Masters of the Universe Revelation Netflix Series

Originally Posted by Mach5

Expressing certainty about an outcome of a future event is neither being positive nor hopeful, it's being per-judgmental. Optimistic prejudgment can, and often is just as damaging as the opposite.

That is an absolute load of rubbish.

Originally Posted by Mikey

That is an absolute load of rubbish.

You're more than welcome to back that up with an actual argument. I've changed my mind after being proven wrong before. No hill is worth dying on.

Originally Posted by Mach5

You're more than welcome to back that up with an actual argument. I've changed my mind after being proven wrong before. No hill is worth dying on.

You might want to give up the argument now, you're not going to win this battle of wills. My beliefs and values are deeply ingrained and you're not going to change my positive nature.

Originally Posted by GranamyrGreen

personally i prefer a Hordak who isn't a complete wimp and doesn't have his henchmen going to the prom with there enemies.

I'm going to stick my neck out here and say that I really enjoyed the prom episode of SPOP. I didn't much like the later seasons, but that first run of 13 eps was great, and the prom was quite possibly my favourite episode of them all.

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Originally Posted by Tallstar

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Nice find!

Love your posts Tallstar!

Originally Posted by Dice

Cooked well-done.

The over cooked filet mignon ruined my childhood damn you Kevin Smith..

Originally Posted by smanomega

The over cooked filet mignon ruined my childhood damn you Kevin Smith..

Don't forget, Kevin Smith not only ruined childhoods, he ruined the great He-Man himself, for the whole generation of fans that grew up with him!




So now that He-Man is completely ruined, where should we head next? G.I.Joe fandom? Transformers?

Originally Posted by Voodoo Magic

Don't forget, Kevin Smith not only ruined childhoods, he ruined the great He-Man himself, for the whole generation of fans that grew up with him!

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So now that He-Man is completely ruined, where should we head next? G.I.Joe fandom? Transformers?

Both IPs have been burned to the ground in the movie-realm, so ... let's ruin the animation series!

Originally Posted by Voodoo Magic

I doubt any of us "fanboys" who liked Revelation would be any different from the "fanboys" who didn't, meaning, none of us would be "shocked" if Revelation was a one and done.... just like many of us wasn't shocked that 200X He-Man was axed after one and a half seasons. And with Revelation's cast, that animation house, the impressive score, Revelation probably was more on the expensive side too... which decreases its chances even more I would imagine.

Actually, I feel like the 200x was fairly shocking, given Mattel had just shown off the 3ups for new toys at Wizards World and the show winning a day time Emmy (or something similar, for sound, I think? Been a long time obviously).

But anyways, I was more bummed about the 200x show getting canned than I would be if this one got the axe.

The whole point of Revelation (according to KS himself) was to tie-up all the lose ends left by the previous installments of the franchise.

But to me, the story of He-Man isn't fully told until the boy has become a man. In other words, until Adam has become king, with Teela at his side as his sorceress queen (analogous to King Grayskull and Veena).

This said, the thought of Revelation not getting a continuation really saddens me.

Originally Posted by Soulfly

Actually, I feel like the 200x was fairly shocking, given Mattel had just shown off the 3ups for new toys at Wizards World and the show winning a day time Emmy (or something similar, for sound, I think? Been a long time obviously).

I think it wasn't shocking to anyone paying attention to its struggling ratings though. That's why Cartoon Network kept moving the timeslot around because they were trying to find an audience for it. The Emmy brings back memories though. I remember that Emmy became a flag that often was waved at the portion of fans not very fond of the 200X series. Awesome they won it, but ultimately it was overall immaterial to the show's appeal or lack thereof, just a daytime Emmy for achievement in sound editing. Kind of like the first Suicide Squad's Academy Award win in Hair & Makeup.

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Originally Posted by Mach5

The whole point of Revelation (according to KS himself) was to tie-up all the lose ends left by the previous installments of the franchise.

But to me, the story of He-Man isn't fully told until the boy has become a man. In other words, until Adam has become king, with Teela at his side as his sorceress queen (analogous to King Grayskull and Veena).

Now, I would just LOVE to see that.

I assume the plan was/is the title "Revelation" stays with Season One, and each subsequent Season got its own subtitle. Well, whatever the odds are, here's hoping we get another!

Originally Posted by Voodoo Magic

I assume the plan was/is the title "Revelation" stays with Season One, and each subsequent Season got its own subtitle. Well, whatever the odds are, here's hoping we get another!

Yeah, I figured that as well, and I do like the concept. Like Spartacus, where each of the four seasons had a different title (Blood & Sand, Gods of the Arena, Vengeance and War of the Damned).

Since the term Revelation was confirmed to come from the Bible (Book of Revelation), MOTU: Apocalypse, or MOTU: Armageddon would make a lot of sense.

Originally Posted by Mach5

The whole point of Revelation (according to KS himself) was to tie-up all the lose ends left by the previous installments of the franchise.

But to me, the story of He-Man isn't fully told until the boy has become a man. In other words, until Adam has become king, with Teela at his side as his sorceress queen (analogous to King Grayskull and Veena).

All this was already covered in Classics.

Originally Posted by Dice

I would argue that it struggled because of the time slot Cartoon network assigned it. 7:00 on a Saturday night? there's a lot of people who have other things going on at that time besides watching television. Plus with all the re-runs of every other show it was hard if not impossible to find a repeat episode of 200X during the week. It frustrated me and I felt at the time most kids would be playing video games or be out with friends when it was being shown.

7pm on a Saturday? Nah, on average I would say kids were likely more home than not. That age group would most likely be out playing with their friends during the day, or the store with their parents, and then home by dinner. Before Breakfast and After Dinner was primetime watching for kids on a Saturday. And to say they were more likely to play video games at that time seems strange too. Video games were likely played at all different times. Cartoon Network gave the show a choice timeslot. I get you were a fan, but this does feel like reaching a bit.

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Was 7pm on Saturday its original timeslot though? I seem to remember the MYP show debuting on a Friday afternoon. But alas, the ol' memory is shaky on that.

Originally Posted by Voodoo Magic

7pm on a Saturday? Nah, on average I would say kids were likely more home than not. That age group would most likely be out playing with their friends during the day, or the store with their parents, and then home by dinner. Before Breakfast and After Dinner was primetime watching for kids on a Saturday. And to say they were more likely to play video games at that time seems strange too. Video games were likely played at all different times. Cartoon Network gave the show a choice timeslot. I get you were a fan, but this does feel like reaching a bit.

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Was 7pm on Saturday its original timeslot though? I seem to remember the MYP show debuting on a Friday afternoon. But alas, the ol' memory is shaky on that.

They changed the timeslot numerous times. I remember it was Friday night at one point, because I would get home from work and watch it while eating. But, it changed a few times for sure. I'd be willing to bet that caused serious damage by itself, then the blunders of the toy line my Mattel did it in. It's crazy. It's almost like they learned absolutely nothing as a company from the previous failure 20 years ago.

Anyways, all this has made me want to go re-watch the 200x cartoon again as I actually enjoyed that one.

Originally Posted by Voodoo Magic

7pm on a Saturday? Nah, on average I would say kids were likely more home than not. That age group would most likely be out playing with their friends during the day, or the store with their parents, and then home by dinner. Before Breakfast and After Dinner was primetime watching for kids on a Saturday. And to say they were more likely to play video games at that time seems strange too. Video games were likely played at all different times. Cartoon Network gave the show a choice timeslot. I get you were a fan, but this does feel like reaching a bit.

Didn't they that half the reason that show got cancelled is because the toys didn't sell. There was tons of He-man and Skeletor variants toys in that line. Hell people talk about the Filmation cartoon being toy commercial. But every couple of episode in 200X show, Skeletor and He-man would be wearing these crazy different outfits for no reason. Hell Battle Armor He-man/Skeletor never showed up in Filmation cartoon. Neither did the Slim Pit/Battle Bones/other stuff. But they change the intro Half Way during the Second Season just to show off the Snake Armor. That wasn't about Selling Toys. Frankly the show was like the 80's cartoon, if you sucked all the fun out of it.

Originally Posted by Dice

Well I can tell you my kids and their friends were either out playing or playing video games. How many kids do you have and how old were they when this series came out?

I'll refrain from answering personal questions like how many kids do I have, but know I was a kid and fan of Filmation first run episodes, saw the Dolph Lundgren film in the theater, and I have a family.

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Originally Posted by GranamyrGreen

Didn't they that half the reason that show got cancelled is because the toys didn't sell. There was tons of He-man and Skeletor variants toys in that line. Hell people talk about the Filmation cartoon being toy commercial. But every couple of episode in 200X show, Skeletor and He-man would be wearing these crazy different outfits for no reason. Hell Battle Armor He-man/Skeletor never showed up in Filmation cartoon. Neither did the Slim Pit/Battle Bones/other stuff. But they change the intro Half Way during the Second Season just to show off the Snake Armor. That wasn't about Selling Toys. Frankly the show was like the 80's cartoon, if you sucked all the fun out of it.

I remember the Neilson ratings weren't great for the show. If it was a bigger hit like Ben10, I think the toys would have subsequently reaped the benefits.

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Originally Posted by GranamyrGreen

Frankly the show was like the 80's cartoon, if you sucked all the fun out of it.

Yeah, I personally found it missing some desperately needed charm.

Originally Posted by Dice

Well the next time you want to tell someone their life experiences "feels like reaching" you probably should be able to provide a reason why.

Just you saying "Video games were likely played at all different times." is ridiculous to me as a parent of 3 boys and Uncle to 8 more.


"No kids would be playing video games at 7 on a Saturday night!"

Who's quote is that? Nobody's, yet you typed it.

And who said no kids would would be playing video games at 7pm? I just said I don't believe it's any more or any less than any other hours in a day where parents would allow video games to be played, and not enough to be a factor why the MYP He-Man struggled ratings-wise.

And Before Breakfast / After Dinner was primetime watching for kids on a Saturday back then. It's not "life experiences".

Originally Posted by jibernish

About there being less interest:

Personally, I think the reviews are bs, both critic and user. Especially the critics - if they are professionals, if they have integrity (which I know that many don't), they should have reviewed part 2 IF THEY LIKED PART 1. I think the reviews are nearly worthless, from both sides, because MOTUR was a cultural battle. And for some reason, the battlers have moved on to some other battleground at this point. I'm not saying that is the whole picture here, but I do believe it's going on. I am calling out both critics and users for posting dishonest reviews. And I don't see any rationale to put any confidence in critic reviews at this point. Users are fickle. They may just move on to something else, even if they liked a show. But if it's your job and you actually care about the duty you are performing, that being to relate information to your customers about a show/film, you just abandoned that audience. It's just pathetic. I know I am being harsh here, but movies are my favorite thing and all these fake critics who have joined in on the public discussion are a problem.

I have the answer to your question... It's two words.
Santa INC
I do not say this lightly, as I hated Revelation, but Seth Rogen suddenly makes Kevin Smith look like he has created a masterpiece.
And while this show has done beloved cartoon characters dirty and killed off some of them, I think Santa is far more well known to the general public than He-Man and Skeletor.
So simply, all the outrage was directed at that show (justified outrage, I might add) and Revelation part 2 kinda flew under the radar for most.

Originally Posted by Dice

P.S. did it bother anyone else that Spikor was shooting unlimited spikes out of his trident? Like were they reloading instantly out of his arm?

I mentioned in my review of that episode. It was ridiculous, like he was shooting a tommy gun with unlimited ammo, from a 3-prong trident. Isn't that thing officially a melee weapon in the toy bio, anyway? I was wondering where he got the ammunition, it felt like a 90ies B-movie action flick where no gun ever runs out of ammo.

Originally Posted by davelove81

I loved a lot of things about revelation but I'm not a fan of the castle being a " skin" over the hall of wisdom either , even if it based on a forgotten and abandoned piece of lore . I mean , me , if I can't relocate the orb of power to a safer location ,then why not just cast an illusion that renders the hall of wisdom invisible ,just a huge empty abyss in the floor to fool whoever came looking ? Rather than hiding the only building for miles around inside a similarly shaped similarly sized building ? Could have even made a great story about Adam being the only one in centuries capable of " seeing " the castle or having to " have faith and walk into the abyss " the first time he gains the power . I know the "illusion "theory has " precedent" in a line of dialogue from a book or a tape or something but it wasn't the best way to go .

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Ironically, that was how the 2021 Netflix MOTU show did it - until Adam inserts the sword into a receptacle, Castle Grayskull was invisible, just an empty door at the end of a chasm.

Originally Posted by Pundar

I also wonder if it was an intentional A Team reference when Andra shows up with that mohawk styled hair at the end and says “Thanks, T!”

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LOL, I doubt it. In fact I legit laughed when seeing Andra become Man-at-Arms (a title she really hasn't earned) and immediately adopts Teela's buzzcut hairstyle. It's like that hair goes with the territory.

Originally Posted by JSElshoff

That's a very important point. Characters like Fisto, Clamp-Champ, and Moss-Man were killed off after only seconds of appearing in the show. A very undeserving fate. Fans of these characters will certainly not want to commemorate these events by purchasing the toys based on the show that treated them that way.

Yeah, not a good way to sell toys. Stinkor only had one scene too, and Mer-Man did little other then being soundly beaten and sound like bored Batman. (still mad they did not do the burbling voice).
The only Revelation toy I bought was Moss Man - the 2002 show never got a proper show accurate Moss Man, the toy they released was just a flocked Beast Man, and the Revelation design looks close enough to the 2002 design for me. He is also the right size to go with those figures.

Originally Posted by Nikolaidas

I am not asking why she became genocidal - I am asking why didn't she just 'Thanos' Eternia like she did with Preternia. Was there a narrative reason - some kind of protective spell, the fact that Grayskull and the Orb reside there, Evil Lyn flat out saying she wants to kill the Eternians the old fashioned way to make it more fun, *something* that doesn't just scream bad writing?

Bad writing, pure and simple. She could wipe out Preternia, literally destroy heaven and utterly annihilate everyone in it with a thought!!!
But then, when fighting ADAM of all people, who has no magical abilities, she just resorts to telekinetically throwing rocks at him.
It was BAAAAAD.
It's like if after destroying a whole planet and wiping out a civilization in Dragonball Z, Frieza would start fighting Goku by just flinging pebbles at him. :P

Originally Posted by Durendal

All this was already covered in Classics.

For most of us nothing really feels covered unless it's done in animation or live action.

Originally Posted by BB Shockwave

Bad writing, pure and simple. She could wipe out Preternia, literally destroy heaven and utterly annihilate everyone in it with a thought!!!
But then, when fighting ADAM of all people, who has no magical abilities, she just resorts to telekinetically throwing rocks at him.
It was BAAAAAD.
It's like if after destroying a whole planet and wiping out a civilization in Dragonball Z, Frieza would start fighting Goku by just flinging pebbles at him. :P

I think this is less of a case of bad writing and more of a case of not fully paying attention.

So prior to this point, all Dark-Lyn set to accomplish is to free Eternia from the shackles of spirituality and Eternia to embrace the chaos.

When Adam and Skeletor arrive, Dark-Lyn is continuing a descent into madness. Right before they arrive, she tells Beast Man she witnessed the death of God at the beginning of time. She said "The more I see the fabric of all things, the horror, the pain that ties us together, the more convinced I am that all of it should burn." So focus on that. Not convinced yet everything should burn, but she's on a decent that eventually will get there, the more she stares into the void, no doubt.

Then Adam and Skeletor immediately arrive and Adam tells her "You are the most powerful being that ever lived. Fighting you fighting you would be useless." Which Lynn counters with "But sooo much more fun." So she wants to toy with them, the two that, to this point, have always been more powerful than her.

Originally Posted by Dice

You said it right here like 4 posts prior.

Errrr, are we in Bizarro World?

Dude, this quote you keep suggesting I said:

Originally Posted by Dice

"No kids would be playing video games at 7 on a Saturday night!"

...does not equate or represent my actual quote or thought:

Originally Posted by Voodoo Magic

And to say they were more likely to play video games at that time seems strange too. Video games were likely played at all different times.

This should be simple comprehension stuff. I don't even know what else to say....

Again, no one said kids wouldn't be playing video games at 7pm I just said I don't believe it's any more or any less than any other hours in a day where parents would allow video games to be played, and not enough to be a factor why the MYP He-Man struggled ratings-wise. So stop saying I said something I didn't. Sheesh.

Originally Posted by Dice

Hmm now I understand what quote you were reffering to. My confusion was that I never said YOU said that. It was just a statement highlighting the silliness of the idea.

A silly idea that no one floated in this thread except you though.

Originally Posted by Dice

And I disagree. Saturday nights are the one night a week where there was no homework assigned and no school the next day. If my kids were going to have friends over late, it was almost always on Saturday night. And they did not sit around watching TV unless there was a game controller in their hands. Saturday nights were also the nights we were most likely to go out to dinner, watch a movie, or do some other activity.

I believe that if the MYP He-man had been broadcast during the week after school, it would have done much better and had a bigger audience.

First, I believe MYP He-Man debuted in the Summer, if I recollect correctly, not during school.

But second, I get your personal life experience, and I can explain mine, but neither matter what our personal experiences detail. Yours, mine, they just don't matter. Back then children shows during the Saturday evening / after dinner hours would just attract bigger audiences then during the day on Saturday. It was known as children's Saturday primetime. The ratings were just generally higher Saturday evening. More viewership, regardless if it suited one's personal & professional lifestyle or not, suited the way one would parent, suited what our personal kids liked to do, where they would go and what activities they liked to participate in. Our own perspectives are just individual narrow ways of looking at things, among a sea of different children and parent lifestyles and schedules.

But alas, it's a different world now, and streaming has changed the whole way so many watch television.

When I was growing up, cartoons were exclusively Saturday morning for the Networks. Syndicated cartoons were mainly on weekday mornings and afternoons. I remember watching stuff like 227 and Golden Girls on Saturday nights.