Masters of the Universe Revelation Netflix Series

I don't know why people keep bringing up 200X as some sort of "gotcha" as a show that's supposedly so much better than Revelation.

Like, how many of you have actually rewatched it recently? Nearly every character gives off the vibe of hating every other character. The screen flashes so much it feels like they put on a strobe light at times. Teela throws out a perfectly good dress that was loaned to her for vague and shallow "girl power" reasons. He-Man is treated as so essential to saving the day that several characters are sidelined and robbed of agency in their own character arcs just so He-Man can punch some things. The entire Snakemen arc outstayed its welcome and only served to delay essential plotlines. Several of the fights are just characters twirling weapons at each other. They shaded everything with an absolutely horrendous dull mustard shade to the point where several shots look outright atrocious.

Heck, I could go on an entire essay alone of how badly 200X botched Orko's entire arc by completely missing the point of the bogstandard "orko runs away" plot by switching around the moral. Instead of the lesson being "You shouldn't run away because, useful or not, your friends love you would be devastated if you were gone" to "Actually, you ARE useful, because your failure is funny to them" which is outright insulting.

All the shows are pretty significantly flawed in their own unique ways. Filmation had inconsistent episodic writing and cheap animation shortcuts. NA got rid of almost all the original characters. 200X had the problems listed above. Revelation was rushed to a fault and prioritized stakes over characters. CGI is an outlier due to having only relatively superficial issues, but it's also not done yet.

Pretending one show or the other is the absolute pinnacle of good storytelling is absurd. Revelation may be a hot mess, but so were the shows before it.

I don't hate 200X... but, it is my least favorite iteration of MOTU.

It was a product of its time, just like New Adventures before it and Filmation before that.

That's why I think it's funny when people criticize Revelation for including Andra, or *gasp* Teela letting her hair down, or even having He-Man need some help from his friends.

Revelation is a product of its time too... and that time happens to be now. Some people just can't handle the direction that the franchise is moving... but, just like all the prior MOTU efforts, those people will lose interest in hating on it and move on.

Originally Posted by RiverToad

I don't know why people keep bringing up 200X as some sort of "gotcha" as a show that's supposedly so much better than Revelation.

Like, how many of you have actually rewatched it recently? Nearly every character gives off the vibe of hating every other character. The screen flashes so much it feels like they put on a strobe light at times. Teela throws out a perfectly good dress that was loaned to her for vague and shallow "girl power" reasons. He-Man is treated as so essential to saving the day that several characters are sidelined and robbed of agency in their own character arcs just so He-Man can punch some things. The entire Snakemen arc outstayed its welcome and only served to delay essential plotlines. Several of the fights are just characters twirling weapons at each other. They shaded everything with an absolutely horrendous dull mustard shade to the point where several shots look outright atrocious.

Heck, I could go on an entire essay alone of how badly 200X botched Orko's entire arc by completely missing the point of the bogstandard "orko runs away" plot by switching around the moral. Instead of the lesson being "You shouldn't run away because, useful or not, your friends love you would be devastated if you were gone" to "Actually, you ARE useful, because your failure is funny to them" which is outright insulting.

All the shows are pretty significantly flawed in their own unique ways. Filmation had inconsistent episodic writing and cheap animation shortcuts. NA got rid of almost all the original characters. 200X had the problems listed above. Revelation was rushed to a fault and prioritized stakes over characters. CGI is an outlier due to having only relatively superficial issues, but it's also not done yet.

Pretending one show or the other is the absolute pinnacle of good storytelling is absurd. Revelation may be a hot mess, but so were the shows before it.

So, to summarize...you basically don't care for any of them.

Originally Posted by depp76

So, to summarize...you basically don't care for any of them.

Ha ha, nice one.

But in case anyone takes this as being serious, no I don't hate the shows. I actually adore Filmation, more or less enjoy Revelation despite its flaws, am really hoping to form an attachment to CGI, and 200X was even the first MOTU that got me into the franchise, so it's very nostalgic for me. I just understand that shows have flaws and that ignoring those flaws, especially to put down something else, is generally a bad idea.

All the shows are products of their time. Filmation’s strict adherence to being family friendly, 20XX on the crest of hardcore reboots of 80s properties (look at the comics for Transformers, GI Joe, and Voltron at the same time) and now Revelation and our modern day focuses. It’s a byproduct of the system.

Originally Posted by Cosmic

Glad that you are here to tell us what is great writing and what is garbage.
And to tell us what people are sick and tired of.
And all the things that are wrong with millennials.
Next thing tell people to get off your lawn.

Maybe, maybe not, but if you used reading comprehension, I added a key word in there that may or may not help with your hurt feelings (which is something else associated with Millennials).

Originally Posted by Cosmic

Glad that you are here to tell us what is great writing and what is garbage.
And to tell us what people are sick and tired of.
And all the things that are wrong with millennials.
Next thing tell people to get off your lawn.

I absolutely agree with you Cosmic!

Originally Posted by RiverToad

I don't know why people keep bringing up 200X as some sort of "gotcha" as a show that's supposedly so much better than Revelation.

Pretending one show or the other is the absolute pinnacle of good storytelling is absurd. Revelation may be a hot mess, but so were the shows before it.

I think fans (like myself) enjoyed 200X more because it highlighted almost all the characters to some degree. It also made each of them look like capable "warriors", both good and bad. Skeletor with his magic was shown to be really powerful and a capable warrior along with Evil-lyn. Overall it just gave us a more adult action MOTU.

Revelation could have easily had all the things that we liked about 200X plus more. But that's not the direction they went.

Originally Posted by Dice

I think fans (like myself) enjoyed 200X more because it highlighted almost all the characters to some degree. It also made each of them look like capable "warriors", both good and bad. Skeletor with his magic was shown to be really powerful and a capable warrior along with Evil-lyn.

Just popping in to say I'm sad that Rikki Roxx left the site because he didn't want to argue with bad-faith detractors anymore. If you like He-Man but can't discuss it on a HE-MAN FAN SITE, where are you supposed to go during this pandemic?

I'm sure if Revelations continues we'll get stories focusing on other characters, but it would take time to do that. I can wait.

Netflix is making a movie, claiming the success of Revelations and CGI as having proven interest. If they're "lying" about that success and doubling down, I hope they continue to throw their money at it, just to prove the haters wrong! If we get six seasons and a movie out of spite, I'm totally fine with that, lol

Originally Posted by RiverToad

I don't know why people keep bringing up 200X as some sort of "gotcha" as a show that's supposedly so much better than Revelation.

It's not just here but all over social media too. I find it a strange phenomenon. Some 200X fans (not all) seemingly feel almost threatened by Revelation. There is a strange us versus them component that doesn't need to be there. Rooting for Revelation to fail, laughing because they think it did, when I personally felt bad for 200X fans (while not being one) when that show didn't perform well and was axed prematurely.

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Originally Posted by Cosmic

Glad that you are here to tell us what is great writing and what is garbage.
And to tell us what people are sick and tired of.
And all the things that are wrong with millennials.
Next thing tell people to get off your lawn.

Plus we're being told Revelation was a "flop" and a "turd" too, while the President of Mattel said..... ****gasp*** ...Revelation ranked as the #1 kids series on its opening weekend, ranked as an overall top-5 series in 20 countries, and ranked top-10 series in 55 countries.

(Yep! I went looking for proof)

Mattel was very happy with the launch of ”Masters of the Universe: Revelation” and the ”Masterverse” toy line.
https://foreternia.com/2022/02/matte...verse-toy-line

Originally Posted by Voodoo Magic

...Some 200X fans (not all) seemingly feel almost threatened by Revelation. There is a strange us versus them component that doesn't need to be there. Rooting for Revelation to fail, laughing because they think it did, when I personally felt bad for 200X fans (while not being one) when that show didn't perform well and was axed prematurely.

Not that any of them would admit it, but I think there's an element of loss. Most of us love the 80's show, (otherwise why would we be here?) but along with the 200X Thundercats reboot there's this collective exasperation with just how GOOD MYP He-Man was, and yet it wasn't "good enough" to continue and flourish. I remember thinking, "What is wrong with kids these days!?" when I found out that apparently the toys didn't sell enough to justify the show.

So when a new, different version comes along, and apparently it's not dependent on toy sales to continue, but rather Netflix eyeball numbers, it's like, "Why can't I have my thing back, and they're dumping it for something different now?!"

I'd be all in for a 200X continuation, just like I'm all in for Revelations continuation. More of everything please!

Originally Posted by Ornclown

Revelation is a product of its time too... and that time happens to be now. Some people just can't handle the direction that the franchise is moving... but, just like all the prior MOTU efforts, those people will lose interest in hating on it and move on.

People will lose interest in MOTU in general except for you lot and move on.

When your best defence for this show these days is 'it's of it's time', essentially admitting that it'll easily date, then yeah, you're in more trouble than you think with this.

Shouldn't you want at least a take on MOTU to be timeless? That ages like a fine wine?

Originally Posted by Cameron Samurai

When your best defence for this show these days is 'it's of it's time', essentially admitting that it'll easily date, then yeah, you're in more trouble than you think with this.

Shouldn't you want at least a take on MOTU to be timeless? That ages like a fine wine?

Like Filmation & 200x?

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Originally Posted by Voodoo Magic

Plus we're being told Revelation was a "flop" and a "turd" too, while the President of Mattel said..... ****gasp*** ...Revelation ranked as the #1 kids series on its opening weekend, ranked as an overall top-5 series in 20 countries, and ranked top-10 series in 55 countries.

(Yep! I went looking for proof)

Mattel was very happy with the launch of ”Masters of the Universe: Revelation” and the ”Masterverse” toy line.
https://foreternia.com/2022/02/matte...verse-toy-line

So thanks to Richard Dickson, we know “Masters of the Universe: Revelation” ranked as the #1 kids series on its opening weekend, ranked as an overall top-5 series in 20 countries, and ranked top-10 series in 55 countries. Now we don’t know how Part Two performed yet, but Part One’s opening looks like it was a resounding success!

But how long did it last? And what about Part 2?

I wonder how toy sales went well after Part 1, because Masterverse is doing a whole lot of peg warming around here while Origins seems to not hang around too long, aside from He-Man and Skeletor.

Originally Posted by UsernameMDM

Like Filmation & 200x?

Quite right. Both those shows are still regarded as the cornerstones of this franchise, and in how to do it 'right'. Revelation didn't do it right, and now the defence is that it's 'of it's time and reflects what the world is now'

The world right now is a dumpster fire. Is this what you want MOTU representing?

Originally Posted by UsernameMDM

Maybe, maybe not, but if you used reading comprehension, I added a key word in there that may or may not help with your hurt feelings (which is something else associated with Millennials).

Are the emojis meant to cover up the sounds of goalposts getting moved? In the span of a few days, you insisted "people have posted metrics in this thread that prove that Revelation was a turd" and then the metrics were...the show wasn't in a top 10. And when people gently pointed out to you that something being outside of the top 10 doesn't make it a "flop" (your phrasing again), you shifted to "So we agree it wasn't a raging success?."

So, the show goes from being a "turd" and a "flop" to "haha, it wasn't a raging success!"

You seem very triggered by people calling these criticisms toxic, but you're literally in here arguing in bad faith.


Edited to add: while I was writing this, you were presented with metrics about the show's success and countered with...your hurt feelings and guesses that they weren't in these top rankings that long? When your previous contention was that being in a "Top X" list at all would make something successful or a "flop?"

Originally Posted by PocketEpiphany

Are the emojis meant to cover up the sounds of goalposts getting moved?

Not at all, they're just so fun.

Originally Posted by PocketEpiphany

In the span of a few days, you insisted "people have posted metrics in this thread that prove that Revelation was a turd" and then the metrics were...the show wasn't in a top 10. And when people gently pointed out to you that something being outside of the top 10 doesn't make it a "flop" (your phrasing again), you shifted to "So we agree it wasn't a raging success?."

So, the show goes from being a "turd" and a "flop" to "haha, it wasn't a raging success!"

Sometimes it's good to find middle ground.

Originally Posted by PocketEpiphany

You seem very triggered by people calling these criticisms toxic, but you're literally in here arguing in bad faith.

It's not in Netflix's Top 10 per Netflix. I provided a link to the first week of each part.

It could have debuted in the top 10 for Netflix's kid section, but how long did it last? How many recent successful Netflix shows didn't have a "next season coming soon" after the final episode? Look at the user reviews on Rotten Tomatoes, IMDB (it's the top 1200 at least ).

Originally Posted by PocketEpiphany

Edited to add: while I was writing this, you were presented with metrics about the show's success and countered with...your hurt feelings and guesses that they weren't in these top rankings that long? When your previous contention was that being in a "Top X" list at all would make something successful or a "flop?"

Like I said before, reading comprehension goes a long way. So does critical thinking. I guess that's too much to ask for some folks.

Originally Posted by PocketEpiphany

Are the emojis meant to cover up the sounds of goalposts getting moved? In the span of a few days, you insisted "people have posted metrics in this thread that prove that Revelation was a turd" and then the metrics were...the show wasn't in a top 10. And when people gently pointed out to you that something being outside of the top 10 doesn't make it a "flop" (your phrasing again), you shifted to "So we agree it wasn't a raging success?."

So, the show goes from being a "turd" and a "flop" to "haha, it wasn't a raging success!"

You seem very triggered by people calling these criticisms toxic, but you're literally in here arguing in bad faith.


Edited to add: while I was writing this, you were presented with metrics about the show's success and countered with...your hurt feelings and guesses that they weren't in these top rankings that long? When your previous contention was that being in a "Top X" list at all would make something successful or a "flop?"

This is a terrific summation. And instead of an admission of error, using introspection to recognize a false assumption based on wanting something to be true versus knowing something to be true, we get more shifting. It's the child with the cookie crumbs on its face forever insisting no cookie was eaten, even though every one of us can see the crumbs.

"wHy Do ThEy SaY i Am ToXiC?!?!" he says, all while randomly insulting people and contradicting himself. Glad he's here to lecture others about hurt feelings!

Originally Posted by benvoliothefirst

Not that any of them would admit it, but I think there's an element of loss. Most of us love the 80's show, (otherwise why would we be here?) but along with the 200X Thundercats reboot there's this collective exasperation with just how GOOD MYP He-Man was, and yet it wasn't "good enough" to continue and flourish. I remember thinking, "What is wrong with kids these days!?" when I found out that apparently the toys didn't sell enough to justify the show.

So when a new, different version comes along, and apparently it's not dependent on toy sales to continue, but rather Netflix eyeball numbers, it's like, "Why can't I have my thing back, and they're dumping it for something different now?!"

I'd be all in for a 200X continuation, just like I'm all in for Revelations continuation. More of everything please!

Interesting perspective! I must counter though that it wasn't just disappointing toy sales, but ratings as well. It had great ratings when it 200X first debuted, but it was hemorrhaging viewers as episodes went on. This is not to discount the love some people here have for the series. I love Revelation, and Part Two may turn out to have followed a similar path.

Is this guy confused or does he know something we don't?

https://www.engadget.com/netflix-mas...163305792.html

"This isn't a surprising move when MOTU has been lucrative for Netflix. Its She-Ra reboot had five seasons, and Kevin Smith's Masters of the Universe: Revelation is starting its second season in March. There's also a child-oriented CG animated series, He-Man and the Masters of the Universe. Between this and other '80s flashbacks, Netflix appears to know what nostalgia makes its audience tick."


I'm hoping he's not confusing the CGI show with Revelation....

Originally Posted by Voodoo Magic

This is a terrific summation. And instead of an admission of error, using introspection to recognize a false assumption based on wanting something to be true versus knowing something to be true, we get more shifting. It's the child with the cookie crumbs on its face forever insisting no cookie was eaten, even though every one of us can see the crumbs.

Originally Posted by PocketEpiphany

"wHy Do ThEy SaY i Am ToXiC?!?!" he says, all while randomly insulting people and contradicting himself. Glad he's here to lecture others about hurt feelings!

You guys crack me up. I hope y'all get a good hug in afterwards.



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Originally Posted by Dice

Is this guy confused or does he know something we don't?

https://www.engadget.com/netflix-mas...163305792.html

"This isn't a surprising move when MOTU has been lucrative for Netflix. Its She-Ra reboot had five seasons, and Kevin Smith's Masters of the Universe: Revelation is starting its second season in March. There's also a child-oriented CG animated series, He-Man and the Masters of the Universe. Between this and other '80s flashbacks, Netflix appears to know what nostalgia makes its audience tick."


I'm hoping he's not confusing the CGI show with Revelation....

Trust me, we would know if there was another season of MOTUR on the way.

Originally Posted by RiverToad

I don't know why people keep bringing up 200X as some sort of "gotcha" as a show that's supposedly so much better than Revelation.

It is the same reason they point to the Netflix He-Man and the Masters of the Universe series as well: to change the argument from one they cannot win to one that you cannot win.

So instead of them defending their meritless criticisms of Revelation, you are now defending why Revelation is better than Mike Young Productions Masters of the Universe, even though you never made that argument.

It is to take the pressure off them, and get you playing defense. It is desperate, transparent, and sad.

Originally Posted by UsernameMDM

You guys crack me up. I hope y'all get a good hug in afterwards.



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If you had gotten more hugs growing up, I daresay you wouldn't be flexing on a messageboard for a child's cartoon. Or screaming about how Millennials are the root of all your problems. Or hoping that screeching "rEaDiNg CoMpReHeNsIoN" is a good defense to people pointing out the hypocrisy of your own words.

Originally Posted by Voodoo Magic

Plus we're being told Revelation was a "flop" and a "turd" too, while the President of Mattel said..... ****gasp*** ...Revelation ranked as the #1 kids series on its opening weekend, ranked as an overall top-5 series in 20 countries, and ranked top-10 series in 55 countries.

(Yep! I went looking for proof)

Mattel was very happy with the launch of ”Masters of the Universe: Revelation” and the ”Masterverse” toy line.
https://foreternia.com/2022/02/matte...verse-toy-line

Not to mention the two dedicated threads tracking its chart performance:

• Masters of the Universe: Revelation enters the Netflix Top 10! | Chart Run Thread
  
• Masters of the Universe: Revelation Part 2 enters Top 10 in Kids (US) | Chart Run

Yet people somehow ignore all of this information every time it is posted, and persist with their existing narratives.

Originally Posted by PocketEpiphany

If you had gotten more hugs growing up, I daresay you wouldn't be flexing on a messageboard for a child's cartoon. Or screaming about how Millennials are the root of all your problems. Or hoping that screeching "rEaDiNg CoMpReHeNsIoN" is a good defense to people pointing out the hypocrisy of your own words.

You really don't get it?

BTW - I am a Millennial! Go read what I actually wrote (twice now).

Let me help you: the key word is "associated".

And I really think you need to look up what hypocrisy means.

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Originally Posted by Voodoo Magic

Neither did the Cartoon Network & Mattel with the 200X series, but as a motu fan, I don't think that's hilarious. But you do you.

Originally Posted by RiverToad

I don't know why people keep bringing up 200X as some sort of "gotcha" as a show that's supposedly so much better than Revelation.

Originally Posted by Adam_Prince of Eternia

It is the same reason they point to the Netflix He-Man and the Masters of the Universe series as well: to change the argument from one they cannot win to one that you cannot win.

So instead of them defending their meritless criticisms of Revelation, you are now defending why Revelation is better than Mike Young Productions Masters of the Universe, even though you never made that argument.

It is to take the pressure off them, and get you playing defense. It is desperate, transparent, and sad.