Masters of the Universe Revelation Netflix Series

Originally Posted by Nikolaidas

Agreed! THere's something for everyone!

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I like making goofs like the following ...

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That's pretty funny, but I think what happened to Fisto and Clamp Champ would fit better. Dude killed them and then condemned their souls to hell. At least Adam knew Moss Man had found peace in Preternia. (Until he gets nuked, of course.)

Originally Posted by medium_pyro

Siiiiiigh. My point was to rebuff your notion that Skeletor was ever a violent character (off-screen) in Filmation canon. Earlier, you used this idea to justify Skeletor's portrayal in Revelation, remember? Yes, it's a kid show, we KNOW. But that's not relevant to what I was trying to put forth.

There was no alternative to Skeletor being depicted this way. There wasn't any other option. This was a kids cartoon during Reagan area where the FCC was hammering down on kids shows. Stun rays, the use of swords, all had strict guidelines. Even as a kid I knew why I saw Darth Vader kill but not Skeletor, and it wasn't because of character motivations. It was because one was a film and one was a kids cartoon. And it's why I didn't bat an eye when Skeletor killed in the 1987 film.

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Originally Posted by Stratos88

That's pretty funny, but I think what happened to Fisto and Clamp Champ would fit better. Dude killed them and then condemned their souls to hell. At least Adam knew Moss Man had found peace in Preternia. (Until he gets nuked, of course.)

Regarding joining forces with Skeletor....

Based on comments, I know some fans here, if they were Adam, they would have just locked Skeletor up when he showed up in shackles, and probably would have given him the big middle finger too. As Adam, maybe they would sentence Skeletor to death right there! So what if everyone just witnessed the horrific death of Preternia. So what if Marlena screamed she just killed everyone in heaven! So what if they're facing the end of the universe. Armageddon. So what if Adam says At this point we'd welcome any help that we can get from anyone..

To some degree, what actually happened in the show is like the United States teaming up with the murderous Stalin to defeat Hitler in World War 2. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. But alas... let's complain about this cartoon for ages 13 and up.

Originally Posted by Mach5

Someone did this:

https://i.imgur.com/JVt9ddq.png

Ugh... Cancel Culture at it's finest.

Don't like it? CANCEL IT!!

(Who cares about those who actually do appreciate it...?)

I don't mean you, Ornclown, I always agree with you.

Why does Filmation whether Filmation alludes to something or does something have any weight on anything that Mattel does with MOTU? Even in the 80s Mattel’s media varied from Filmation. Filmation is not the end all be all for MOTU, Mattel is… and they say there isn’t a canon but a multiverse so you’re argument is a moot point. It’s based on your own head canon built in Filmation. It’s a pointless argument. You’re argument about it being based on Filmation because it says “continuation of the 80s classic” is also wish fulfillment thinking because it doesn’t say Filmation. It’s say 80s classic. So is that the mini comics? Yes more likely because Revelation has more in common with the mini comics than it does with Filmation. Much more. It pays direct homage to lore beats in the mini comics while tipping the hat occasionally to Filmation and the movie.


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Originally Posted by Dice

Who doesn't want to die and go a "heaven" where there's like 8 other people and you'll never see any of your other friends or loved ones??


Do you think the Sorceress was as happy dead too?

The fact that you even felt the need to respond to something he made for fun says a lot

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They're going for 100 signatures and already have 61. Probably RIP Revelation. Sorry guys.

Shah. Right. Lmao.


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Originally Posted by Mach5

Someone did this:

https://i.imgur.com/JVt9ddq.png

Such idiocy. I hate Revelation, but that doesn't mean it doesn't deserve to continue if it there is a demand for this iteration of the brand.

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Originally Posted by Voodoo Magic

There was no alternative to Skeletor being depicted this way. There wasn't any other option. This was a kids cartoon during Reagan area where the FCC was hammering down on kids shows. Stun rays, the use of swords, all had strict guidelines. Even as a kid I knew why I saw Darth Vader kill but not Skeletor, and it wasn't because of character motivations. It was because one was a film and one was a kids cartoon. And it's why I didn't bat an eye when Skeletor killed in the 1987 film.

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Regarding joining forces with Skeletor....

Based on comments, I know some fans here, if they were Adam, they would have just locked Skeletor up when he showed up in shackles, and probably would have given him the big middle finger too. As Adam, maybe they would sentence Skeletor to death right there! So what if everyone just witnessed the horrific death of Preternia. So what if Marlena screamed she just killed everyone in heaven! So what if they're facing the end of the universe. Armageddon. So what if Adam says At this point we'd welcome any help that we can get from anyone..

To some degree, what actually happened in the show is like the United States teaming up with the murderous Stalin to defeat Hitler in World War 2. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. But alas... let's complain about this cartoon for ages 13 and up.

I think you missed my joke. He-man goes ******* when Skeletor kills Moss Man, but he barely acknowledges the fact that he killed the Sorceress. It's like you going mental at a person who punched your neighbor, but at the same time handwaving the fact he punched your sister later on.

This what I mean by bad writing and mischaracterization. This is what I mean by characters accomodating the story. He-Man stabbing Skeletor is an out of character moment which happens because Kevin Smith wanted He-Man to stab someone, character consistency be damned.

Originally Posted by Nikolaidas

Such idiocy. I hate Revelation, but that doesn't mean it doesn't deserve to continue if it there is a demand for this iteration of the brand.

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I think you missed my joke. He-man goes ******* when Skeletor kills Moss Man, but he barely acknowledges the fact that he killed the Sorceress. It's like you going mental at a person who punched your neighbor, but at the same time handwaving the fact he punched your sister later on.

This what I mean by bad writing and mischaracterization. This is what I mean by characters accomodating the story. He-Man stabbing Skeletor is an out of character moment which happens because Kevin Smith wanted He-Man to stab someone, character consistency be damned.

Im really confused here. Wasn't Adam not even in the Room when Skeletor killed the Sorceress. Also he was wounded.

Originally Posted by GranamyrGreen

Im really confused here. Wasn't Adam not even in the Room when Skeletor killed the Sorceress. Also he was wounded.

So Duncan never bothered to tell him?

Originally Posted by Nikolaidas

So Duncan never bothered to tell him?

Presumably told offscreen, but yeah I didn't even think of that. It would have been nice if there was a brief scene where Adam showed grief for her death.

Originally Posted by Voodoo Magic

Man you people. Unlike the CG show who race swapped main character Teela, and gender swapped main character Ram Man, they finally do what some want them to do, basically create a new character / plucked out of obscurity that can represent women of color and make her a main character, and not change a main character to do so, and you're still grumbling.

They're grumbling because she doesn't do much of anything other than be the eyes and ears for a casual member of the audience in part one, and doesn't do much as a main character in part two.

Race or gender-swapping a minor character and elevating them into a major character is a good way to do it, but once you've done it, bloody do something with it. Andra never felt like anything more than a token diversity points character, banal dialogue, zero agency in the plot, no character arc to speak of, and wasn't much of a hero's helper either. Should have been a Sam to Teela's Frodo, or maybe even Han to Teela's Luke.

I’m going to note that Nico has yet to comment on anything I’ve responded to him with in rebuttal to his prattling about Revelation ignoring established lore when I’ve presented that Revelation did not contradict established lore he cited or create something new and he’s disregarded that Mattel really determines the canon in this crusade of his to prove the inferiority of Revelation because of his misperception that it was supposed to continue Filmation rather than the classic 80s story, meaning 80s toyline, rather than his chosen version. This would establish that further discussion with him is pointless to many because he will not deviate from his view that Filmation is the canon and that is perfectly acceptable in regards to his personal, subjective experience. Objectively further debate will just be circular as he will just try to convince all of us that he is right, Filmation is the only canon, and we should all accept this vision of truth.

This is decreed on this day, December 3rd, in the year of our Lord 2021, the Council Of Nico, Capitol City of Eternia. The Palace.


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Originally Posted by Mach5

Race or gender-swapping a minor character and elevating them into a major character is a good way to do it, but once you've done it, bloody do something with it. Andra never felt like anything more than a token diversity points character, banal dialogue, zero agency in the plot, no character arc to speak of, and wasn't much of a hero's helper either. Should have been a Sam to Teela's Frodo, or maybe even Han to Teela's Luke.

What version of Revelation did you watch???


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Originally Posted by Parzival

I’m going to note that Nico has yet to comment on anything I’ve responded to him with in rebuttal to his prattling about Revelation ignoring established lore when I’ve presented that Revelation did not contradict established lore he cited or create something new and he’s disregarded that Mattel really determines the canon in this crusade of his to prove the inferiority of Revelation because of his misperception that it was supposed to continue Filmation rather than the classic 80s story, meaning 80s toyline, rather than his chosen version. This would establish that further discussion with him is pointless to many because he will not deviate from his view that Filmation is the canon and that is perfectly acceptable in regards to his personal, subjective experience. Objectively further debate will just be circular as he will just try to convince all of us that he is right, Filmation is the only canon, and we should all accept this vision of truth.

This is decreed on this day, December 3rd, in the year of our Lord 2021, the Council Of Nico, Capitol City of Eternia. The Palace.


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I am not in any crusade. I dislike this show - more than I should - and Castle Grayskull being/not being an illusion is the least of my issues.

I don't think there's a point in continuing this part of the conversation. I interpret 80's classic as the Filmation show, you interpret it as the toyline. I think we should agree to disagree and move on.

My problems with the show is the poor characterization, first and foremost. Mach5 claimed that Teela's birth scene was the only lore discontinuity, I added a couple more. I didn't remember Filmation ever alluding to Grayskull being an illussion, which is why I mentioned it. If it's in the lore bible, great. One issue down.

Originally Posted by Parzival

What version of Revelation did you watch???

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When they said SEQUEL to 80s classic, they knew that casual fans would infer that to mean Filmation.

Most people don't really think too hard about everything they read, and the word sequel usually refers to a new chapter of a story that's on the same medium. So this is a cartoon, which points to the 80s cartoon.

I'm not saying they lied, because you can have a sequel comic or novel or whatever to a movie or book. The script for Ghostbusters 3 movie actually worked it's way into a video game. It is a sequel.

Also, the mainstream audience probably don't consider the mini comics to be a classic. Most of us disagree, but they were hoping to get mainstream viewers,many of whom probably don't even know about the comics.

I don't think they lied. They just used weasel words on an audience who largely wouldn't know what they actually meant because implying it is a sequel to the much more popular and culturally relevant cartoon gave them a better chance for a large audience.

It's either weasel words or they did actually lie. They knew how most people would interpret it.

Originally Posted by jibernish

When they said SEQUEL to 80s classic, they knew that casual fans would infer that to mean Filmation.

Most people don't really think too hard about everything they read, and the word sequel usually refers to a new chapter of a story that's on the same medium. So this is a cartoon, which points to the 80s cartoon.

I'm not saying they lied, because you can have a sequel comic or novel or whatever to a movie or book. The script for Ghostbusters 3 movie actually worked it's way into a video game. It is a sequel.

Also, the mainstream audience probably don't consider the mini comics to be a classic. Most of us disagree, but they were hoping to get mainstream viewers,many of whom probably don't even know about the comics.

I don't think they lied. They just used weasel words on an audience who largely wouldn't know what they actually meant because implying it is a sequel to the much more popular and culturally relevant cartoon gave them a better chance for a large audience.

It's either weasel words or they did actually lie. They knew how most people would interpret it.

I personally think that they meant the cartoon, but felt that they could/would expand/merge the mythos with that of the toyline. Which is a move I could get behind, if done right

My problem is that I really didn't like the direction they took with the characters.

For example, Man at Arms goes from veteran soldier and inventor to a scorned father who literally either showers his daughter with praise, or protects her from harm. That's it. That's his whole shtick from start to finish. I couldn't believe the ego-stroking he would give Teela over and over. "Thank you for being my daughter". Yeah, usually it's the other way around - it's CHILDREN who thank their parents for raising them right and providing them with the resources and the fortitude to take on life's trials, not the other way around. How the child comes out of the parenting is solely the parent's doing, so a parent thanking a child for being the person that they are makes no sense at all and is shameless pandering. This has nothing to do with Filmation or the toyline or the lore - this is just a character whom I fail to connect in any way whatsoever because he's a narrative tool to convince me the protagonist is amazing, while I have yet to personally see WHY.

If you plan to make a show centered around a particular character, make sure that character is relatable in any way, ANY way at all so that I can empathise with her.

Originally Posted by GranamyrGreen

Im really confused here. Wasn't Adam not even in the Room when Skeletor killed the Sorceress. Also he was wounded.

Originally Posted by Nikolaidas

So Duncan never bothered to tell him?

FROM PRISON??? Duncan was in prison. He broke out of prison with the help of the Orlax when Skeletor and Adam were confronting Dark-Lyn.

This says it all folks. The main guy criticizing the writing doesn't know the writing enough that he's criticizing.

Originally Posted by Mach5

Race or gender-swapping a minor character and elevating them into a major character is a good way to do it, but once you've done it, bloody do something with it. Andra never felt like anything more than a token diversity points character, banal dialogue, zero agency in the plot, no character arc to speak of, and wasn't much of a hero's helper either. Should have been a Sam to Teela's Frodo, or maybe even Han to Teela's Luke.

Well, she was the only one who figured out how to re-forge the power sword while people like the legendary, powerful mage He-Ro just banged the two halves together like an idiot.

Originally Posted by Voodoo Magic

FROM PRISON??? Duncan was in prison. He broke out of prison with the help of the Orlax when Skeletor and Adam were confronting Dark-Lyn.

This says it all folks. The main guy criticizing the writing doesn't know the writing enough that he's criticizing.

Ah, I stand corrected. I have only seen up to episode 7.

I am trying to see it, but I can't.

Originally Posted by Cameron Samurai

They're grumbling because she doesn't do much of anything other than be the eyes and ears for a casual member of the audience in part one, and doesn't do much as a main character in part two.

The two posts I quoted and responded to were deleted because they were deemed inappropriate. So unless I'm misremembering, neither quote was yours, so I don't expect you can speak for their words or to their mindset.

But in regards to your feelings about Andra, first I would say this is MOTU. Everyone from the henchmen to the heroes often don't do much in regards to significance, other than to be a verbal springboard for He-Man and Skeletor. But to Andra doing anything significant specifically, I thought her plan to turn a tower into a Forge was a wicked idea!

Alas, for those who still think she wasn't significant enough, perhaps Andra as the new He-Man would have done it. Wasn't that supposed to happen anyway?

Originally Posted by Voodoo Magic

The two posts I quoted and responded to were deleted because they were deemed inappropriate. So unless I'm misremembering, neither quote was yours, so I don't expect you can speak for their words or to their mindset.

But in regards to your feelings about Andra, first I would say this is MOTU. Everyone from the henchmen to the heroes often don't do much in regards to significance, other than to be a verbal springboard for He-Man and Skeletor. But to Andra doing anything significant specifically, I thought her plan to turn a tower into a Forge was a wicked idea!

Alas, for those who still think she wasn't significant enough, perhaps Andra as the new He-Man would have done it. Wasn't that supposed to happen anyway?

I was not a fan of Andra either, but your point is extremely valid As much as I love Filmation, I would agree that most of the characters are not utilized as well as they could have been.

After some thought and discussion here though, I don't actually dislike Andra. I mentioned in a post a while back that I thought it would have been cool if Fisto or Clamp Champ had become MAA and took Andra on as an apprentice. And maybe replace the Duncan/Teela, Father/Daughter storyline with a new one. Andra mentioned she wants a family. I think it would have been cool to see Fisto or Clamp Champ become a father-figure of sorts for her. That would play well off of the whole Mother/Daughter storyline they had with Sorceress/Teela. I know they put Randor in that role, but that seemed forced to me.

At the end of it all, my only real beef with Andra is that I don't think she's deserving of the position of MAA. I guess it doesn't matter though because Teela can do almost anything.

Originally Posted by jibernish

I was not a fan of Andra either, but your point is extremely valid As much as I love Filmation, I would agree that most of the characters are not utilized as well as they could have been.

After some thought and discussion here though, I don't actually dislike Andra. I mentioned in a post a while back that I thought it would have been cool if Fisto or Clamp Champ had become MAA and took Andra on as an apprentice. And maybe replace the Duncan/Teela, Father/Daughter storyline with a new one. Andra mentioned she wants a family. I think it would have been cool to see Fisto or Clamp Champ become a father-figure of sorts for her. That would play well off of the whole Mother/Daughter storyline they had with Sorceress/Teela. I know they put Randor in that role, but that seemed forced to me.

At the end of it all, my only real beef with Andra is that I don't think she's deserving of the position of MAA. I guess it doesn't matter though because Teela can do almost anything.

Andra is fine. She's optimistic and wants to do the right thing. I don't remember if the show ever explained how she knows so much about tech, but it's a minor issue. She's a person that I'm willing to watch and doesn't make me want to tear my face off, and in this show, that's saying something.

I'd like her to have a flaw in order to give her room for growth, but I'll take what I can get. She's a breath of fresh air in a show which is all about doom and gloom and misery.

Originally Posted by Voodoo Magic

Does a wink make that comment nicer?

Let's try...

The fact that you spend all this time typing in a fan forum thread about a show you don't even like, says a lot.

Now let me add the wink.



All good.

The fact that you spend so much time being a superfan responding to all negative criticism is probably why you have no recollection of how much time I spent defending the first half of the show. Sorry for not being a blind super fan who cant acknowledge faults in the same show.