finale...
    Yeah that is the same impression I have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly View Post
    I don't think He-Man would fit well with the Netflix She-Ra, so I am fine about that. I don't think the creative people behind the new cartoon get how to present a non-comical, heroic, human male. Mattel said at Power-Con that He-Man would not be in it.
    I am happy to hear that. I am not a fan of the way men seem to be portrayed in a lot of new media. Men are not bumbling oafs - LOL!
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    Personally, I love seeing strong women who can hold their own without necessarily needing a man around to save them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey View Post
    Personally, I love seeing strong women who can hold their own without necessarily needing a man around to save them.
    And why do you relate He-Man with this?

    He-Man was never the savior of her, She-Ra never was the sidekick of him, they were a true team up and the power of love between brother and sister was the most important.
    It would great if this show would use that idea ,it would be ...progresive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heavy-eternium View Post
    And why do you relate He-Man with this?

    He-Man was never the savior of her, She-Ra never was the sidekick of him, they were a true team up and the power of love between brother and sister was the most important.
    It would great if this show would use that idea ,it would be ...progresive.
    I wasn't actually talking about the relationship between He-Man and She-Ra here, I meant strong women in general, and I do believe He-Man and She-Ra are equals which is why I love MOTU and POP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey View Post
    I wasn't actually talking about the relationship between He-Man and She-Ra here, I meant strong women in general, and I do believe He-Man and She-Ra are equals which is why I love MOTU and POP.
    If he did show up it would be best to treat them as equals and if they did that towards the end of the series it would be fine in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey View Post
    I wasn't actually talking about the relationship between He-Man and She-Ra here, I meant strong women in general, and I do believe He-Man and She-Ra are equals which is why I love MOTU and POP.
    Great!

    I think the He-Man introduce would be a huge promotion for the series ,it'd caught the media and more audience
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    Sorry to break it to you but Kyle is point out to be He-man for several clues given during the show. But as I have shown an image of season one easter eggs, I will mention season 2 easter eggs and nods.

    Season 2 clues:

    -Scorpia tells Kyle to “man” the parapets.
    -A machine created by Entrapta went mad when having Kyle next to him, And no, It was not a malfunction, Entrapta did not know what got into it. It saw something in Kyle.
    -Adora was taken by the horde and his name was implied to be having been made up. Why not create one for kyle then?
    -Bow’s parents stated that a “he-ra” had a battlecry of “For the honor of grayskrull!” Kind and he rode a dragon. Kyle has been paried with Rogelio, a GREEN LIZARD GUY! (Battle lizard, maybe?)


    Not much else is given, but recently in the SCC panel it was pointed out that in another series or media Kyle could have been the EVERY-man hero but did not get to be special here, for now he is just “Kyle”.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lukeMGH View Post
    Sorry to break it to you but Kyle is point out to be He-man for several clues given during the show. But as I have shown an image of season one easter eggs, I will mention season 2 easter eggs and nods.

    Season 2 clues:

    -Scorpia tells Kyle to “man” the parapets.
    -A machine created by Entrapta went mad when having Kyle next to him, And no, It was not a malfunction, Entrapta did not know what got into it. It saw something in Kyle.
    -Adora was taken by the horde and his name was implied to be having been made up. Why not create one for kyle then?
    -Bow’s parents stated that a “he-ra” had a battlecry of “For the honor of grayskrull!” Kind and he rode a dragon. Kyle has been paried with Rogelio, a GREEN LIZARD GUY! (Battle lizard, maybe?)


    Not much else is given, but recently in the SCC panel it was pointed out that in another series or media Kyle could have been the EVERY-man hero but did not get to be special here, for now he is just “Kyle”.

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    Nah

    - Manning the parapets is an expression that means to put a man on the parapets, the robot attacked Kyle because Kyle gets the short end in every situation, Shadow Weaver may have made up Adora's name but there's no clarity regarding that yet, Bow's dads state that She-Ra was actually called He-ra which is a throwback to the original series development when She-Ra was going to be called He-ra but the copyright fell through because of Hercules having a mother named Hera (correct me if I'm wrong here) and they also state that her battlecry was "By the Power of Grayskull" which is clearly a wink at He-Man fans but has no relation whatsoever to Kyle - personally I don't ever want to see Kyle riding about on Rogelio... I think you may really want Kyle to be He-man but he is just written as an everyman. I may be wrong but I really hope Kyle stays Kyle.
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    One of the main reasons I love She-Ra is because she teaches women and girls to rely on their own inner strength without requiring a man around to aid her. Men and women should be equal, but no man should ever dominate a woman.
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    As said before the introduction of He-Man in this show could be considered as a need now.

    I surprises the few numbers of views that the new trailer has got since its release at comic con, it's almost a niche series.
    He-Man would give the series the masivity and the buzz needed.

    I would love an animated features film called "The secret of the swordS" .
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    I think that any appearance by He-Man would be linked to Adora finding her way home, which is a major story. So they’re not going to give that away by saying in an interview “He-Man? Yeah, he appears in the cliffhanger at the end of season 4”


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    Umm forget HeMan who has enjoyed 3 series already .

    This new She Ra is missing at least a dozen characters from the POP series . Sure we all love HeMan but why should he get first choice over Modulok or Peek a Blue ?

    Also the FIRST ONES are very different advanced alien tech Eternians and possibly extinct . The classic HeMan image does not fit .

    I dunno about you guys but i would rather have no HeMan than some cyborg taking orders from a hologram AI calling herself sorceress .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toymaker View Post
    I think that any appearance by He-Man would be linked to Adora finding her way home, which is a major story. So they’re not going to give that away by saying in an interview “He-Man? Yeah, he appears in the cliffhanger at the end of season 4”
    I think it's more to do with Mattel's unwillingness to finally ditch the stupid separation between the IPs of He-Man and She-Ra, which are totally separate with respect to copyrights and licensing because Mattel is a toy company with toy-company mentality and originally She-Ra was developed as a doll line for girls, intended to imitate/replicate the success of the He-Man action figure line for boys. But, because of the incredible sexism that still remains in the toy industry, it was never intended that girls would play with "action figures" nor that boys would play with "girlie dolls". So they marketed and licensed the He-Man line and the spinoff She-Ra line as two completely separate things, and their connection was only really established in the Filmation cartoon.

    It appears that Mattel had other plans for the He-Man side of things (most importantly, the new movie with Sony) while DreamWorks was working on the new She-Ra, and it appears they didn't want to allow two different versions of (a unified) MotU to run in parallel, and they (and/or the creative teams of each project) were unwilling to work with a single unified canon (à la MotUC canon) that both projects would rely on. So apparently they told the She-Ra team that the He-Man side of things was basically off-limits for them and that, while some general references to the overall mythology were allowed, use of the "non-She-Ra" characters (and particularly of He-Man) was to be avoided and that they should focus and concentrate on the She-Ra side of things.
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