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    As has been stated multiple times in this thread, please talk about the show and not each other. Also, topics of a more political nature need to be discussed in the Tar Swamp forum (which access can be gained through a request to the administrator). Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MCX-Eternia View Post
    Didn't this only start with Ghostbusters?
    Though I suppose that even if the only examples were that and Star Wars, the latter by itself was so huge in the English-speaking world as to put geeks on guard against every single continuation or reboot of an old property replacing the male hero.
    While Star Wars handled it poorly I think it's worth noting that the idea of the sequel trilogy having a female protagonist, goes as far back as when Lucas was working on the original trilogy (was actualy the original plan for Luke's sister) and that before selling the brand Lucas' plan was for the sequel trilogy to have a female protagonist called Kira (who obviously got reworked into Rey).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam_Prince of Eternia View Post
    If you understand this:

    Then you should not have these concerns:

    The number of people willing to accept misinformation from click-bait reactionaries on YouTube is disheartening.
    Just because a piece of reporting feeds into the outrage machine doesn't mean that it is automatically false. A lot of the stuff about Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker turned out to be 100% true.

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    3.3M on YouTube this morning. Hopefully Netflix sees the value MotU still holds and they double down with another season for Revelation or get that movie back on track.

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    The original show did a good job with the core group of characters, but there are a lot of potential stories to explore in greater detail including multiple ones for Teela due to most cartoons not having big continuous storylines back in the 80s. Teela becoming the Sorceress and finding out about Adam's secret were always big potential storylines. This show comes out in about a month and is already made, so what is done is done. I'm betting it will be a good show. With this being the first Masters show in about 20 years, I would have maybe preferred a first season not potentially sidelining He-Man if one is to believe the rumors for another character regardless of who it is (Teela, Man-At-Arms, Orko, etc.). That said, even if the rumors are true of He-Man not being in a few episodes, it doesn't mean the show can't be good. Hopefully,this show is successful and we get many more seasons.

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    Haven't checked here in a while.

    The trailer was so good, that I didn't expect how skeptical this thread would have been.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MegaGearMax View Post
    The synopsis is about part one only.
    If I can speculate a bit...I'm presuming the second half isn't exactly finished/picture-locked just yet...so it's possible with all the spin Kevin put out on twitter overnight that there may be some rewrites/course-corrections going on with eps 6-10 to appease the fanbase?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cameron Samurai View Post
    If I can speculate a bit...I'm presuming the second half isn't exactly finished/picture-locked just yet...so it's possible with all the spin Kevin put out on twitter overnight that there may be some rewrites/course-corrections going on with eps 6-10 to appease the fanbase?
    Wouldn't be possible with this kind of animation.

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    Netflix put out a closer look with Kevin where he says the Revelation is Teela finding out He-Man is Prince Adam and they play with the fallout of that.

    Ugh....I hope they don't dwell on that much. The secret identity reveal and betrayal other characters may feel is so utterly played out at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Epicasino View Post
    Really liked the art and animation, hated the song they chose... Don't get me wrong, it's not that I hate the song itself, but I think the teaser deserved some epic heroic instrumental original music like the one we heard in that Kevin Smith video from a few months back. The music really ruined it for me, like I said I enjoyed the visuals, but not having epic music from the show turned it into a bit of a joke.
    I think the song, as cheesy as it was, fit perfectly because He-Man, like everything else in the 1980s was cheesy 🧀. Lol. And I mean that in a good way. With that said, it was just the music for the trailer. I don't believe they would be that outrageous for the song the to be the theme song to the series. If that was the case, then I would think that was too much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smitty.81 View Post
    I can think of a hand full of Filiation episodes where He-Man or Prince Adam is lost captured or otherwise incapacitated and Teela or another character has to save the day. Hell, there's even one where his mommy has to come save him. this will be like that but longer.
    Except those were just a handful of random episodes out of 130. He-Man is supposed to be the main character. If you want a female-led Masters of the Universe show then go watch She-Ra. Speaking of which, if they made a She-Ra show where she was sidelined in favour of making Bow the main character, I highly doubt that would go over too well with many people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GP Legend View Post
    Except those were just a handful of random episodes out of 130. He-Man is supposed to be the main character. If you want a female-led Masters of the Universe show then go watch She-Ra. Speaking of which, if they made a She-Ra show where she was sidelined in favour of making Bow the main character, I highly doubt that would go over too well with many people.
    That's just the ones I can think of...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MegaGearMax View Post
    Hell, the show could disprove every rumored point and the detractors would STILL find things to hate about it.
    This.
    I知 pretty sure no matter what we get, someone will feel hurt and the click-baiters will bait. Social media has turned everyone into an expert and a critic and undoubtedly, they are right...always. Of course, I知 right too

    I知 giving myself permission to love this show no matter what. I知 going to enjoy every minute of it without criticizing every little detail(maybe later on) I知 going to have a watch party for one, make a cake in my He-Man cake pan, make some Eternia-inspired cocktails and soak it in while I roll around In MOTU figures on my bed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratos88 View Post
    Netflix put out a closer look with Kevin where he says the Revelation is Teela finding out He-Man is Prince Adam and they play with the fallout of that.

    Ugh....I hope they don't dwell on that much. The secret identity reveal and betrayal other characters may feel is so utterly played out at this point.
    I've seen one Youtuber (a female), say that she hopes Teela draws on the core themes of empathy and nurturing that all women inherently have to come to an understanding and to encourage Adam, potentially feeling withdrawn and down, to pick up the pieces and take back the power.

    No way that'll happen

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    One thing I really like about the look of the characters is that even though it's spiritually a continuing the Filmation series, I like the fact the everyone looks more ore less like the MOTU Vintage and Classics toylines. The art is more dedicated to the toy figures. From Clawful looking like his action figure or Fisto's fist being the size of his action figure. He-Man's carrying his Power Sword ��️⚔️ in the strap of his harness the same way we use to do it with our He-Man figures. The Royal Guards blasting away with the rifles that came with Webstor and Castle Grayskull. Man-At-Arms blasting away at a bunch of Rotons with a Megalaser. Scare Glow! Clamp Champ! Skelcons!! Even with the new looks we have seen with Teela, Evil-Lyn, and Orko, at least we know the show up in their iconic toy looks. Who knows who else and what else will show up in this series. I hope everyone gets shoehorned in some way or another. ��. I wonder if it's a situation where Skeletor sends Adam back to Preternia and meets characters like He-Ro and the Priestess (Green Goddess?), so it's not that he's sidelined, but he's off in another timeline adventuring while the others try to get him back home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stratos88 View Post
    Just because a piece of reporting feeds into the outrage machine doesn't mean that it is automatically false. A lot of the stuff about Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker turned out to be 100% true.
    Consider the source. Their track record is abysmal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cameron Samurai View Post
    I've seen one Youtuber (a female), say that she hopes Teela draws on the core themes of empathy and nurturing that all women inherently have to come to an understanding and to encourage Adam, potentially feeling withdrawn and down, to pick up the pieces and take back the power.

    No way that'll happen
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    Quote Originally Posted by MegaGearMax View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly View Post
    The original show did a good job with the core group of characters, but there are a lot of potential stories to explore in greater detail including multiple ones for Teela due to most cartoons not having big continuous storylines back in the 80s. Teela becoming the Sorceress and finding out about Adam's secret were always big potential storylines. This show comes out in about a month and is already made, so what is done is done. I'm betting it will be a good show.
    Me too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly View Post
    With this being the first Masters show in about 20 years, I would have maybe preferred a first season not potentially sidelining He-Man if one is to believe the rumors for another character regardless of who it is (Teela, Man-At-Arms, Orko, etc.). That said, even if the rumors are true of He-Man not being in a few episodes, it doesn't mean the show can't be good. Hopefully,this show is successful and we get many more seasons.
    I agree.

    I think about Star Trek.... the show didn't try to give every single member aboard the Enterprise an in-depth story arc, but it also didn't focus solely on Captain Kirk.

    There was a small group of main characters who got to share development, screen time, dialogue, and story advancement - even though Kirk was always considered the "main" character.

    MOTU can follow this example easily with its small group of main players... Teela, not the least among them.
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    People are just concerned that the franchise they love is going to be given the same treatment that Star Wars, Star Trek, The Terminator,
    Dr Who all got and be effectively ruined.

    How are the toy sales and ratings of those franchises doing these days…

    Can you name a recently rebooted franchise that isn’t in a worse position than before current day Hollywood got hold of it? Maybe Sonic the Hedgehog, that’s the only one I can think of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ornclown View Post
    Me too.

    I agree.

    I think about Star Trek.... the show didn't try to give every single member aboard the Enterprise an in-depth story arc, but it also didn't focus solely on Captain Kirk.

    There was a small group of main characters who got to share development, screen time, dialogue, and story advancement - even though Kirk was always considered the "main" character.

    MOTU can follow this example easily with its small group of main players... Teela, not the least among them.
    Star-Trek (ToS) turned out the way it did mostly because of Leonard Nimoy who was always fighting with the producers at Desilu studios to give Spock more screen time. He threatened to quit the show multiple times if he didn't get his way and the producers gave in.

    The pendulum has swung hard in the opposite direction though. Every producer has delusions of making a "CiNemaTic uniVers3" by building up side characters and fans have to fight to see the main character. I have felt cheated ever since the '87 movie when He-Man was only in the film for 15 minutes and the movie was mostly about side characters nobody cared about and Earth teenagers with dead parents. Nobody cared then, and nobody cares now about that side crap now. We wanted He-Man. But Hollywood never learns. They will always try to ram stuff down fanbases' throats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ProteinNerd View Post
    People are just concerned that the franchise they love is going to be given the same treatment that Star Wars, Star Trek, The Terminator,
    Dr Who all got and be effectively ruined.

    How are the toy sales and ratings of those franchises doing these days…

    Can you name a recently rebooted franchise that isn’t in a worse position than before current day Hollywood got hold of it? Maybe Sonic the Hedgehog, that’s the only one I can think of.
    Star Trek Discovery's ratings have been good enough for Paramount to go whole hog and greenlight four additional series.

    The Star Wars movies have been successful, but they've had even greater success with The Madalorian.

    I'll grant you Doctor Who - but it's the poor writing that's killing it and even then, it's chugging along.

    Using the The Terminator isn't a great example because it's a franchise that's been rebooting and recycling itself since 2003.

    Being inclusive, celebrating diversity, promoting empathy? What's wrong with that? Why is it a problem that a character is portrayed as having a different sexuality than a previous incarnation? Why is there an issue with a character being re-imagined as someone that reflects a different kind of skin color? If only these aspects are changed, does that truly alter the character's core so completely? No.
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    Some sources from the trailer :

    Youtube :

    Netflix: 3.6m views
    IGN: 1.1m
    Netflix Brasil: 1.1m
    Netflix latin America: 520th

    Twitter:

    Netflix:1.8m
    Rotten tomates :540th
    Netflix Latin American: 425th
    Netflix Brazil: 415th

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    Quote Originally Posted by thew40 View Post
    Star Trek Discovery's ratings have been good enough for Paramount to go whole hog and greenlight four additional series.

    The Star Wars movies have been successful, but they've had even greater success with The Madalorian.

    I'll grant you Doctor Who - but it's the poor writing that's killing it and even then, it's chugging along.

    Using the The Terminator isn't a great example because it's a franchise that's been rebooting and recycling itself since 2003.


    I'm more than happy to answer the questions,

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    Quote Originally Posted by thew40 View Post
    Star Trek Discovery's ratings have been good enough for Paramount to go whole hog and greenlight four additional series.
    Rotten Tomatoes show ST Disco with a mere 41% user score which isn't at all good, Picard a little better with 55% and Lower Deck is actually higher than disco with 47%.

    Regarding ST Disco:
    "the show lost at least 1.347 million viewers in the course of 15 episodes. That’s almost a 60% loss in their audience from the season premiere."

    Season 2 of Star Trek: Discovery would follow the ratings of the finale of Season 1. The premiere episode would not appear on Numeris’ Top 30 chart for its premiere week.

    The second season would receive an even worse Audience Score than the first one on Rotten Tomatoes. It came in at 36% from 2,572 users. It had an average rating of 2.33 out of 5 stars."

    The production company that is responsible for Disco initially had a deal where half the production budget was paid by CBS but I believe CBS have now pulled out of that deal due to poor ratings.....thats why it initially got 4 seasons greenlit

    Quote Originally Posted by thew40 View Post

    The Star Wars movies have been successful
    Again, sorry but the numbers and ratings show the opposite.

    The Force Awakens made $936,662,225
    The Last Jedi made $620,181,382
    Rise of Skywalker made $515,202,542

    When the last move in your series makes just over half as much as the first episode in the trilogy, you can't say that is a healthy franchise.

    But yeah the Mandalorian was good, no arguments there, I really enjoyed that.

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