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    The he-men before he-man

    I forget about their names.
    I think motuC made those ideas or?


    They came after king grayskul
    One was Wun-dar? Right?
    There was also a woman wjo tuened into he man if i am right


    Not sure.

    Can anyone help?

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    Vikor was one of the first. "He-Man of the North", he was active not long after the death of King Grayskull, and faced down many horrible threats, including (but not limited to!) The Crimson Countess.

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    Shortly thereafter, He-Ra stepped into action.

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    Although as far as I know, she never actually laid hands on the actual Power Sword, she did do a tremendous service to the forces of good, by helping to prevent King Hsss and his Snake Men from escaping their imprisonment in the Void. He-Ra's paternal grandfather is He-Ro, and her maternal grandfather is King Grayskull, so to say that she has "got it going on", legacy-wise, is something of an understatement!

    After this, there is a HUGE blank spot in our knowledge of the historic men of He. Literally thousands of years pass, without a single name or memorable action being acknowledged.

    About 50 years before the birth of Prince Adam, Vykron puts in his appearance.

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    While a worthy and versatile combatant, Vykron is also known to have never gotten anywhere near the Sword of Power, and his most famous footnote is the way he died, torn in two in Choloh's Vine Jungle arena by the vicious Gygor.

    Then: Oo-Larr!

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    Operating for a brief period just before the birth of Prince Adam, this savage jungle "He-Man" made sure that a lot of the earliest Masters of The Universe stories were able to remain "canon" in an all-encompassing MoTU mythos.

    And then, of course, came Prince Adam himself. And after him, his son, Dare, the Second He-Ro.

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    If there are any others I'm forgetting, I'm sure that someone else will be able to fill you in.

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    Well, if you go by the Classics biographies, you had Vikor just after King Grayskull's death, and Wun-Dar 100 years before Prince Adam. Vykron came later (50 years before Adam), but he's not really mentioned as a He-Man, so he might not count.

    But probably the most important was Oo-Larr, who held the title right before Prince Adam. (This character, of course, was the real He-Man in the early minicomics.)

    Personally I don't like the biographies, but there is obvious merit in trying to define a lineage of He-Man warriors.

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    Thanks both

    Very very much


    I dont like the idea of other he man.
    It's weird and confuses me.

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    I would love only our he man and king grayskull.


    King grayskulls backstory should be: Oo-Larr


    He's a barbarian. Lives in the jungle. Does not know he is a king. Fights demo-man ectr


    Rescues green goddess. She trains him and then he found out he is the lost son of a grayskull king or something like this


    Then the story we all know starts

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    I like the idea, but the timeline for the bios was far too compacted. It should have been hundreds or 1000s of years between He-Men, so that the tales were largely lost to history in all but vague descriptions.

    You definitely might want to add He-Ro in there as well. He's before/ alongside King Grayskull, but he is part of the mythos.
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    I would love a Wun-dar comic.

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    I would really enjoy a Vikor 1-shot. I would also like to see Oo-lar, still alive and well, come out of 'retirement' to help in a new story. In my world, not every previous He-Man must die tragically.

    Actually, a mini series or ongoing about previous He-Men could be pretty cool. Imagine the new characters!
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    Two "Hemen" who we havent gotten yet who I think deserve a spot would be
    Torak
    torak.jpg

    and Tony Guerrero He-man aka "Megaton" (unused heman name from when the line was still in development)
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    Quote Originally Posted by facet View Post
    Two "Hemen" who we havent gotten yet who I think deserve a spot would be
    Torak
    torak.jpg

    and Tony Guerrero He-man aka "Megaton" (unused heman name from when the line was still in development)
    tg heman.jpg
    Yes, I think that a Tony Guerrero He-Man would be awesome... and, well overdue.

    Also, wasn't a thread already started for this very topic a bit ago?
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    Quote Originally Posted by facet View Post
    Two "Hemen" who we havent gotten yet who I think deserve a spot would be
    Torak
    torak.jpg

    and Tony Guerrero He-man aka "Megaton" (unused heman name from when the line was still in development)
    tg heman.jpg


    Megaton??


    Never heard of.
    Tell us more please

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ornclown View Post
    Yes, I think that a Tony Guerrero He-Man would be awesome... and, well overdue.

    Also, wasn't a thread already started for this very topic a bit ago?
    Yes there was

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayk View Post
    Megaton??


    Never heard of.
    Tell us more please

    Page 11 of the power and honor foundation book had a unused name for the character called megaton, I’ll send a photo when I get home

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    Thank you

    Please do it :-)

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    Great compilation so far. I'm in for an all-inclusive lineage of he-men, and not only the material from Classics. So I definitely include Tony Guerrero's He-man (let's call him Megaton then), Mark Taylor's Torak, He-Ro, King Grayskull himself, and if we're going this road, I would include Roger Sweet's Vykron as well, that character deserves the title since the toyline started based on that prototype (I never liked the treatment that the character got in Classics, just an irrelevant gladiator). And of course, Wun-dar and He-Ro II.
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    Quote Originally Posted by facet View Post
    and Tony Guerrero He-man aka "Megaton" (unused heman name from when the line was still in development)
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    Isn't this what became Vikor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arek Brimstone View Post
    Isn't this what became Vikor?
    I may be wrong, but I think I read somewhere that Vikor was a sketch by Mark Taylor, while the figure named in this thread as Megaton was a prototype made by Tony Guerrero on behalf of Roger Sweet. Of course, all of them tried to depict the concept of the new hero that would become He-Man, but I think both came from different artists as ideas to represent same character..
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    Quote Originally Posted by man-at-work View Post
    I may be wrong, but I think I read somewhere that Vikor was a sketch by Mark Taylor, while the figure named in this thread as Megaton was a prototype made by Tony Guerrero on behalf of Roger Sweet. Of course, all of them tried to depict the concept of the new hero that would become He-Man, but I think both came from different artists as ideas to represent same character..
    You are correct sir. He also created the character who later became known as Demo-Man...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayk View Post
    The he-men before he-man
    I forget about their names.
    I think motuC made those ideas or?
    Like Snake_Man said. One important thing in MOTUClassics lore. Is that while those He-Men were there to protect the half-sword. It was Prince Adam who actually tapped into the power of the (now) whole Powersword and became He-Man.
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    Sorry for the crappy photo it was megaton man but think megaton will suffice
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    Thank you very very much


    Dont get why he was never mentioned in both netflix docus

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    Not sure honestly forgotten part of history maybe

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    Quote Originally Posted by man-at-work View Post
    I may be wrong, but I think I read somewhere that Vikor was a sketch by Mark Taylor, while the figure named in this thread as Megaton was a prototype made by Tony Guerrero on behalf of Roger Sweet. Of course, all of them tried to depict the concept of the new hero that would become He-Man, but I think both came from different artists as ideas to represent same character..
    Ah, okay. Thanks!

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    So it was like this ?
    The history of creating he man


    1. Mark Taylors Thorak

    2. Rodger Sweets Vikron

    3. Rodger Sweets and Tony Guerreros Megator

    4. Mark Taylor's Vikor


    Then:

    5. Ooh lar

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayk View Post
    So it was like this ?
    The history of creating he man


    1. Mark Taylors Thorak

    2. Rodger Sweets Vikron

    3. Rodger Sweets and Tony Guerreros Megator

    4. Mark Taylor's Vikor


    Then:

    5. Ooh lar
    After some researching, this is what I think is the correct order:

    1. The original wielder of the sword of He es He-Ro.
    2. Then the sword is handed over to King Grayskull.

    And now we try to invent a chronology based on actual precedence of concepts for the real toy figure:
    3. Torak (Mark Taylor, 1979)
    4. Vikor (Mark Taylor, don't know the year, but this was actually a sketch for the Conan toy line aborted at Mattel, but this sketch inspired the barbarian theme for He-Man)
    5. Vykron (Roger Sweet, 1981)
    6. Tony Guerrero's sculpt (this was a late prototype that even was almost stolen by a boy participating in the user acceptance test for this concept, the line was already about to be produced)

    Back to the story as taken from bios:
    7. Wun-dar supposedly appeared after the vintage line was in the market, but story-wise he's prior to Oo-Larr
    8. Oo-Larr's bio clearly state he was the last of the He-Men before Adam.

    9. Prince Adam
    10. He-Ro II (Dare)
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    I'd love to find out what happened to Oo-Lar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by man-at-work View Post
    After some researching, this is what I think is the correct order:

    1. The original wielder of the sword of He es He-Ro.
    2. Then the sword is handed over to King Grayskull.

    And now we try to invent a chronology based on actual precedence of concepts for the real toy figure:
    3. Torak (Mark Taylor, 1979)
    4. Vikor (Mark Taylor, don't know the year, but this was actually a sketch for the Conan toy line aborted at Mattel, but this sketch inspired the barbarian theme for He-Man)
    5. Vykron (Roger Sweet, 1981)
    6. Tony Guerrero's sculpt (this was a late prototype that even was almost stolen by a boy participating in the user acceptance test for this concept, the line was already about to be produced)

    Back to the story as taken from bios:
    7. Wun-dar supposedly appeared after the vintage line was in the market, but story-wise he's prior to Oo-Larr
    8. Oo-Larr's bio clearly state he was the last of the He-Men before Adam.

    9. Prince Adam
    10. He-Ro II (Dare)
    Judging from the Bios, Vikor seems to come right after Grayskull.
    Torak ... can they use Torak? I don't know. But he gives off a stone age vibe, so I would actually put him in an age before Grayskull.
    And Vykron wasn't a He-Man at all, just a gladiator.

    (In my personal canon, I have Oo-Lar and Wun-Dar switched around era-wise, but that has nothing to do with classics.)

    I'm not completely comfortable with calling all the guardians of the sword He-Men, but it's what Mattel did, so I will go with it, I think.
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