Masters of the Universe Revelation Netflix Series

Originally Posted by BB Shockwave

Literally the only way I can see the images is if I quote your post, then right click and open them in a new tab. You cannot hotlink images from this page, they will not show up, it would be better for everyone if you just posted the links to the page, not embed the images. Frankly often all I see is that you posted a big blank and was wondering what this was all about.

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I vaguely remember that show, but that's the EXACT voice Mark used for this Skeletor. It's basically his "serious Joker" voice. Joker sounds like this when he is too angry to crack jokes.

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To me the weird snake armor never made sense. Why would Teela run around dressed like Serpentor? Cobras are not exactly a symbol of good and kindness in western culture. I assume it was some random thing Mattel did and Filmation and all subsequent shows just took one glance at it and went "nope our heroes cannot go around dressed as snakes, remember reptiles are abhorrent (TVTropes)".
The addition of the Snake-Men made it even less likely to have Teela wear such armor. That'd be like if some GI Joe dressed as a giant snake.

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I can tell that's what the reaction of my little brother was when he watched the 1986 Transformers movie (many decades after it came out). To him, Optimus Prime showing up and getting killed meant nothing because he never watched the 50-something episode cartoon that came before it (since that was never dubbed to hungarian).
To someone who comes in to watch this same as they watched Castlevania, without any knowledge of the series, would have been the same if Belmont was killed in episode 1, they would have thought "huh guess he is not the main character".
In fact, I wonder if a lot of kids whose introduction to the franchise is Revelation will grow up like those kids who grew up watching Justice League (Unlimited) and had the mistaken idea that John Stewart was the very first Green Lantern, because to them that show was their only information about the GLs.

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THANK YOU! I will bookmark your post so I can push it under the nose of all the naysaysers who insist the show was advertised as a reboot or spiritual sequel from day 1. Thumbs up!

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Not me. When I love a show, I make a point to leave an IMDB review of it, and I will make one if I hate it too. This increases exponentially if there are so few or no reviews of said show because so few people know of it.

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The 3 times when people want to tell Teela she is the Sorceress' daughter, but Evil-Lyn says "enough family banter" or Teela herself has no time for it? It was maddeningly dumb.
How about the action scene where ALL our heroes stand around, utterly helpless and unable to do anything, against a few fish-men and an unarmed Mer-Man? 10 minutes earlier they kicked the ass of twice as many cyborg cultists and Trap-Jaw and Tri-Klops who were armed with lasers. But no, they stand around and gape at Man-at-Arms alone defeating everyone. Not even after he enters the fray and starts fighting the fish-men do they even move or try to help him.
How about the many, many times that the writers totally forget Tri-Klops has EYE BLASTS? He just watches Teela and Andra escape impotently staring after them, and later fights Beast-Man unarmed.
How about the nonsense about Duncan saying Randor will execute him if he welds two pieces of metal together? He never said that. He stripped him of his rank, banished him, and said he would execute him if he ever returned. Nothing was said about him not forging anything. And clearly your life and orders from the king mean little if the whole universe gets destroyed if you do not reforge the sword?

Does that mean that you also don't understand why the main villain has a Skull for a face, but the good guy castle is a giant Skull and called Castle Grayskull?

For my part, I wonder if Skeletor bothers washing his face with soap when he's in the shower. Also, whether or not that would hurt. Or feel like anything at all.

Also, I sometimes wonder how he sees without any eyeballs. Or speaks without any visible tongue.

Y'know, once you start pulling threads... this whole entire thing is very silly.

Originally Posted by Rikki Roxx

For my part, I wonder if Skeletor bothers washing his face with soap when he's in the shower. Also, whether or not that would hurt. Or feel like anything at all.

Also, I sometimes wonder how he sees without any eyeballs. Or speaks without any visible tongue.

Y'know, once you start pulling threads... this whole entire thing is very silly.

This was part of why I think the 1987 movie Skeletor was actually the best Skeletor. He had actual eyes and a mouth.

Originally Posted by Heeeere's Olesker!

Thanks for the post, motogp. I always take responsibility for my actions, so I'm not trying to dodge anything here. But the truth is that I had zero input on the voiceover work for NA. My involvement with art was limited to reviewing all storyboards.

That said, I was disappointed how some of those elements for NA. It's the reason why when I'm producing a series nowadays that I personally handle voice direction and am intimately involved with the Art Department. During my tenure as President of a motion picture and television studio in Chennai, India, I had 94 artists working in our Art Department. I interacted with them on a daily basis and the results were wonderful.

Kinda makes one wonder on how NA will fare back then if you have been involved on the voiceover work and more interaction with the artist.
I think if that aspect is bridged much better together with a familiar background music, it will be more loved than it is.

But I like it and that's what is important. It is a solid part of the MOTU mythos really.

Originally Posted by GrayskullPrime

Does that mean that you also don't understand why the main villain has a Skull for a face, but the good guy castle is a giant Skull and called Castle Grayskull?

Not to mention that the Caduceus and the Rod of Asclepius are serpent staffs that represent health care and the practice of medicine. It was believed if these staffs were applied to the dying, their deaths would be gentle; and if applied to the dead, they would come back to life. The weilder was considered to be a herald of the gods. It is why the original Hippocratic Oath invokes both of their names. So snakes are not universal symbol of evil.

Applied to Teela, it could mean that she is the living represenatitive of the Goddess on Eternia, and her Staff of Ka has the literal power over life and death. She has the power to heal and the power to kill. That power is not good or evil in and of itself, it depends on how its used; just like Castle Grayskull.

Originally Posted by Adam_Prince of Eternia

Not to mention that the Caduceus and the Rod of Asclepius are serpent staffs that represent health care and the practice of medicine. It was believed if these staffs were applied to the dying, their deaths would be gentle; and if applied to the dead, they would come back to life. The weilder was considered to be a herald of the gods. It is why the original Hippocratic Oath invokes both of their names. So snakes are not universal symbol of evil.

Applied to Teela, it could mean that she is the living represenatitive of the Goddess on Eternia, and her Staff of Ka has the literal power over life and death. She has the power to heal and the power to kill. That power is not good or evil in and of itself, it depends on how its used; just like Castle Grayskull.

Both the skull on Grayskull and the staff are also byproducts of older intended play patterns.

Originally Posted by Rikki Roxx

Forgive me but I'm not entirely sure which position you're taking here, due to how the sentence is structured.

What I'm saying is, everyone has their own personal interpretation of anything, but when the creator asks to be heard about what they intended to say with their work, it's not fair to dismiss or ignore them out of hand. At least in my opinion. One CAN dismiss or ignore them, but... it seems arrogant to do so.

Discussions and debates about whether or not the creator(s)' intentions came across as intended are still well and fair even after the fact. That's conversation. But for a person to say, "I'm not interested in what Kevin Smith or ______ has to say about this thing they made, I have my own interpretation of it and I'm pretty sure I'm right, so I don't need to hear their explanations or excuses"... well, it's kind of arrogant.

I mean, it all depends. Some creators are adamantly against discussing their own work because they'd rather have the audience make up their own rationale. I'm a huge David Lynch fan, and he's notorious about this, answering any and all questions about his work with "Well, what do YOU think it means?" and leaving it there. That's fine, but can also be frustrating.

So on the other side, whenever a creator comes out and says, "See, here's what I WANTED you to take away from that scene", whether I agree with them or not, see it the same way they intended or not, I'm grateful for their input. It doesn't always shift my perspective of their work BUT at the very least it can force me to consider some things I may not have thought of otherwise.

To not hear someone out IS their prerogative. AND is completely unfair in it's ENTIRETY.

If David Lynch tried to explain his movies to me I'd listen... Maybe cause I watched " fire walk with me " after a long night of drinking and left handed cigarettes, with no previous experience in twin peaks. I got to a scene with a horse and a "little person" and something about an arm going woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo...... And passed out.

Originally Posted by sirsniffy

I remember some of those! I used to ask my granny for them too. Some were vac metal and I used to put toys in them. Me and my cousin also used to use Massengil douche bottles as impromptu waterguns...but looking back that was a bit weird.

I know - it's crazy. In the 80's we have vac-metal on L'eggs containers. I had a gold one and a silver one. I used to put figures in them too, hatching dinosaurs, etc.

My other favorite non-toy toy was my the utensil compartment in my grandma's dishwashing machine. It was the perfect size for a prison for Star Wars and GI Joe figures. Also worked great as a shark cage for my Adventure People Shark Set. R.jpg

I guess I better get back on subject here...

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Originally Posted by smanomega

To not hear someone out IS their prerogative. AND is completely unfair in it's ENTIRETY.

If David Lynch tried to explain his movies to me I'd listen... Maybe cause I watched " fire walk with me " after a long night of drinking and left handed cigarettes, with no previous experience in twin peaks. I got to a scene with a horse and a "little person" and something about an arm going woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo...... And passed out.

David Lynch is notorious for NOT explaining his films. I like a sense of ambiguity and mystery. I don't like it when things are explained too much. That's what I hated about the MOTUC bios. They explained away most of the mystery. David Lynch actually has some really interesting things to say about this topic. When you explain something, it kinda dies in your mind. You move on to the next thing. If you leave some mystery or ambiguity to it, your mind (if you were interested in the first place) keeps mulling it over. It stays alive inside you.

For me, Castle Grayskull is still alive inside me because it's mysterious. But it is only mysterious if I decide the MOTUC bios and MOTUR depictions of it don't count. Which is exactly what I have done.

Another good example is Rob Zombie's exploration of Michael Myers's childhood in his Halloween remake. When I was younger, I liked seeing the explanation. But as I've grown older, I prefer Carpenter's version where Myers' bloodthirst just isn't explained at all.

But neither approach is wrong.

Originally Posted by InThe80s

This was part of why I think the 1987 movie Skeletor was actually the best Skeletor. He had actual eyes and a mouth.

NA Skeletor had eyeballs too...

Originally Posted by jibernish

...Another good example is Rob Zombie's exploration of Michael Myers's childhood in his Halloween remake. When I was younger, I liked seeing the explanation. But as I've grown older, I prefer Carpenter's version where Myers' bloodthirst just isn't explained at all.

But neither approach is wrong.

I know what you mean. Rob Zombie's Halloween completely destroyed Michael Myers.

Also I hated how Revelations had Castle Greyskull be a hologram/illusion hiding it's true form.

Originally Posted by Mark M

I know what you mean. Rob Zombie's Halloween completely destroyed Michael Myers.

Also I hated how Revelations had Castle Greyskull be a hologram/illusion hiding it's true form.

that's my biggest beef with MOTUR - Castle Grayskull's treatment. I know MOTUR didn't invent the illusion idea, but I still hate it.

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Luckily Zombie's treatment of Myers didn't continue on into future versions of the story. Hopefully for me, MOTUR will be the same. Those MOTUC bios have persisted and grown in representation though.

Originally Posted by jibernish

that's my biggest beef with MOTUR - Castle Grayskull's treatment. I know MOTUR didn't invent the illusion idea, but I still hate it.

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Luckily Zombie's treatment of Myers didn't continue on into future versions of the story. Hopefully for me, MOTUR will be the same. Those MOTUC bios have persisted and grown in representation though.

Like Zombie and Halloween, I just hope they learn from Revelations and don't let Smith work on anymore MOTU shows/movies.

Well, I would like to think I would have had a positive impact.

The larger issue is that social media did not exist in those days in the way it does now -- no Facebook, Twitter, etc. As a result, Mattel was forced to just roll out NA without prepping the fans, He-man and Skeletor abruptly pulled from Eternia. I've said in other posts that I don't think it was unreasonable for He-man to answer the call for help from Primus, just as our courageous servicemen and servicewomen answer calls for help from distant countries every day. I believe if NA was released today and Mattel could explain that NA would be just a different adventure for He-man and that he would be returning to Eternia after it was over, things might have gone differently.

Sadly, we'll never know.

But dear Gawd how I would have liked to produced Season 2 of NA with He-man and Skeletor returning to Eternia, along with Drissi, Mara, Flipshot, Flogg and Slushhead, only to find, in his absence, Man-at-Arms had become corrupted by having too much power, had imprisoned Randor and Marlena, and that The Sorceress, Teela and She-Ra had to form a triumvirate to overthrow MAA and then they became corrupted as well. Imagine He-man thrown into that mess, with Skeletor trying to manipulate it to his own purposes, to point of forming a strategic alliance with The Sorceress, Teela and She-ra, all the time all of the women from Eternia and Primus vying for He-man's attentions. And all of that doesn't even take into account The Horde! Sheesh!!!

I laid this all out years ago in a Masterscast podcast, but again, the problem was there was no social media back at NA's release to prepare fans:

https://masterscast.com/2007/01/28/m...st-episode-25/

In a career that has spanned almost four decades and over thirteen hundred episodes of television that I wrote, produced and directed, my not being able to produce Season 2 of NA remains a hole in my heart because after Season 1 I felt like I'd let the fans down. I was and am so grateful to BCI and BCI Guy for the release of the NA DVD collection through which many fans gave NA a second chance and came to understand that NA was just a different adventure, a lot of them ending up liking NA. But gosh how I would have loved to have done Season 2 of NA...

Originally Posted by motogp_fanatic

Kinda makes one wonder on how NA will fare back then if you have been involved on the voiceover work and more interaction with the artist.
I think if that aspect is bridged much better together with a familiar background music, it will be more loved than it is.

But I like it and that's what is important. It is a solid part of the MOTU mythos really.

Originally Posted by Heeeere's Olesker!

Well, I would like to think I would have had a positive impact.

The larger issue his that social media did not exist in those days in the way it does now -- no Facebook, Twitter, etc. As a result, Mattel was forced to just roll out NA without prepping the fans, He-man and Skeletor abruptly pulled from Eternia. I've said in other posts that I don't think it was unreasonable for He-man to answer the call for help from Primus, just as our courageous servicemen and servicewomen answer calls for help from distant countries every day. I believe if NA was released today and Mattel could explain that NA would be just a different adventure for He-man and that he would be returning to Eternia after it was over, things might have gone differently.

Sadly, we'll never know.

I can say, as a person with vivid childhood memory, that NA He-man might have done better if the toy line had kept the same figure style/size/buck. I remember being VERY excited to hear there were new He-man toys and then followed by extreme disappointment once I saw them. In my area, NA was never aired on non-cable channels so that also didn't help.

Originally Posted by Mark M

I know what you mean. Rob Zombie's Halloween completely destroyed Michael Myers.

Also I hated how Revelations had Castle Greyskull be a hologram/illusion hiding it's true form.

Originally Posted by Mark M

Originally Posted by jibernish

that's my biggest beef with MOTUR - Castle Grayskull's treatment. I know MOTUR didn't invent the illusion idea, but I still hate it.

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Luckily Zombie's treatment of Myers didn't continue on into future versions of the story. Hopefully for me, MOTUR will be the same. Those MOTUC bios have persisted and grown in representation though.

Like Zombie and Halloween, I just hope they learn from Revelations and don't let Smith work on anymore MOTU shows/movies.

So Smith is bad for using lore he didn't even invent and existed in 1983? Why not just say you're not a fan of that interpretation of Grayskull?

Originally Posted by Voodoo Magic

So Smith is bad for using lore he didn't even invent and existed in 1983? Why not just say you're not a fan of that interpretation of Grayskull?

I think it's fair to wish that Smith not be allowed to direct any more MOTU based on his decisions. He used a relatively unknown interpretation of the cornerstone of the mythos that runs against what most people view as the core nature of one of the most iconic things in all of MOTU.

Now a lot of people liked it - I'm not saying my opinion is fact. And I actually haven't heard that much criticism of it, so I guess that decision was received well enough overall. But I also think it's ok to say you don't want someone who makes decisions like that in charge. I would prefer Smith never touches anything MOTU again in his life. I'm not saying he's a bad person though.

Originally Posted by Voodoo Magic

So Smith is bad for using lore he didn't even invent and existed in 1983? Why not just say you're not a fan of that interpretation of Grayskull?

Regardless of who invented it I don't think that lore should have been used at all.

I did not say he was for using that lore specifically, I said he was a bad choice to work MOTU in general in any capacity.

Originally Posted by Mark M

Regardless of who invented it I don't think that lore should have been used at all.

I did not say he was for using that lore specifically, I said he was a bad choice to work MOTU in general in any capacity.

Who's to say which lore Kevin Smith uses is a good choice? If you like it, it's a good choice? What if others don't agree with you. Still a good choice, because of the me, myself and I factor?

Originally Posted by jibernish

I think it's fair to wish that Smith not be allowed to direct any more MOTU based on his decisions. He used a relatively unknown interpretation of the cornerstone of the mythos that runs against what most people view as the core nature of one of the most iconic things in all of MOTU.

"Relatively unknown" and "what most people view" can be debated, but keep in mind there is a flipside to that coin. Since there wasn't much lore to pull from on Castle Grayskull in the 1983 Filmation Series, he could have easily made up his own lore. Instead, they used pre-existing lore of the time, from the same year the series was airing and certainly can deserve credit for that.... regardless if it wouldn't be your personal choice.

Originally Posted by Voodoo Magic

Who's to say which lore Kevin Smith uses is a good choice? If you like it, it's a good choice? What if others don't agree with you. Still a good choice, because of the me, myself and I factor?



"Relatively unknown" and "what most people view" can be debated, but keep in mind there is a flipside to that coin. Since there wasn't much lore to pull from on Castle Grayskull in the 1983 Filmation Series, he could have easily made up his own lore. Instead, they used pre-existing lore of the time, from the same year the series was airing and certainly can deserve credit for that.... regardless if it wouldn't be your personal choice.

It can't really be debated in good faith. There are plenty of us here who know it, but if you polled the entire audience, the % who knew about that would be very low.

Anyways, I'm not really trying to debate whether it was a good decision or not. That's pointless. I hate it. And I think it's fair for anyone else who hates it to wish Smith would stay away from MOTU.

Originally Posted by jibernish

It can't really be debated in good faith. There are plenty of us here who know it, but if you polled the entire audience of the who, the % who knew about that would be very low.

Anyways, I'm not really trying to debate whether it was a good decision or not. That's pointless. I hate it. And I think it's fair for anyone else who hates it to wish Smith would stay away from MOTU.

I think a lot of us grew up loving the idea of Castle Grayskull and playing with the toy. The cartoon then gave us even more to love. The idea of it just being an illusion to another "real" castle? I can easily understand why people would be upset with that.

I do not care for it at all

Yeah the illusion of Castle grayskull SUCKS. It should have literally been built on-top of the hall of wisdom rather than being a hologram. Throw in some fake lore about it being built on the bones of a fallen giant in a time from long ago , then you might have something....

Call me weird, but I actually loved the idea of Grayskull being an illusion or what not covering up the OG castle.


But then, I'm also a major Halloween fan who also happened to enjoy BOTH of Zombie's iteration of Michael Myers (and yes I do think his Halloween 2 is a bit of a masterpiece)

Originally Posted by zodak74

Call me weird, but I actually loved the idea of Grayskull being an illusion or what not covering up the OG castle.

Filmation made it even more awesome with the spine and rib cage looking design. Bones as support beams and you're left wondering, did someone use a giant's frame or was this just the place it finally fell and they built the castle around it?

Originally Posted by Voodoo Magic

Who's to say which lore Kevin Smith uses is a good choice?...

Well at the very least I would have thought Mattel would have said it wasn't a good choice.
Mattel are only mass producing and marketing the Castle Greyskull toy at retail wanting kids to buy said toy etc only then for them to see that said castle on the show isn't the awesome toy they bought but just an illusion for a gereic fantasy anime castle.

Although with all the other stuff Mattel/Netflix allowed him to do with the show....

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Originally Posted by zodak74

Call me weird, but I actually loved the idea of Grayskull being an illusion or what not covering up the OG castle.


But then, I'm also a major Halloween fan who also happened to enjoy BOTH of Zombie's iteration of Michael Myers (and yes I do think his Halloween 2 is a bit of a masterpiece)

The second is slightly better than the first but that really isn't saying much.

Originally Posted by zodak74

Call me weird, but I actually loved the idea of Grayskull being an illusion or what not covering up the OG castle.


But then, I'm also a major Halloween fan who also happened to enjoy BOTH of Zombie's iteration of Michael Myers (and yes I do think his Halloween 2 is a bit of a masterpiece)

I've heard others say they like the illusion idea too. People I respect even, so it's fine. I just hate it personally.

I enjoyed that first Zombie Halloween for many years, and then something changed with me and I don't like it anymore. I like parts of it, the second one too, but I've gone back to the old school versions being my favorite. I'm turning into that cranky old man I guess. I know some people think#2 is heavily inspired by David Lynch's Fire Walk With Me.