Masters of the Universe Revelation Netflix Series

Yeah that would have been a MUCH better way to do the sword unlocking the orb!

Oh and to add to the contempt they showed this franchise I just realised they literally turned Skeletor into an incel.

He blames his behaviour on the fact that no woman would want him with his skull face.

Originally Posted by ProteinNerd

Oh and to add to the contempt they showed this franchise I just realised they literally turned Skeletor into an incel.

Are you sure they aren't showing contempt for incels? That their behavior is so low that they equate them with Skeletor?

He blames his behaviour on the fact that no woman would want him with his skull face.

For me this is one of the strangest lines of dialogue in the series. While I find the idea that Evil-Lyn may have romantic interest in Skeletor compelling, I've never seen any lore anywhere that suggests Skeletor is or was ever interested in women - including in this series. I'm not saying I disapprove of that direction for his character, but the writers need to give us some more context in part 2 for this line of dialogue to make any sense at all.

After Skeletor is run through by the Power Sword, Evil-Lyn rushes over to aid him and he pushes her aside. This makes a lot more sense for everything we know about his character. I hope part 2 brings these two aspects of his character into alignment.

Originally Posted by ProteinNerd

Yeah that would have been a MUCH better way to do the sword unlocking the orb!

Oh and to add to the contempt they showed this franchise I just realised they literally turned Skeletor into an incel.

He blames his behaviour on the fact that no woman would want him with his skull face.

Where is this contempt people keep insinuating they have against the show? It's Loaded with little bits of fan service nearly everywhere start to finish.

He doesn't blame his behaviour on "losing his face" he's practically mocking those around at the time. He thinks he has Evillyn on a short leash. Hopefully he doesn't but time will tell. Personally I think Evillyn used to love him till he became Skeletor, now she loves the power he has, maybe now more than ever. Then again maybe not. Time will tell.

Originally Posted by smanomega

Where is this contempt people keep insinuating they have against the show? It's Loaded with little bits of fan service nearly everywhere start to finish.

He doesn't blame his behaviour on "losing his face" he's practically mocking those around at the time.

Some people just like to read WAY too much into the smallest things while ignoring the array of fan service this show is providing. It's almost amazing, but in a really sad way.

Originally Posted by Universe

Are you sure they aren't showing contempt for incels? That their behavior is so low that they equate them with Skeletor?



For me this is one of the strangest lines of dialogue in the series. While I find the idea that Evil-Lyn may have romantic interest in Skeletor compelling, I've never seen any lore anywhere that suggests Skeletor is or was ever interested in women - including in this series. I'm not saying I disapprove of that direction for his character, but the writers need to give us some more context in part 2 for this line of dialogue to make any sense at all.

After Skeletor is run through by the Power Sword, Evil-Lyn rushes over to aid him and he pushes her aside. This makes a lot more sense for everything we know about his character. I hope part 2 brings these two aspects of his character into alignment.

Hmmm... I took Skeletor pushing her aside as him needing to 'die' in order for his plan to go through. I didn't take it in any way as a rejection of Evil-Lyn. However, I only watched it once.

Originally Posted by Stratos88

Sure, Jan.

By all means, identify the claim being made. Then demonstrate that it is unsubstantiated. I will wait.

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Originally Posted by Universe

For me this is one of the strangest lines of dialogue in the series. While I find the idea that Evil-Lyn may have romantic interest in Skeletor compelling, I've never seen any lore anywhere that suggests Skeletor is or was ever interested in women - including in this series. I'm not saying I disapprove of that direction for his character, but the writers need to give us some more context in part 2 for this line of dialogue to make any sense at all.

After Skeletor is run through by the Power Sword, Evil-Lyn rushes over to aid him and he pushes her aside. This makes a lot more sense for everything we know about his character. I hope part 2 brings these two aspects of his character into alignment.

I think he was being flippant, but inadvertently revealed how he feels about himself. His appearance is the result of his own pursuit of power. He effectively did this to himself, and has no else to blame. If he hates that this is what he is, then he cannot accept love from anyone else. So he projects his feelings onto others. "No one would have me" is really "I would not have me." That is why the love of Evil-Lyn is unrequited. Not because he does not have feelings for her, but because he cannot accept her feelings for him.

Originally Posted by Adam_Prince of Eternia

By all means, identify the claim being made. Then demonstrate that it is unsubstantiated. I will wait.

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I think he was being flippant, but inadvertently revealed how he feels about himself. His appearance is the result of his own pursuit of power. He effectively did this to himself, and has no else to blame. If he hates that this is what he is, then he cannot accept love from anyone else. So he projects his feelings onto others. "No one would have me" is really "I would not have me." That is why the love of Evil-Lyn is unrequited. Not because he does not have feelings for her, but because he cannot accept her feelings for him.

Makes sense. No argument here. Can you talk about the line if Teela "but I had to live with it? "Tell us please her thought process in your opinion. It seemed selfish, not noble with not to much dialoged to explain. I am scratching my head. Adam came across kinder. What if she said I felt guilty? Also Randor's Death treat, is that even repairable? How can MAA he trust such a mad king?

I know a lot of people have read that line as Skeletor being an incel (or should that be "inskel?"). But the actual line reads as follows: "Look at my face, child! It has furnished for me a lonely life in which none would have me as a man. So then let me be a god."

So, "lonely life" certainly could reference women not wanting him (and add to the bitter irony that Evil-Lyn seems to love him). But since he is also talking about being a man vs. being a god, this could also be a reference to feeling lonely and rejected by society as a large. In his anger, he gave up on being a man but now thinks he will have better luck as a god.

Just my two cents. And while I am new to much of the Classics canon, the idea that he was rejected by society may echo the fact that he encountered prejudice due to his half-Gar blood when he was Keldor.

Originally Posted by InThe80s

MYP isn't perfect but it did get a lot of things right. It still felt like a proper He-Man reboot. Over time my appreciation for what it is has grown.

Revelations is moving in the opposite direction. The more I think about Revelations the more it bothers me. It is a strait up slap to the face of the fans even worse than Thundercats roar was.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdpOQbCQReI

Yikes, just from the thumbnail the dude looks insane.

Worse that Thundercats Roars? Now you are just being facetious.

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Originally Posted by Dice

The only scene and major plot point that I believe is truly POOR WRITING:

When He-man stabs Skeletor at the exact height and position necessary for the sword to slip into the "keyhole". Are you kidding me? Not a few inches higher? Not a slash? A straight run-through at the exact perfect angle, from a distance mind you. There were about 1000 different options he had but this was the attack he felt necessary in his rage? (If you really want to get picky take a look at He-man's position prior to his running at Skeletor).

Yeah watching that scene again that was mighty convenient.

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Originally Posted by smanomega

You know that scene where He-man Finally stabs Skeletor could have been so much more epic... Skeletor always seems to block or avoid sword strikes until now.

Have He-man at least have a shocked expression on his face. Make the scene show the sword sticking out of Skeletor as he says that epic line. Then fall into the key hole. As though that was his plan the whole time.

I thought it WAS his plan all along or at least once things went to crap for him lol

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Originally Posted by Baba1983

Makes sense. No argument here. Can you talk about the line if Teela "but I had to live with it? "Tell us please her thought process in your opinion. It seemed selfish, not noble with not to much dialoged to explain. I am scratching my head. Adam came across kinder. What if she said I felt guilty? Also Randor's Death treat, is that even repairable? How can MAA he trust such a mad king?

To me the "I had to LIVE with it" was because she had to endure the pain for years of that tragedy?

Originally Posted by Baba1983

Makes sense. No argument here. Can you talk about the line if Teela "but I had to live with it? "Tell us please her thought process in your opinion. It seemed selfish, not noble with not to much dialoged to explain. I am scratching my head. Adam came across kinder. What if she said I felt guilty? Also Randor's Death treat, is that even repairable? How can MAA he trust such a mad king?

From 36 pages back, LOL:

Originally Posted by Adam_Prince of Eternia

Duncan elaborates on this in episode three. Teela questions his willingness to abandon his responsibilities to the crown, and he replies, "No, my responsibility was to protect Adam." That was his entire job: to mentor and protect Adam. (Especially, if Adam is the only remaining child of Randor, because Skeletor helped kidnap his daughter.) To find out that not only did Duncan fail to protect his son, but that he actively put him in harm's way, would be infuriating. It did not have to be. Not only did he lie to his king, but to his friend, who trusted him with the most precious thing to him in the entire world. He trusted Duncan with the life of his son, and Duncan could not trust him with Adam's secret. Then to realize that everyone in that room knew except you, and you look foolish in front of everyone. Then you feel guilty, remembering all the times you criticized him without knowing he was Eternia's greatest champion, before realizing that the last thing you said to him was not, "I love you," but "I am not proud of you." His reaction was entirely understandable.

As was Teela's. She is an orphan. She does not know her birth parents. She feels abandoned. The people in that room are the closest thing to family for her, and every single one of them knew Adam was He-Man, and did not tell her. She was good enough to be their Captain of the Royal Guard, to be their Woman-At-Arms, but not to be included in their conspiracy. That tells her that even here, she is an outsider. That she does not belong here or anywhere. Her birth parents did not want her, and her adopted father did not trust her enough to tell her the truth. Let alone her best friend, the man she is secretly in love with. It makes her question everything: "What other things are the Royal Family keeping from me? Can I even trust them enough to serve them with my life now? Does my father really love me? Would he have told me the truth if I was his real daughter? Did I really know Adam? Did he not trust me? How can I trust my feelings for him now that I do not know where we really stood?" Then Randor threatens the life of her father, and commands her to exile him. I would say that warrants a pretty strong reaction.

Originally Posted by King Kahn

Yikes, just from the thumbnail the dude looks insane.

It's like exaggerated(how much so I wouldn't know) but I have been getting this vid in my recommendations for a bit and have not felt any need to watch it.

I took the 'lonely' line as a way to make an homage to the live-action movie, with Skeletor's comment toward He-Man about good being as lonely as evil.

[QUOTE=Adam_Prince of Eternia;3949021]From 36 pages back, LOL


Thank you. Well put. I remember that post now. I want to enjoy the show. There was way to much new heat then.

They really had them fooled good! The comic attempted to explain why they needed a secret. I think they took it to far. How many is to much 3? 4? Maybe 5? This was a huge tactical error and could have killed Teela or that Royal boob Randror. Meyahahaha.

I am sure alot of people will cool off and we can continue this nice conversation. My head is still spinning.
Teela was old enough. They waited way to long. Duncan got grey. She is right. Why not trust her but Orkster???You made me like her more now.

I’m gonna go reread the first issue of the comic. Maybe I’ll understand some thing this time to why they went overboard with the secret keeping. Opinions will be welcome.

Revelations Teela--- She's really not that bad, lol

And as far as her fighting with Adam in preternia -yeah she's allowed to still be mad. Even if I wish she was able to hold back tears when delivering the whole " And WE had to live with it line. As it stands it sounds like she just phoned it in

Originally Posted by smanomega

Where is this contempt people keep insinuating they have against the show? It's Loaded with little bits of fan service nearly everywhere start to finish.

He doesn't blame his behaviour on "losing his face" he's practically mocking those around at the time. He thinks he has Evillyn on a short leash. Hopefully he doesn't but time will tell. Personally I think Evillyn used to love him till he became Skeletor, now she loves the power he has, maybe now more than ever. Then again maybe not. Time will tell.

Lol!! Contempt... really? I think people like using big words but don't quite know their definition. In no way does this creative team show contempt for the franchise, the fans, or the lore.

If you have contempt for MOTU, why would you even take the job? This is really starting to get out of hand...

First it was all of the silly conjecture, then it was Teela's haircut, then her muscles, then the lack of He-Man, then the "poor" writing... now, it's contempt?!? C'mon, if you don't like the show, fine... but to basically say that the developers sabotaged Revelation, to try and prove to people why you personally dislike it, is really, really stretching it.

There were parts of this show that you can really roll your eyes at. People talking about bad writing versus subjective writing. Many have mentioned the out of character behaviour of Randor, Teela and Man-At-Arms.

But in terms of super cliched storytelling like Teela has to be convinced to go to Grayskull by her friend. Then has AGAIN to be convinced by Cringer. THEN an episode later, Teela has to convince MAAs just as she was! So she is now the person to convince him?? Huh? THEN, after she convinces him he says OK, and then tells him no he can't come???? I was getting dizzy just watching this.

What about MAAs comes out of nowhere to save them. Had he been following them the whole time, like "oh no Teela forgot her keys, I better chase her and get them to her"?? It seemed like they had been on the boat for a very long time. Or was the Crystal Sea a mile away from MAA's hideout?

Preternia (which means before Etrenia not After) has a very convenient doorway back to the land of the living. OK. Roboto dies rebuilding the Sword, even though MAAs was meant to do it. A being of flesh and blood could survive that but a human tank couldn't?? Ok. Was Man At Arms meant to be wired up to huge power cables as well? What about Andra figuring out how to reforge the sword, some nobody but all the champions including a former Sorceress couldn't.

Lastly, so Teela asks Adam does he remember the tune. That's a nice line for the trailer. But for the show, it makes no sense. She saw that happen once. All she knows is it could be simply a spell to stop an explosion. She has no idea that he used that incarnation or "tune" every time he turned into He-Man. And because she had a tantrum and walked away from her duties in EP1, MAAs nor the Sorceress would have smartened her up about that. So I believe that was just bad writing and not me being subjectively disliking the story.

Originally Posted by RiverToad

lmao I remember one episode (day of the machines?) where Orko appeared in a single group shot and then was conspicuously absent from the rest of the scene (and i think the episode as well? i don't remember) it was almost hilarious how they just. forgot about him.

Also, building him up in Second Skin and then just promptly having him disappear for the rest of the show. If there's one thing MYP really fumbled with, it was Orko. They just didn't know what to do with him so they eventually just gave up and left the rest of his arc to a tie in comic lol

Frankly i don't think they got Cringer/Battlecat right either, in most versions of MOTU, Cringer/Battlecat are actual characters. But in the 2002 reboot there only have slightly more character than the Batmobile. Just saying.

I’ve had some time to process what I’ve seen and I still don’t like it even one bit. There were other things that bothered me but right from the top of my head:

Un-intelligent writing
Sorceress can guess Skeletor’s disguise when he arrives at grayskull but Faker not being the real thing gets over her head? Seriously? Don’t they have telepathic connection with each other? Why would He-Man even bring prisoners to Grayskull in the first place?

Teela is a self-centered brat
Sorceress told He-Man to keep his identity a secret but he gets the blame? The reason to have a secret identity is first and foremost to protect the ones close to you so they can not become a leverage over the hero for the villains.

The entire scene at Snake Mountain
The motherboard-prayer was cringe at the highest level. And don’t get me startet at Teela and Andra alone fighting Trap-Jaw, Whiplash, Tri-Klops AND Blast-Attack with ease but the moments ago converted techno-disciples can get the upperhand….

Bad CGI vehicles
They all stood out like a sore thumb next to the admitedly beautiful scenery

De-mystification of (Castle) Grayskull and backward deconstruction of canon
A ridiculous plot to make one of the cornerstones of the franchise a mere hologram.
What is the point in calling upon the power of grayskull, if it’s not really the power of grayskull?
And yet another instance of blackwashing already established characters instead of working with existing ones. Show me where black characters have been swapped at the same rate and in favor of white characters within the last 50 years then you have a point. Otherwise it is nothing but lazy agenda driven nonsense to divide the fanbase.
It wouldn’t have hurt anybody, if Clamp Champ had been where Andra is right now. But since it is current year mentality I have a strong feeling where this is going.

The Teela show
Bait and switch. Masters of the Universe is about He-Man and Skeletor. If you keep me waiting +18 years for another cartoon installment of my favorite franchise and not make it about these two characters, then you have failed miserably.
If I buy Action or Detective Comics I know it is going to be about Superman and Batman even though their names are nowhere to be found in the title.

Originally Posted by Barnster

I’ve had some time to process what I’ve seen and I still don’t like it even one bit. There were other things that bothered me but right from the top of my head:

Un-intelligent writing
Sorceress can guess Skeletor’s disguise when he arrives at grayskull but Faker not being the real thing gets over her head? Seriously? Don’t they have telepathic connection with each other? Why would He-Man even bring prisoners to Grayskull in the first place?

It bothered me too and you're right. Maybe that is just a nod on Faker first appearance in Filmation with the shaping staff and all. Sorceress just was easliy fooled there in that episode.

Originally Posted by Barnster

Teela is a self-centered brat
Sorceress told He-Man to keep his identity a secret but he gets the blame? The reason to have a secret identity is first and foremost to protect the ones close to you so they can not become a leverage over the hero for the villains.

In fairness to Teela, she doesn't know Sorceress is the one who told Adam and the rest to keep that secret.

Originally Posted by Barnster

The entire scene at Snake Mountain
The motherboard-prayer was cringe at the highest level. And don’t get me startet at Teela and Andra alone fighting Trap-Jaw, Whiplash, Tri-Klops AND Blast-Attack with ease but the moments ago converted techno-disciples can get the upperhand….

Originally Posted by Barnster

Bad CGI vehicles
They all stood out like a sore thumb next to the admitedly beautiful scenery

Personally the CGI is ok with me.

Originally Posted by Barnster

De-mystification of (Castle) Grayskull and backward deconstruction of canon
A ridiculous plot to make one of the cornerstones of the franchise a mere hologram.
What is the point in calling upon the power of grayskull, if it’s not really the power of grayskull?
And yet another instance of blackwashing already established characters instead of working with existing ones. Show me where black characters have been swapped at the same rate and in favor of white characters within the last 50 years then you have a point. Otherwise it is nothing but lazy agenda driven nonsense to divide the fanbase.
I wouldn’t have hurt anybody, if Clamp Champ had been where Andra is right now. But since it is current year mentality I have a strong feeling where this is going.

Same feeling for the Castle, it kinda dimishes the value of it. King Grayskull as a black dude doesn't seems to add any value to the show, I still think they retain his normal look.
And Andra can be a new character, but with so little stuff in her character in the past, So Andra is ok with me I guess.

Originally Posted by Barnster

The Teela show
Bait and switch. Masters of the Universe is about He-Man and Skeletor. If you keep me waiting +18 years for another cartoon installment of my favorite franchise and not make it about these two characters, then you have failed miserably.
If I buy Action or Detective Comics I know it is going to be about Superman and Batman even though their names are nowhere to be found in the title.

Agree on the Action and Detective comics analogy. Well it is Part 1, maybe Part 2 will balance a few things on the story but it is really a Teele centric story.



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Originally Posted by GrayskullPrime

There were parts of this show that you can really roll your eyes at. People talking about bad writing versus subjective writing. Many have mentioned the out of character behaviour of Randor, Teela and Man-At-Arms.

But in terms of super cliched storytelling like Teela has to be convinced to go to Grayskull by her friend. Then has AGAIN to be convinced by Cringer. THEN an episode later, Teela has to convince MAAs just as she was! So she is now the person to convince him?? Huh? THEN, after she convinces him he says OK, and then tells him no he can't come???? I was getting dizzy just watching this.

What about MAAs comes out of nowhere to save them. Had he been following them the whole time, like "oh no Teela forgot her keys, I better chase her and get them to her"?? It seemed like they had been on the boat for a very long time. Or was the Crystal Sea a mile away from MAA's hideout?

Preternia (which means before Etrenia not After) has a very convenient doorway back to the land of the living. OK. Roboto dies rebuilding the Sword, even though MAAs was meant to do it. A being of flesh and blood could survive that but a human tank couldn't?? Ok. Was Man At Arms meant to be wired up to huge power cables as well? What about Andra figuring out how to reforge the sword, some nobody but all the champions including a former Sorceress couldn't.

Lastly, so Teela asks Adam does he remember the tune. That's a nice line for the trailer. But for the show, it makes no sense. She saw that happen once. All she knows is it could be simply a spell to stop an explosion. She has no idea that he used that incarnation or "tune" every time he turned into He-Man. And because she had a tantrum and walked away from her duties in EP1, MAAs nor the Sorceress would have smartened her up about that. So I believe that was just bad writing and not me being subjectively disliking the story.

I enjoyed the show more or less but damn, the more you think about it the dumber it gets.

Yea ... there is a lot of "lucky coincidences" in the story telling to the point where I wonder if Smith didn't think this through or figured people are stupid and will be happy with the colorful pictures flickering on the screen.

I don't mind stuff like that in a kids cartoon (although never felt that the original MOTU had this issue quite to the same extend), but if you specifically set out to make an adult continuation and then this is what you come up with as a writer. Oh boy.

Originally Posted by Barnster

I’ve had some time to process what I’ve seen and I still don’t like it even one bit. There were other things that bothered me but right from the top of my head:

Un-intelligent writing
Sorceress can guess Skeletor’s disguise when he arrives at grayskull but Faker not being the real thing gets over her head? Seriously? Don’t they have telepathic connection with each other? Why would He-Man even bring prisoners to Grayskull in the first place?

Teela is a self-centered brat
Sorceress told He-Man to keep his identity a secret but he gets the blame? The reason to have a secret identity is first and foremost to protect the ones close to you so they can not become a leverage over the hero for the villains.

The entire scene at Snake Mountain
The motherboard-prayer was cringe at the highest level. And don’t get me startet at Teela and Andra alone fighting Trap-Jaw, Whiplash, Tri-Klops AND Blast-Attack with ease but the moments ago converted techno-disciples can get the upperhand….

Bad CGI vehicles
They all stood out like a sore thumb next to the admitedly beautiful scenery

De-mystification of (Castle) Grayskull and backward deconstruction of canon
A ridiculous plot to make one of the cornerstones of the franchise a mere hologram.
What is the point in calling upon the power of grayskull, if it’s not really the power of grayskull?
And yet another instance of blackwashing already established characters instead of working with existing ones. Show me where black characters have been swapped at the same rate and in favor of white characters within the last 50 years then you have a point. Otherwise it is nothing but lazy agenda driven nonsense to divide the fanbase.
It wouldn’t have hurt anybody, if Clamp Champ had been where Andra is right now. But since it is current year mentality I have a strong feeling where this is going.

The Teela show
Bait and switch. Masters of the Universe is about He-Man and Skeletor. If you keep me waiting +18 years for another cartoon installment of my favorite franchise and not make it about these two characters, then you have failed miserably.
If I buy Action or Detective Comics I know it is going to be about Superman and Batman even though their names are nowhere to be found in the title.

I agree with everything you said.

Originally Posted by Barnster

De-mystification of (Castle) Grayskull and backward deconstruction of canon
A ridiculous plot to make one of the cornerstones of the franchise a mere hologram.
What is the point in calling upon the power of grayskull, if it’s not really the power of grayskull?

I totally understand if your opinion of this doesn't change, but this was not something completely made up for this show.

Something that I didn't realize until reading it in the "Easter Eggs in MOTU: Revelation [Cartoon and Comic]" thread here in this section of the forum is that Castle Grayskull being the Hall of Wisdom in disguise is something from one of the MOTU Golden Books from the 80s.


Before reading that, I initially thought it was a variation on the 200X plotline. In that show, instead of the Hall of Wisdom being the castle in disguise, the Elders (during the time of Randor and Keldor) turn their powers into the orb and place it inside of the Castle, which already exists, and the Hall of Wisdom just vanishes. Then in the "Power of Grayskull" episode, we find out about the time of King Grayskull. The castle was just that.. a castle, with nothing remarkable about it. While it was an interesting episode and I liked many things about it, the weak points IMO was that King Grayskull and Battle Lion (who were created for that show) were just slightly redesigned versions of He-Man and Battle Cat. It's not like some stellar unique ideas were created at the time. These characters have grown on me over the years, but I still find the similarities at least a little laughable.

And other than being really big and strong, King Grayskull seemed to have no inherent powers. But then he goes on a quest as instructed by The Oracle, and because he climbs some rocks and a few other things, suddenly he has magic powers that were focused into his sword. The writing there was a little suspect IMO.

I don't mean this to trash 200X (I like many aspects of it), but to be honest in it's own way it demystified the castle because it was just an ordinary castle where King Grayskull's sword was kept after he died, and where the elders eventually hid the orb.



In MOTU Revelation, it is revealed that the creation of the Orb happened during the time of King Grayskull, and that Castle Grayskull (named after the king) was created to hide the Hall of Wisdom and the source of that power. At first I though all of this was a spin based on 200X, but as I said above, it turns out that the castle being the hall in disguise is from that old Golden Book. Also, taken from the continuity of the MOTU Classics bios/mini-comics, the sword itself was created by trollans. King Grayskull is the first to wield it.

Now, arguably a lot of that is kind of convoluted. But IMO so is the 200X version. Now, if you prefer the idea of the origins of Castle Grayskull's power being mostly a mystery to the audience, as was mostly the case in Filmation, I can understand that. But between the explanations given in 200X and Revelation, I personally like the Revelation version better...

The sword has a firmly magical origin (created by Trollans, beings of magic... instead of King Grayskull somehow inherently having magic because he completed a glorified obstacle course). The formation of the orb happens in King Grayskull's time instead of generations later, happening at the same time as him being the first champion to wield the sword, and therefore establishing the link between the sword and the orb. While Castle Grayskull may be a façade/illusion to hide The Hall of Wisdom, a plot point that I actually liked a lot (both before and after learning of it's origins in that Golden Book), it is firmly a place of magic to begin with, giving credence to Castle Grayskull itself being a place of power and mystery. It makes sense that the source of magic (that by the intent of it's creators it meant to be used for good) would originate in a place like the Hall of Wisdom, but would be disguised as something more gloomy, scary, and intimidating like Castle Grayskull to dissuade people from trying to enter and discovering/taking the power for themselves. And the Elders name the castle and the power after King Grayskull (as is explained in the scene in Preternia), therefore explaining why it is "The Power of Grayskull" being called upon.

In 200X, the castle in-and-of itself it nothing more than a structure that already existed, and ultimately becomes to place to store the sword (which apparently gets its power because of the King completing the aforementioned glorified obstacle course) and eventually to also store the orb, two events that happen hundreds of years apart from each other, but are both connected and essential for Adam to become He-Man.

Both explanations are arguably convoluted to a degree. But IMO the Revelation version has more weight to it and lines things up better than 200X did.

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

Something that I didn't realize until reading it in the "Easter Eggs in MOTU: Revelation [Cartoon and Comic]" thread here in this section of the forum is that Castle Grayskull being the Hall of Wisdom in disguise is something from one of the MOTU Golden Books from the 80s.

Not a big deal but if anyone is looking this wasn't in a Golden Book but rather a Kid's Stuff Book which was a read along with a tape recording. It's hard to find but if you search a picture of the page that talks about this subject is out there.