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    Quote Originally Posted by davelove81 View Post
    This thread
    okay, to summarise.
    this thread contains the claim "there are no gay superheroes". I have provided 50 that a person who needs to see themselves represented can go and throw their money at. If batwoman or young avengers isn't selling a million copies a month who's fault is that?
    It also contains the claim "there is no evidence of he man being straight. I have provided examples of him being straight dating back to the earliest dc comics, mini comics and culminating In his wedding to Teela.
    Last but not least it contains the claim" there is no reason for him to be straight, and many people have voiced many reasons why he should be straight, ranging from Canon and established mythology to avoiding "woke" controversy and respecting the gay community by putting the effort into making an all new gay character.
    The only thing this thread doesn't contain is a reason why making he man gay would benefit the franchise or improve the character in any way.
    I understand representation is important but so is respecting the source material
    They ignore facts because it doesn't match their agena.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khev View Post
    And preferably all three. Thank God I have the entire Filmation series for both He-Man and She-Ra because it'll clearly never get any better than those.
    Not against them being represented at all, I just don't like the idea of changing established characters...for the most part to accomplish it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark M View Post
    Not against them being represented at all, I just don't like the idea of changing established characters...for the most part to accomplish it.
    I think that's the stance of most reasonable people but companies seem to love going broke these days so you never know what they'll do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam_Prince of Eternia View Post
    The sword of identity politics cuts both ways. The problem is you only see it as "identity politics" when it favors an identity that is not yours.

    Moreover, this entire post reads like one big tantrum. Throwing around terms like "shaming" and "toxic" makes you sound like a SJW of another kind.

    Do you have an actual argument, or are you going to pout some more?
    Keep proving my point.

    You're disingenuous. I called out yours and others behaviour and listed a couple of arguments and your reply was "nuh uh, you are" and predictably ignore any argument made. Your best comeback is "you're as bad as us". I don't think so, but I'm not going waste my time trying to change your mind.
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    I hate you. So much.

    In regards to my speculation on who Teela's real father is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Masamune View Post
    Keep proving my point.

    You're disingenuous. I called out yours and others behaviour and listed a couple of arguments and your reply was "nuh uh, you are" and predictably ignore any argument made. Your best comeback is "you're as bad as us". I don't think so, but I'm not going waste my time trying to change your mind.
    Yeah, it's not worth it. You can't change what's set in stone. “I cannot teach anybody anything. I can only make them think”
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    I'm with those who dislike changes to the source material. Instead of co-opting what's already there, create something new. That's equality. Otherwise, it's just a cheap imitation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark M View Post
    They ignore facts because it doesn't match their agena.





    Quote Originally Posted by Masamune View Post
    Keep proving my point.

    You're disingenuous. I called out yours and others behaviour and listed a couple of arguments and your reply was "nuh uh, you are" and predictably ignore any argument made. Your best comeback is "you're as bad as us". I don't think so, but I'm not going waste my time trying to change your mind.
    You did not make an argument, you made an improper appeal to the character and motives of the people making arguments you do not like. And I did not ignore the comment, I addressed it directly. Your response was to double-down on the original appeal. So who is being disingenuous again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam_Prince of Eternia View Post
    LOL. BTW I just mean the majority SJWs in general on certain issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam_Prince of Eternia View Post
    The only victim card I have seen pulled is by the poor, oppressed majority whose precious characters are being changed in ways that make them uncomfortable. They cannot articulate or put forth a reasonable argument why, but have you considered their feelings?
    Yeah it is uncomfortable, smells like bad porn and a terrible joke.
    If he-man would be gay from the tart he would never ever ever be so popular today, so i find it very rude when you want to change that now when this brand earned succes by not being gay, its very selfish that gay people want to ride someone elses fame and take credit for all the hard work that was put into the brand for a lot of years and turn it into gay oriented show when even original incarnations never mentioned who he-man makes love to , kids dont care and shouldnt care.Thats just plain wrong on all levels when people want to inject that just because they fight for their right to be gay, you can be gay that fine but stay away from estabilished properties.
    If he-man would be gay from the start and earned his tody status then thats fine but he did not earned it by being gay or by being straight, kids did not care who he makes love to, its grownup fans that behave very strange these days and want to mould / mutate something to their liking, can you be more selfish than that.Just be an artist, create your own gay heroes, eveyrone can draw, gay people too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuc98 View Post
    Well…when you've been knocked down continually your entire life and suddenly within the last 10 years given equal rights…people in that said group tend to feel like maybe, just maybe it'd be okay being represented somehow. Clearly some people feel threatened.
    yeah well im not threatened. that's just you trying to insult me. please help me understand why the hell i need to know or care about who someone likes to get naked with and ****? why do we need to know this? that is the ONLY thing thats being said when someone says im gay. they are saying NOTHING about themselves as a person or their character or what they may or may not be qualified for. whenever i see someone banging the "gay" drum they get tuned out because they are reducing themselves to an absolutely irrelevant aspect of their life. and they are doing it solely to call attention to themselves for being proud or courageous. its all a bit stupid and childish to feel the need to announce your sexuality unless it is somehow a relevant topic in the moment. im sorry if they've been made fun of and treated to feel like they are broken. but...too bad. it happened. it can't un-happen. time to move on. stop living in the past. living in the past is a ridiculous waste of time. i will never participate in any of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrillhouse View Post
    I really hate when characters are changed for no reason. Just keep the character as they were in the original source material. You wouldn't change his name, his sex, his powers or his colour, so why change anything else. And I guarantee if any of what I mentioned was changed, fans would fly off the handle. Not just MOTU, but any franchise.

    On a related note, why when a male character is made female, white character made black or straight character made gay, we are told it's equality and diversity and we are the bad guys for opposing it?
    Yet if a female is turned male, black is turned white or gay made straight it's the producers being sexist, racist or homophobic?

    And I am not sexist, racist or homophobic, before anyone lets loose on me. Im just sick of unnecessary changes that don't benefit the story, and only exist for the filmmakers to say "See how diverse we are?"
    This, pretty much this exactly

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    A bunch of related quotes I am putting here all in one place.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark M View Post
    I don't know what super hero comics you have been reading but there are quite a few gay super heroes but granted none shown in movies.
    Proving my point.

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    Moot point see above.

    Quote Originally Posted by davelove81 View Post
    the claim "there is no evidence of he man being straight. I have provided examples of him being straight dating back to the earliest dc comics, mini comics and culminating In his wedding to Teela
    See comment 213 posted on July 8thI countered by saying "Before the modern acceptance movement homosexuals were NOT out and proud like they are today. They were often forced into the closet and pressured by society into straight relationships and adopting a straight identity."

    There was systemic oppression in real life. Nobody wants to talk about it because it is the elephant in the room. Gay people always existed but they were invisible. Nobody knew because they were in the closet and had straight identities. It is not ancient history either but something that existed in our own lifetimes. That very real oppression could have translated into the comic and TV show.

    Why does Prince Adam wear pastels? Why is he overly kind and soft? Why doesn't he have any biological children despite being married in some canon? He prefers the company of women. These are signs of closeted homosexuality.

    Quote Originally Posted by davelove81 View Post
    The only thing this thread doesn't contain is a reason why making he man gay would benefit the franchise or improve the character in any way.
    How about it adds complexity to what would otherwise be a one dimensional hero. If Prince Adam was a closeted gay man then he is more than just a hero but a victim of oppression as well. That is called depth of character.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark M View Post
    They ignore facts because it doesn't match their agenda.
    I didn't ignore the facts. It was my reply that got ignored. Twice. Maybe three times a charm.

    Quote Originally Posted by Adam_Prince of Eternia View Post
    Fifty super heroes I never heard of; none of whom have movies. Maybe I don't understand the irony but I didn't think it warranted a response.

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    That's the problem throughout the entire entertainment industry in a nutshell though . I provided 50 superheroes you've never heard of because the sjws who demand representation then fail to support the media . They were all major dc and marvel characters , surely you've heard of Iceman , batwoman , hercules , hulkling ? If these comics sold by the bucketload youd have movies about those character's . Batwoman is starting on the cw soon , will you be watching that or would you rather they'd have just made Batman start sleeping with Robin ? And all the stuff you said about Adam was part of his secret identity , just like clark kents mild manners, awkwardness and clumsiness , it was to " disguise " the fact that he was this big fearless macho hero . Which only further proves my point that he man should not be gay , as every " sign " of him being a " closeted homosexual" was put there to throw his friends and enemies off the fact that he was " the most powerful man in the universe " . It's not an attack on your sexuality to want to preserve the integrity of the characters history


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    Quote Originally Posted by InThe80s View Post
    I didn't ignore the facts. It was my reply that got ignored. Twice. Maybe three times a charm.
    I was not meaning anyone in particular on the forum. I meant a lot of SJWs in general ignore the facts om various issues.

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    wow.... Reading some of this as a gay Guy is something.

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    My opinions are just that, I'm not trying to offend anyone. It's just frustrating presenting facts, being dismissed with conjecture and going around in the same old circle. I'm pretty much done with this topic now, my final thought is that being gay isn't special or unique, I treat my gay and straight friends equally, and if this topic was " could he man have a British accent in a new media adaptation" my responses would have pretty much been the same. In fact not many of the cartoons I watched and loved growing up had British people in prominent roles, except maybe Alfred from batman.... Maybe I should start a hashtag
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    Quote Originally Posted by InThe80s View Post


    How about it adds complexity to what would otherwise be a one dimensional hero. If Prince Adam was a closeted gay man then he is more than just a hero but a victim of oppression as well. That is called depth of character.

    Sorry, but what? How do we know anything about sexuality on Eternia? Why in this world would you just assume that he would be a victim of opression because of his sexual orientation. Exactly this forced real-life projection onto escapism fantasy/sci-fi is what angers so many people and is just nonsensical. And how exactly does that change anything and what message does it convey specifically? You are gay but hey you are a hero so we now like and accept you?

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    This is Silly, I don't think He-Man will ever be oppressed over sexuality. Trust me, back stories with being a victim of a closeted guy is going to rub people in a wrong way. People going to accuse this over an agenda being a victim of oppression instead of focusing the storyline or strengthen the back story.

    That's like saying Thor should be homosexual because he look masculine and have a deep voice, well it is possible because most of the time he's in the Earth working for Avengers.

    NOT QUITE MY TEMPO

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    Quote Originally Posted by davelove81 View Post
    That's the problem throughout the entire entertainment industry in a nutshell though . I provided 50 superheroes you've never heard of because the sjws who demand representation then fail to support the media . They were all major dc and marvel characters , surely you've heard of Iceman , batwoman , hercules , hulkling ? If these comics sold by the bucketload youd have movies about those character's . Batwoman is starting on the cw soon , will you be watching that or would you rather they'd have just made Batman start sleeping with Robin ? And all the stuff you said about Adam was part of his secret identity , just like clark kents mild manners, awkwardness and clumsiness , it was to " disguise " the fact that he was this big fearless macho hero . Which only further proves my point that he man should not be gay , as every " sign " of him being a " closeted homosexual" was put there to throw his friends and enemies off the fact that he was " the most powerful man in the universe " . It's not an attack on your sexuality to want to preserve the integrity of the characters history


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    Three of the four characters you listed were straight in their previous iterations, so that supports the opposite argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam_Prince of Eternia View Post
    Three of the four characters you listed were straight in their previous iterations, so that supports the opposite argument.
    I didn't say changing them was a good thing , I said these" progressive "characters aren't being supported .and while I don't know the history of every single marvel and DC hero , I'm very sure Iceman and hulkling never had a lois lane or teela that fans had to just forget about .

    Think about what you said in this topic about you loving super friends, but being blonde, the other neighbourhood kids wouldn't let you be superman. (poor aquaman BTW). you found representation in he man who was also blonde. As daft as that sounds, your logic in this thread leads to superman dying his hair, my logic is make a new character, which got you your he man. Now stop quoting me Ive said everything I can In this thread and I'm done

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    This thread seems to be going in circles lately with people just arguing the same points back & forth, so we are shutting down this thread. If we get enough requests to open it back up via PM, we may reconsider. There is also the option of opening up a thread in the Tar Swamp if one wants a little less restrictive of a discussion on the topic. Thanks.

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