Masters of the Universe Revelation Netflix Series

I mean let people spend some time with the characters and then do what you did for a shock value and story. Could have worked for season 2.

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Originally Posted by Adam_Prince of Eternia

I really like what they have done with Cringer and Orko. Historically, they have been two of my least favorite characters, and they are really likeable in this.

I agree, that was an improvement.

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Originally Posted by Orko's Magic Hat

I've watched it twice (once whilst working)

I really like the show BUT Andra is so pointless, she doesn't add anything to the story.

She was a sight for sore eyes.

I do agree - and have said - that if this were Season 2 of a multi-season project, rather than the first MOTU cartoon in 20 years, I don't think any of the complaints people have would be all that applicable.

I do get the whole "I didn't wait 30 years for a MOTU show with no He-Man dag nabbit!" thing. This arc was a controversial choice to come roaring out of the gate with. But I feel like in a different context, some of these nuclear-strength complaints would be only minor nitpicks, even coming from the exact same people. I have no proof of that, but it's what my gut says.

I just feel like at some point, it's whatever. It's definitely not the show I would've done and it's not even the show I would have asked for, but I'm perfectly fine with what it is anyway.

Originally Posted by Stratos88

Evil-Lyn was phenomenal, the show should have been focused on her more than Teela.

She definitely turned out to be more interesting and likeable than Teela. I also was happy she wasn't LOUD.

I know that when content is original to streaming platforms like MOTU Revelations is, the less likely it is (but not necessarily impossible) it is to get a DVD/Blu-Ray release. But I REALLY hope this does get one.

For the heck of it, I did a mock up of a possible Blu-Ray case for Season 1, because I at least wanted to see what it could look like, even if it never happens...

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

I know that when content is original to streaming platforms like MOTU Revelations is, the less likely it is (but not necessarily impossible) it is to get a DVD/Blu-Ray release. But I REALLY hope this does get one.

For the heck of it, I did a mock up of a possible Blu-Ray case for Season 1, because I at least wanted to see what it could look like, even if it never happens...

https://forum.blu-ray.com/picture.ph...ictureid=34956

Good job, don't know if I would buy it for now but it would be nice to see. While we are on this topic they should also release 200X again

I'm definitely hoping that it gets a disc release. Fingers crossed.

I would have thought one of the other streaming services would have seen the hype and reaction and would be madly trying to secure streaming rights to 200x

Originally Posted by Ornclown

No definite date has been announced yet.

This article speculates that it will be closer than we think, e.g. October, 2021.

https://www.menshealth.com/entertain...cast-spoilers/

This is actually really good news, thank you! After having read the Variety interview, this part really stood out to me:

“Adam’s not dead; he’s very wounded,” said Wood. “If you want to light the whole world on fire, in terms of destroying a fandom, you’d take He-Man out and be like, ‘That’s it, he’s gone, bye!’ Now what they’ve done is they’ve found really interesting ways to turn the dynamics of the show on its head and raise the stakes to a point that the original never saw.”

Smith was blunter.

“I see people online go, ‘Hey man, they’re getting rid of He-Man!'” he said. “Like, you really ****ing think Mattel Television, who hired me and paid me money, wants to do a ****ing ‘Masters of the Universe’ show without He-Man? Grow the **** up, man. Like, that blew my mind, bunch of people being like, ‘Oh, I smell it. This is a bait and switch.'”

Part 2 of “Revelation” — which will premiere likely later this year or early next year — will actually explore David’s original pitch, with Prince Adam the one who has to recover from an almost debilitating blow.

“A lot of Part 2 is a world in which Skeletor has the power — then we get to say, ‘Well, what made Adam special?'” David said. “‘What does it mean to have the power? What made Adam the person who was most worthy to be He-Man?’ I will tell you this: Adam’s story is not done and will never be done. Not saying what happens to him, but I’m just saying the stories continues.”

Wood said he has seen very rough versions of Part 2, and his face lit up when describing them. To anyone who might be upset or frustrated with the end of Part 1, he had this advice: “I would say keep keep watching, with the biggest wink that an audio-only interview can give. In a world that’s filled with magic and supernatural powers, anything is possible.”

As others have said, I think Netflix did a huge disservice to Smith by breaking this series in half instead of letting all of the episodes air at once. From the sounds of it, there would be almost NO controversy if they had aired episodes 6-10 at the same time. I blame Netflix for this because apparently Smith wasn't even told what time the first episode premiered.

Instead Netflix nearly fractured the fandom across all social media platforms. Unless this was purposeful in order to drum up interest? Like a "there's no such thing as bad news" deal? I know Marvel comics have been explicit in following the "enrage the fandom to get them to hate-buy comics" strategy for years now.

Rewatching the first five episodes with the security that Adam isn't dead and that he's going to have a turn in the spotlight next really recasts it all into a new light. I have a feeling a lot of my misgivings will be gone when the second part airs and that, taken as a whole, the series will be pretty good (IF there isn't another bait and switch from this interview - i've also seen rumours that Part 2 will focus on Evil-Lyn's journey, and, as great as her voice acting was, I have zero interest in seeing that).

I will be very happy to eat crow if this all turns out to be true. Like I said, this show has some really good points, there were definitely parts I enjoyed and I really appreciated all of the attention to detail. I really, really want to love this show. The combo of the Variety interview and the news that we may see Part 2 sooner has brightened my day a bit!

Originally Posted by FutureRetro

Wundar has an accent - german maybe? Anyway, I think King Grayskull was changed for less nefarious reasons than most think. Andra came from Filmation and didn't have a toy. They didn't have the rights to the Filmation series - only what Mattel produced as toys. Speculating here, but, pretty sure they don't have the rights to Mike Young's MOTU cartoon as well. Wasn't King Grayskull created for that series? King Grayskull is literally He-Man with longer hair and a different cat. Not very interesting to be honest. If you have a small sampling of previous He-Man characters, why not diversify them to illustrate variety.

What changes the character of King Grayskull by him being a person of color? Especially in a world where people can look like animals.

Unfortunately one of the producers or writing staff, I can’t remember which, specifically said they changed Grayskull’s ethnicity because there were too many muscular white dudes, and when challenged on it he said that fans didn’t give a **** about characters like Lazerlot so they race changed a more prominent existing character.

Now my argument would be that they should make us care about newer characters, establish them, build them up, make them interesting and important, but they can’t be bothered, it’s easier to just change an already existing character’s skin colour.

Originally Posted by Chris85

BTW I was completely blown away by The Witcher: Nightmare of the Wolf art style and character designs. The lady looks beautiful and Vesemir is simply instahot. I wish Revelation chose to draw human characters in the same attractive manner. By the end of Revelation I mostly got used to the style, but still wanted to tweak faces to make them more traditionally beautiful and change body proportions to make them more realistic.

I'm just gonna say it now, Nightmare of the Wolf is going to be awesome!

The aesthetic of Revelation is not unlike Castlevania or Blood of Zeus... Powerhouse has a very distinct style that I feel works well for the mythical, gothic, medieval and fantasy genres like MOTU. I really like the way they interpreted the world of Eternia and it's inhabitants.

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Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

I know that when content is original to streaming platforms like MOTU Revelations is, the less likely it is (but not necessarily impossible) it is to get a DVD/Blu-Ray release. But I REALLY hope this does get one.

For the heck of it, I did a mock up of a possible Blu-Ray case for Season 1, because I at least wanted to see what it could look like, even if it never happens...

https://forum.blu-ray.com/picture.ph...ictureid=34956

It wasn't long before Castlevania season 1 got a Blu-Ray release... I think that MOTUR will follow suit. In fact, it might be a part of the agreement between Netflix and Mattel.

Originally Posted by JohnnyC

Ya know what's funny is that I really thought you hated the series based on all the video links you were posting. I'm guessing you were posting them to show the ridiculousness of some of these "reviewers"?

-Johnny C

Yes, the ridiculousness.

Originally Posted by DynastyMasters

Yes, the ridiculousness.

I don't think you need to necessary link the videos if that is the intent a screencap of the thumbnail should usually do.

Originally Posted by Raziel443

Unfortunately one of the producers or writing staff, I can’t remember which, specifically said they changed Grayskull’s ethnicity because there were too many muscular white dudes, and when challenged on it he said that fans didn’t give a **** about characters like Lazerlot so they race changed a more prominent existing character.

Now my argument would be that they should make us care about newer characters, establish them, build them up, make them interesting and important, but they can’t be bothered, it’s easier to just change an already existing character’s skin colour.

Sir Laserlot was straight up hated for years. Like, he, Cy-Chop, and The Mighty Spector were pretty much despised ever since their inception up until he said this.

Don't get me wrong, I love Sir Laserlot (he's probably my favorite of the 30th anniversary figures, tied with Castle Grayskullman), but I completely understand not wanting to use him. I imagine him, Cy-Chop, Mighty Spector, Dare, Skeleteen, She-Ra-At-Arms, Horde Lord, and other such controversial Classics characters probably won't show up in anything again, or at the very least not for a very long time.

Seeing some of the stuff that's supposed to happen in Part 2 is very promising.

I do feel like even if all ten episodes came out at once, that by itself would dispel a lot of the backlash. Too late now, obviously, but I feel like if people knew where the journey was taking them certain choices made in the first half wouldn't be so polarizing.

I'm probably bringing up a point that has been before. I tried to read as many of the replies in this thread a possible.

But it just seems that writers of this genre just can't seem to get their head around the mighty protagonist character, so instead takes them out of the story.

Optimus Prime in the first Transformers movie seemed to be very late to the party, then in 2 he is killed, then in 3 he is very, very late, and then tangled up in wires, then for whichever the ones is he is turned evil.

Then we look at Superman. Killed off at the end of BVS and only brought back at the end of JL to save the day. Even in MOS Supes is sent away to stop the world-destroyer while the others saved the day.

He-Man was obviously just seen as too powerful and that he would just win the day. So writers couldn't find anything to challenge him or found him too goody-good to write. It's just this trend.

I'm not complaining about the new story or anything like that. I'm just stating that I think this story was written this way is not because they saw it as the best possible story, but because they couldn't write a story about the Most Powerful Man in the Universe.

“I see people online go, ‘Hey man, they’re getting rid of He-Man!'” he said. “Like, you really ****ing think Mattel Television, who hired me and paid me money, wants to do a ****ing ‘Masters of the Universe’ show without He-Man?

You just did.

It's not like he's in every episode and people are constantly talking about him almost all the time, or anything...

Oh. "Whoops."

You know what, I might just all resolve into something every MOTU fan can get behind, when the whole series has played out.

But calling fans 'salty' or whatever for having a strong reaction to a childhood icon being sidelined and partly torn down is a bit emotionally deaf to be honest. I get that not everyone can sympathize with the significance that character may have n some people's memories - but maybe we can agree that there would have been a way to tell the Revelation story that appealed to a wider part of the MOTU fandom. What are you making such a show for if not for the long-term MOTU fans?

There were some good ideas in the script, but overall it was just a mess.

- If you really want Teela to break with her family and everything she knows, the script would have needed to build that up some more. The way it was shown it made zero sense and came out of thin air. Impactful stuff like that has to be earned.
- Teelas ark started from a point that wasn't earned through the story telling (see above) and remained weirdly flat
- If you want to kill He-man, same story - it needs a build-up to give viewers some time to get emotionally invested in the moment.
- The whole quest story arch was super rushed and relied way to much on happy happenstance and stupid McGuffins - which made it boring to me. No real surprises, no cool twist.

Personally, I would have kept the idea with the power sword being broken in two and make the show about Adam trying to undo the damage with the help of his friends. The show could have then explored the dynamic between Adam and Teela as they come to terms with his secret and what that means for them. As they race skeletor to the proverbial finish line, emotions become clear and old enemies clash for a final battle to determine the fate of Eternia.

Teela would still have gotten a much bigger character ark that way, we could have explored more her motivations, her strength and the funny interactions that would create between her and Adam.

Not every hero has to be deconstructed ... and especially with a well established fandom like MOTU, the best thing you can do is give the fans what they were hoping for.

To be fair, we've seen several stories in various MOTU canons where Adam for one reason or other didn't have the Sword - whether it was lost or destroyed or whatever - and had to get it back.

We've never seen a MOTU story where Adam is dead AND the Sword is gone and everybody else has to figure out what to do in the aftermath.

It's a bold choice, but credit where it's due for choosing to tell a Brand New Story over one that's already been told to some degree a couple of times before. Sure, they could have told that story differently than how it's been told in other iterations, but it would still be just doing what's already been done, to a point.

I mean, it would be just "The Problem With Power" but with more Teela in it, wouldn't it? I mean, I get why that would be fine for some people, and I'm not saying you can't do it, but... it's been done.

I kind of understand why they did what they did. In the writing classes I took back in the day, one of the main points the instructor made about writing stories dealing with already-established characters and properties is, "You should start out by trying to do something that's NEVER been done with them before. If you're just going to tread over the familiar, you're only going to invite unflattering comparisons to what came before you."

Originally Posted by Rikki Roxx

To be fair, we've seen several stories in various MOTU canons where Adam for one reason or other didn't have the Sword - whether it was lost or destroyed or whatever - and had to get it back.

We've never seen a MOTU story where Adam is dead AND the Sword is gone and everybody else has to figure out what to do in the aftermath.

It's a bold choice, but credit where it's due for choosing to tell a Brand New Story over one that's already been told to some degree a couple of times before. Sure, they could have told that story differently than how it's been told in other iterations, but it would still be just doing what's already been done, to a point.

I mean, it would be just "The Problem With Power" but with more Teela in it, wouldn't it? I mean, I get why that would be fine for some people, and I'm not saying you can't do it, but... it's been done.

Well, I guess that is true although I would argue that the wider viewership that Netflix could have conceivable targeted would not have been aware of that.

And taking an established franchise or story and essentially replace a male protagonist with a female one is not exactly ingenious or novel these days. In fact, I would argue that it has been done a bit too much in the recent couple of years.

Originally Posted by Dice

Is the video made from the comfort of his bedroom at his parents house? Asking for a friend...

Why do fellow nerds always use this insult as if it somehow doesn't apply to them also?

Originally Posted by Rikki Roxx

"You should start out by trying to do something that's NEVER been done with them before.

So they decided to turn Teela into an unlikeable Karen

….sorry, couldn’t resist.

Originally Posted by Lasastard

Well, I guess that is true although I would argue that the wider viewership that Netflix could have conceivable targeted would not have been aware of that.

Understandable, I'm just saying I understand what their starting point most likely was. I promise you that Smith and Co. watched "The Problem With Power" during development - that's like, the ONE "Must-Watch" episode on everyone's Filmation list, even among people who don't like the show - and were probably very keen on trying not to make their story TOO similar, because a ton of people who would watch the show would have seen it too. Not all, but a lot.

If you want to tell a "High-Stakes" MOTU story, there's only a couple of things you can do that are seriously impactful. The two biggest ones would absolutely be, Get Rid of the Sword and Kill Adam. And we've seen one, we've seen the other teased here and there, but never BOTH at the exact same time. So right there that's rather intriguing stuff.

As for "replacing him with a female protagonist", if Adam is dead then who else is really suited to be the Quester in his absence? By definition, on account of her longstanding Grand Destiny as the next Sorceress of Grayskull, Teela is automatically in the front of the line. She's got the most fertile storytelling ground, with the most potential to finish her arc in a completely different place from where she started it. Man-At-Arms gets the story, at the end he just goes back to being Man-At-Arms, for example. After Adam, Teela has the richest storyline potential by far out of anyone. If you have to tell a MOTU story without Adam as the main star for part of it, I'd honestly be annoyed if anyone BUT Teela got the nod.

I have always wanted to see Teela ascend to become the new Sorceress, ever since I found out that was her "destiny". If that's where this story is taking her - and I have a feeling that it is - then it pretty much justifies why it "had to" be her in the first place.

I know there are plenty of stories that could have gotten her there without taking Adam off the board for half of it, and those are probably good stories too. But again, I'm simply recognizing that one of their goals with this story was probably to try and do things people haven't seen before.

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Originally Posted by Cameron Samurai

Why do fellow nerds always use this insult as if it somehow doesn't apply to them also?

I do mine from my in-laws' loft, does that count?

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Originally Posted by ProteinNerd

So they decided to turn Teela into an unlikeable Karen

….sorry, couldn’t resist.

For like an episode and a half. With everyone telling her to her face she's being a complete brat and needs to shake it off, and she eventually starts to.

Let's not entirely oversimplify things, y'know?

If she was exactly the same in Episode 5 as she was in Episode 2, then yeah. But she's not.

Also, if the show was presenting her "Karen-ness" as a positive thing, but it doesn't. Everyone constantly calls her out on it and we're definitely supposed to think she's not dealing with things right. Her pouting isn't glorified, and I think that matters.

I'm posting from my father's old apartment, which I inherited after he died. I DID live with him for the last two years of his life, because he was sick and bedridden, and I essentially played nurse for him.... I actually, LITERALLY watched him die, in his bedroom, and I'm still going "if I'd only been a little quicker calling the ambulance..." suffice to say, I now have a rather low tolerance for "losers who live with their parents" jokes.

Anyway. Hrm. We were talking about Revelation?

Saw this on twitter. This is the Teela we could have had if they didn't butcher the design.

Imagine that a woman can be feminine, strong, and badass at the same time without looking like a dude.