Masters of the Universe Revelation Netflix Series

Originally Posted by Voodoo Magic

A film in development hell is completely irrelevant as a comparison to an established series getting a season two where contracts are almost always in place with Season Two options.

Also, this is a lot of mental gymnastics and rare what-ifs to suggest Pixel Dan using noncommittal phrases like "as of now" and "I believe" is good to share information. Heck, we say "I believe" all the time in place of "I know" in these threads... because we don't know! And when talent behind a show talks about their show being cancelled, none of them say "It was cancelled... as of now" Because what you're speaking of is so rare.

Really a better post would be... (if he actually knows something concrete)

"From what I've been hearing, there won't be another season."

Boom. Not specific but clear, concise and easy for fans to unpack and extrapolate. And it's not a declarative statement.

A dead project doesn't always remain dead, be that a film in development hell or a tv series that was cancelled.

I found Pixel Dan's post super easy to unpack and extrapolate as is. I don't find your post any better.

Originally Posted by jibernish

I found Pixel Dan's post super easy to unpack and extrapolate as is. I don't find your post any better.

My alternative shows he's heard from someone in the know (on the inside at Netflix or Mattel) that there won't be a Season two,. His states that as of now, this is what he believes. But okay....

Heck, even I "believe" there won't be.

Originally Posted by mizterfish

I’m amazed at the number of “fans” that would rather see a brand/toyline die than just accept that they didn’t care for it, but others might.

Ah, here we go again with the ''fans'' b.s...blaming the customer for being right than ever acknowledge that the brand was doing something very evidently wrong.

If Mattel gives up on it this time, we’re not getting anything else in our lifetime, and when we’re dead and gone, so too will be MOTU

An overexaggeration if ever there was one. Most of us are, what, late 30s-early 40s? Assuming there's no accidents or health risks, we'll see plenty more MOTU in our lives to come, but we should come to accept by now MOTU will always have miscalculations.

Instead, we got supposed fans that chose to personally attack Kevin Smith and others because the show didn’t fit their perception of what a modern MOTU show should have been.

Considering those fans have backed the CGI MOTU show, I'd say they're very accepting of a modern MOTU show with radicalised changes to the narrative, so long as the show has likeable characters, plots that make sense, and has a sense of complexity and simplicity that drawns in whole families to watch, not cringey mentally 18 edgelords wanting their brand to 'grow up' with them (and in such an adolescent manner at that)

Revelation turned out OK in the end, but it had a lot of flaws along the way. You need to take the L and face up to them, admit there was a problem, and maybe realize what you want isn't what the world actually needs right now.

Originally Posted by Cameron Samurai

Revelation turned out OK in the end, but it had a lot of flaws along the way. You need to take the L and face up to them, admit there was a problem, and maybe realize what you want isn't what the world actually needs right now.

There's no need for Revelation fans to take an L and admit there was a problem. I don't see MYP fans taking the L on the 200X series and admit there was a problem because the show's ratings kept dropping and the toys didn't sell well. By your logic, what fans of the 200X series wanted wasn't what the world actually needed then either.

Originally Posted by Voodoo Magic

"As of now?" "I don't believe? This is the most noncommittal statement I've ever read.

"As of now" means tomorrow can be different. "I believe" means he thinks but doesn't know for certain.

........

Also, this is a lot of mental gymnastics and rare what-ifs to suggest Pixel Dan using noncommittal phrases like "as of now" and "I believe" is good to share information.

It's not mental gymnastics. The discussion is about PD's statement being noncommittal. I brought up a non-exhaustive list of reasons why someone would make a noncommittal statement in a situation like this. I wasn't arguing anything other than 'his post makes sense to me for such and such reasons'. When someone says "as of now" it implies that things could change. Bringing up some reasons why things like this do change in response to criticism of the statement is completely germane to the discussion being had. When we don't know something definitively, it's appropriate to explore ideas. It's not gymnastics. It's discussion. I'm not trying hard to convince anyone of anything, including myself.

You didn't need to explain the difference between your alternative statement and his. I never said there wasn't a difference. I just said I didn't find your statement any easier to decipher than his. I trust PD's intentions and that he picked the best words for what he wanted to communicate. I'm used to people in some position of authority or with insider information using vague phrases to communicate things. Politicians, head coaches, CEO's, producers and directors all do this. Sometimes what isn't said also communicates information. You said yourself that you would be sharing information about the MOTU film's production only to the extent that your source felt comfortable sharing it. PD is very likely doing the same here, choosing his words to suit the situation he's in. We don't know what that is, btw, so it's a little difficult to say he chose the wrong words when we don't fully know the situation. It's usually the case when someone shares some unauthorized behind the scenes information that some people will misinterpret it. But if you know how to translate these kinds of messages, it's not really that hard to get the interpretation right most of the time.

Anyways, I personally trust that PD has the right intentions regarding MOTU. It feels as if you are calling him out, which is your prerogative of course. I have been watching him for over a decade and I don't believe he would do anything to hurt the brand, so I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt regarding this post.

No one is calling out Dan for having the wrong intentions. I just don't know what to do with that tweet of his. How to process it. All of us believes one way or another in things that will happen. We hypothesize. If you watch his videos, Dan hypothesizes too. But how does one separate what Dan believes, from what Dan found out and disguises as belief? We can't. So it's not a great way to communicate a scoop if that's what you're indeed trying to communicate.

And yes, I am going to share information about the live-action film to the extent this person feels comfortable with, but I'm not going to do that.

Originally Posted by Voodoo Magic

Of course you have no evidence it's a "flop", rather you just want it to be a flop. I have no evidence it was a success either, but the fact that it wasn't quickly terminated by Netflix like Cowboy Bebop probably means it's a good thing in regards to Revelation being some degree of a success, regardless of what happens. Kevin Smith indicating Netflix hadn't still decided long after Season Two hit certainly doesn't suggest it was a flop, or there would be nothing for Netflix to think about or consider.

I don't know if it was a flop for Netflix or not, but a lack of announcement doesn't necessarily mean anything.

For example: The cancellation of "Julie and the Phantoms" was announced more than one year after the first (and only) season.

Originally Posted by mizterfish

Not sure why it posted twice

Because it's the truth

I agree wholeheartedly with your post. Its been depressing to see some sections of the fanbase's reaction to the series and new trolls who constantly whine that Kevin Smith ruined their childhoods and Revelation is the worst thing ever to exist etc. And these are so called adults, very strange. I'm all for fans having a difference in option but the constant bashing is tiresome and incredibly childish. Twitter and Youtube are littered with them.

I really hope we do get something else in Revelation's vein in the future. Any movie or further series will most likely follow the CGI series and all the changes it has, because it will meet Hollywoods requirements.

Originally Posted by Konja9

I don't know if it was a flop for Netflix or not, but a lack of announcement doesn't necessarily mean anything.

For example: The cancellation of "Julie and the Phantoms" was announced more than one year after the first (and only) season.

True, it doesn't mean it will be renewed. Netflix took like 14-15 months to decide on the Phantoms renewal. One of the producers literally learned that week that after all that consideration time, Netflix opted not to renew. It was a crazy weird-long wait.

But would that mean the show was a flop? It obviously wasn't a roaring success (cost versus viewership / new subscription revenue) but it's hard to imagine a "flop" would be considered for that long period of time. It's probably in that middle-ground, where I'm guessing Revelation might stand.

Originally Posted by Cameron Samurai

Ah, here we go again with the ''fans'' b.s...blaming the customer for being right than ever acknowledge that the brand was doing something very evidently wrong.



An overexaggeration if ever there was one. Most of us are, what, late 30s-early 40s? Assuming there's no accidents or health risks, we'll see plenty more MOTU in our lives to come, but we should come to accept by now MOTU will always have miscalculations.



Considering those fans have backed the CGI MOTU show, I'd say they're very accepting of a modern MOTU show with radicalised changes to the narrative, so long as the show has likeable characters, plots that make sense, and has a sense of complexity and simplicity that drawns in whole families to watch, not cringey mentally 18 edgelords wanting their brand to 'grow up' with them (and in such an adolescent manner at that)

Revelation turned out OK in the end, but it had a lot of flaws along the way. You need to take the L and face up to them, admit there was a problem, and maybe realize what you want isn't what the world actually needs right now.

Nah. Toxic is toxic and there is no room for abusing show creators when you don’t like something. Choosing to watch something or not is one thing, actively rooting against it because you don’t like the guy in charge is another.

There have been a number of reasonable complaints about the show, which I can respect. That said, MOST of the criticism I’ve seen is stuff like this:

“Kevin Smith LIED to us!”

“Teela looks like a man/lesbian/etc”

None of these are thoughtful criticisms. These are what I refer to as toxic. These are the people that would rather have no new media than something that goes against their idea of perfection.


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Originally Posted by Orko's Magic Hat

Because it's the truth

I agree wholeheartedly with your post. Its been depressing to see some sections of the fanbase's reaction to the series and new trolls who constantly whine that Kevin Smith ruined their childhoods and Revelation is the worst thing ever to exist etc. And these are so called adults, very strange. I'm all for fans having a difference in option but the constant bashing is tiresome and incredibly childish. Twitter and Youtube are littered with them.

This is a common problem with being a fan of "toy" or cartoon line. You're going to have all types and a lot of them aren't exactly what people might call "well adjusted".

I worried that Revelation wasn't going to do well after seeing it in it's entirety. My worry, so far, appears to have been justified.

Although I'd also say, how do you know how well a Netflix show does??

Originally Posted by Orko's Magic Hat

I really hope we do get something else in Revelation's vein in the future. Any movie or further series will most likely follow the CGI series and all the changes it has, because it will meet Hollywoods requirements.

So this is kinda my hope, that the CGI series, and possibly a movie, could reignite people's desire for more Revelation (or something more like it). Hopefully they'll continue to do well.

Originally Posted by Voodoo Magic

No one is calling out Dan for having the wrong intentions. I just don't know what to do with that tweet of his. How to process it. All of us believes one way or another in things that will happen. We hypothesize. If you watch his videos, Dan hypothesizes too. But how does one separate what Dan believes, from what Dan found out and disguises as belief? We can't. So it's not a great way to communicate a scoop if that's what you're indeed trying to communicate.

And yes, I am going to share information about the live-action film to the extent this person feels comfortable with, but I'm not going to do that.

Thanks for clarifying. I can understand. I wish I could get clear information from David Lynch about what it was he was working on last year - new Twin Peaks, or something else? But we never got it and being in limbo isn't fun when you really want to see the next chapter of something.

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Originally Posted by Orko's Magic Hat

Because it's the truth

I agree wholeheartedly with your post. Its been depressing to see some sections of the fanbase's reaction to the series and new trolls who constantly whine that Kevin Smith ruined their childhoods and Revelation is the worst thing ever to exist etc. And these are so called adults, very strange. I'm all for fans having a difference in option but the constant bashing is tiresome and incredibly childish. Twitter and Youtube are littered with them.

I really hope we do get something else in Revelation's vein in the future. Any movie or further series will most likely follow the CGI series and all the changes it has, because it will meet Hollywoods requirements.

I ask this in all sincerity. Is there a significantly large number of people still attacking Smith and MOTUR on Twitter and Youtube? I am not on Twitter, so I don't know there. And I'm not seeing much of anything on YouTube, however I don't watch those channels all that much so they are not showing up in my feed and maybe I'm missing them.

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Originally Posted by mizterfish

Nah. Toxic is toxic and there is no room for abusing show creators when you don’t like something. Choosing to watch something or not is one thing, actively rooting against it because you don’t like the guy in charge is another.

There have been a number of reasonable complaints about the show, which I can respect. That said, MOST of the criticism I’ve seen is stuff like this:

“Kevin Smith LIED to us!”

“Teela looks like a man/lesbian/etc”

None of these are thoughtful criticisms. These are what I refer to as toxic. These are the people that would rather have no new media than something that goes against their idea of perfection.


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Are you talking about this thread? The thread started off with a lot of those types of complaints, but the last few months I haven't seen much of that here. Maybe it's happening on Twitter and YouTube and Facebook - I don't know. But there have been dozens and dozens and dozens of complaints against the show in this thread in the last three months besides the three you mentioned that have been thought out and substantiated, even though many still disagree. I'm honestly curious where you are still seeing the criticisms you have mentioned.

I think part of the divide comes down to people not being more clear in who exactly we are talking about.

Not so much in this thread, but yes, any new mention of Revelation, the show or toys, on FB, YouTube, etc, all still get these comments.

Even if Netflix ordered another season, would Kevin Smith even want to do it? After getting criticized so much, would you? It would definitely take the wind out of my sails.

Same for Star Wars, who in their right mind would even want to touch it anymore? I saw a comment after one episode of Book of Boba Fett that they “ruined the character”. There is no avoiding these comments since everyone has a platform with social media.


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Originally Posted by mizterfish

Not so much in this thread, but yes, any new mention of Revelation, the show or toys, on FB, YouTube, etc, all still get these comments.

Even if Netflix ordered another season, would Kevin Smith even want to do it? After getting criticized so much, would you? It would definitely take the wind out of my sails.

Same for Star Wars, who in their right mind would even want to touch it anymore? I saw a comment after one episode of Book of Boba Fett that they “ruined the character”. There is no avoiding these comments since everyone has a platform with social media.


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Gotcha. I know Twitter is the worst so I'm not surprised that any manner of trash is espoused there.

You can't do anything great anymore without some small but vocal group of yahoos trying to ruin you for it. And sometimes the group isn't so small either. So you just have to learn to deal with it. Easier said than done I'm sure. While I wouldn't want to be in Smith's shoes as I'm sure it wasn't fun, there are people like Jackie Robinson who faced much worse than Smith did and managed to handle it. I'm not even saying Smith handled it badly (don't really want to get into it), but if it's something you really want to do, you find a way to deal with it.

If Smith doesn't take it on, I hope the next iteration is taken on by someone who really loves MOTU. Smith has admitted he wasn't a fan. I'm sure he became a fan as he got to know the property - I don't doubt that for a second. But it's different when you grow up loving something.

Originally Posted by jibernish

I ask this in all sincerity. Is there a significantly large number of people still attacking Smith and MOTUR on Twitter and Youtube? I am not on Twitter, so I don't know there. And I'm not seeing much of anything on YouTube, however I don't watch those channels all that much so they are not showing up in my feed and maybe I'm missing them.

Youtube yes, Pixel Dan has been uploading his Revelation figure reviews this week. I've caught a few and the childish comments make their way there too.

Originally Posted by Orko's Magic Hat

Youtube yes, Pixel Dan has been uploading his Revelation figure reviews this week. I've caught a few and the childish comments make their way there too.

Ah yes, the comments section of YouTube. I was thinking about people making hate videos, but I forgot about the comment section. Sigh...

So is Man-At-Arms the real daddy in this series? I couldn't tell.

Originally Posted by DynastyMasters

So is Man-At-Arms the real daddy in this series? I couldn't tell.

Yes


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Originally Posted by Orko's Magic Hat

Youtube yes, Pixel Dan has been uploading his Revelation figure reviews this week. I've caught a few and the childish comments make their way there too.

Yep, those comments were top of mind when I wrote my posts here earlier.


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I just read the comments on the Teela video. Yikes! You all aren't kidding. Some pretty mean spirited stuff there.

I hope people realize that these people aren't representative of everyone who dislikes the show. I don't like it but I'd never sit down and have a chat about the show with these guys. I think their opposition should ignore these kinds of people. They are just nasty and making the mistake of lumping everyone who dislikes your show in with these 10 year old bullies isn't good for anyone. It just breaks down any chance for useful conversation. These kinds of comments are just trash. Absolutely agree with you all. But there are also real reasons why people dislike the show.

This culture war sucks.

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I have to amend my post. Those comments aren't just mean spirited, many of them are just hateful. I've criticized the subternia out of MOTUR but I'd never stand with those people and if they were posting here I'd call them out.

Originally Posted by Cameron Samurai

Ah, here we go again with the ''fans'' b.s...blaming the customer for being right than ever acknowledge that the brand was doing something very evidently wrong.

...such as what?!?

Originally Posted by Cameron Samurai

Revelation turned out OK in the end, but it had a lot of flaws along the way. You need to take the L and face up to them, admit there was a problem, and maybe realize what you want isn't what the world actually needs right now.

This is assuming that there was a problem to begin with. For most fans, there wasn't. And other than a few odd choices, Revelation turned out to be a really great show.

Originally Posted by Ornclown

...such as what?!?



This is assuming that there was a problem to begin with. For most fans, there wasn't. And other than a few odd choices, Revelation turned out to be a really great show.

I absolutely agree with you Ornclown!

Kevin Smith still doesn't know if there's going to be a MOTU:R Season 2.

1:49:30 - 1:50:54 (Time stamps may change due to some edits later in the day)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkdJuGisiP4

Flex Armstrong and the Flex Fighters hasn't gotten an official renewal or cancellation notice, but it has been over 3 years since the last new episode. Sometimes, you just have to put two and two together after awhile. It is a little too early for that right now, but animation takes awhile so they can't sit on it too much longer. Half the purpose of this show is to sell toys and Mattel is probably footing part of the bill. If they don't think Revelation toys will be around in two years, they might be less likely to front costs.

Originally Posted by Tallstar

Kevin Smith still doesn't know if there's going to be a MOTU:R Season 2.

1:49:30 - 1:50:54 (Time stamps may change due to some edits later in the day)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkdJuGisiP4

Awesome! Thanks for isolating the clip Tallstar! ��

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Originally Posted by Firefly

Flex Armstrong and the Flex Fighters hasn't gotten an official renewal or cancellation notice, but it has been over 3 years since the last new episode. Sometimes, you just have to put two and two together after awhile. It is a little too early for that right now, but animation takes awhile so they can't sit on it too much longer. Half the purpose of this show is to sell toys and Mattel is probably footing part of the bill. If they don't think Revelation toys will be around in two years, they might be less likely to front costs.

Genuine question: Are the makers of that show (Flex Armstrong) saying they still haven't heard one way or another, 3 years later, about renewal or cancelation? Or do they know and no one has publicly asked them? What I mean is, I have to imagine the producers of Armstrong know personally at this point, even if there wasn't a public announcement made. But luckily for us, we have paths of access to Kevin to keep asking him until he does know.