Masters of the Universe Revelation Netflix Series

Originally Posted by Dice

I think fans (like myself) enjoyed 200X more because it highlighted almost all the characters to some degree. It also made each of them look like capable "warriors", both good and bad. Skeletor with his magic was shown to be really powerful and a capable warrior along with Evil-lyn. Overall it just gave us a more adult action MOTU.

Revelation could have easily had all the things that we liked about 200X plus more. But that's not the direction they went.

True, but keep in mind 200X also had 39 episodes. Revelation only had 10.


I think it's less that Revelation was bad, and more the overall general issue that shows are getting criminally cut down in episode count for years now. First it was 52, then 26, then 13, and now shows are being expected to cover vast amounts of content in so little time. This is clear in Revelation, as there are so many story beats that are outright missed because they just didn't have the time. They probably would have done just fine had the show been 26 episodes and they had the chance to actually lead the audience through it's narrative instead of forcefully dragging them around without a chance to stop and take it in.

If anything, we should be blaming Netflix for this since they were likely the ones to mandate so few episodes in the first place.

Originally Posted by RiverToad

I think it's less that Revelation was bad, and more the overall general issue that shows are getting criminally cut down in episode count for years now. First it was 52, then 26, then 13, and now shows are being expected to cover vast amounts of content in so little time. This is clear in Revelation, as there are so many story beats that are outright missed because they just didn't have the time. They probably would have done just fine had the show been 26 episodes and they had the chance to actually lead the audience through it's narrative instead of forcefully dragging them around without a chance to stop and take it in.

If anything, we should be blaming Netflix for this since they were likely the ones to mandate so few episodes in the first place.

Oh I absolutely agree. I've said many times I think it suffered from trying to put too much story and emotion into a very small amount of time.

I also believe that a second season of Revelation would make people appreciate season one more.

Originally Posted by Adam_Prince of Eternia

Not to mention the two dedicated threads tracking its chart performance:

Masters of the Universe: Revelation enters the Netflix Top 10! | Chart Run Thread

Week 8-1 - #7 https://flixpatrol.com/popular/tv-sh...db/2021-08-01/
Week 8-8 - #11 (out of Top 10) https://flixpatrol.com/popular/tv-sh...db/2021-08-08/
Week 8-15 - #20 https://flixpatrol.com/popular/tv-sh...db/2021-08-15/
Week 8-22 - #53 https://flixpatrol.com/popular/tv-sh...db/2021-08-22/
Week 8-29 - Not even in the top 100 https://flixpatrol.com/popular/tv-sh...db/2021-08-29/

And the link you provided for Part 2 is even worse.



Come on guys! DO BETTER!



And just for a reminder, here is what Netflix themselves reported:

Originally Posted by UsernameMDM

I'm assuming Netflix's Top 10 has something to do with that. How long did Revelation last in the Top 10? Did Part 2 even make it? According to Netflix, neither Part 1 or Part 2 made it in the Top 10.

https://top10.netflix.com/tv/2021-07-25

https://top10.netflix.com/tv/2021-11-28

Originally Posted by UsernameMDM

You really don't get it?

BTW - I am a Millennial! Go read what I actually wrote (twice now).

Let me help you: the key word is "associated".

And I really think you need to look up what hypocrisy means.

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Oh, honey. Just...no. When confronted with the fact that you flip-flopped between saying the show was a "flop" to "not a raging success," you claimed you had "found a middle ground." Another way of saying you had to give up the "flop" argument after someone pointed out that something can be successful without being in the Top 10. It could be in 11th place, but we don't know.

Then, when confronted with actual metrics about the show's success, you pivoted to saying this didn't matter because we don't know how long it was in these other top charts. Somehow, though, that was not in your previous qualification for successful show (to be in a top list). Oh, and you think Kevin Smith is a pedo because you saw a sexual situation involving two adult characters...?

So, before you can move the goalposts again, please explain why you are not being a hypocrite about how you are defining success. Being in one Top 10 list meant success, but being in 55 other top 10 lists meant failure. What gives?

Originally Posted by Adam_Prince of Eternia

Not to mention the two dedicated threads tracking its chart performance:

• Masters of the Universe: Revelation enters the Netflix Top 10! | Chart Run Thread
  
• Masters of the Universe: Revelation Part 2 enters Top 10 in Kids (US) | Chart Run

Yet people somehow ignore all of this information every time it is posted, and persist with their existing narratives.

Yeah, it's amazing really. I'm glad we have the President of Mattel confirming it was #6 on Netflix and #1 Netflix kids, because some were questioning the validity of Flixpatrol, and I wasn't certain how to process it after that.

Originally Posted by PocketEpiphany

Oh, honey. Just...no. When confronted with the fact that you flip-flopped between saying the show was a "flop" to "not a raging success," you claimed you had "found a middle ground." Another way of saying you had to give up the "flop" argument after someone pointed out that something can be successful without being in the Top 10. It could be in 11th place, but we don't know.

No, I contend the show is still a turd of a flop. I guess you missed the wink emote after the "raging success" comment which is funny because you noticed all the other emotes.

Check out my reply to Adam for the scorecard he tried to use and then Netflix's own reported numbers. Seems pretty solid to me.

Originally Posted by PocketEpiphany

Then, when confronted with actual metrics about the show's success, you pivoted to saying this didn't matter because we don't know how long it was in these other top charts. Somehow, though, that was not in your previous qualification for successful show (to be in a top list). Oh, and you think Kevin Smith is a pedo because you saw a sexual situation involving two adult characters...?

Man, you really do need to learn how to read. I didn't mention Kevin Smith's name and pedo. Here, let me quote it for you:

Originally Posted by UsernameMDM

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"So thanks to Richard Dickson, we know “Masters of the Universe: Revelation” ranked as the #1 kids series on its opening weekend, ranked as an overall top-5 series in 20 countries, and ranked top-10 series in 55 countries. Now we don’t know how Part Two performed yet, but Part One’s opening looks like it was a resounding success!"

But how long did it last? And what about Part 2? I wonder how proud he is for making that statement with Part 2's "Hey Skeletor, power down so you can get hawt sex" scene? Way to sell some toys pedo!

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Originally Posted by PocketEpiphany

So, before you can move the goalposts again, please explain why you are not being a hypocrite about how you are defining success. Being in one Top 10 list meant success, but being in 55 other top 10 lists meant failure. What gives?

Now I think you need to look up the phrase "move the goalposts".

Originally Posted by UsernameMDM

No, I contend the show is still a turd of a flop.

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Now I think you need to look up the phrase "move the goalposts".

So to recap: it's "a turd of a flop" because you didn't like it. It means nothing that it was on all of these other successful lists because it wasn't on the one list that you use to determine a "flop." AND your definition of "flop" is that it may have been really successful compared to many other things (#6 on Netflix according to Mattel pres, #1 for kids), but you didn't like it?

Is this really all you've got, man?

Originally Posted by PocketEpiphany

So to recap: it's "a turd of a flop" because you didn't like it. It means nothing that it was on all of these other successful lists because it wasn't on the one list that you use to determine a "flop." AND your definition of "flop" is that it may have been really successful compared to many other things (#6 on Netflix according to Mattel pres, #1 for kids), but you didn't like it?

Is this really all you've got, man?

To re-recap:

#1 - I'm not the only one that thinks it's a turd of a flop, but it's ok if you or anyone else likes it. Some people don't like Filmation/NA/200x/MOTUR/CGI.
#2 - If you follow the links I posted for Netflix, Netflix did not report MOTUR in their Top 10 at any point.
#2a - MOTRU may have been in the Top 10 at some point (a day or so? maybe a few?), but not long enough for Netflix to report it as such.
#2b - The Mattel sales call was July 27, 2021, 4 DAYS after MOTUR came out.
#3 - If you follow the links I posted for FlixPatrol, you can see the rapid decline of Part 1.
#4 - If you look up the debut week of Part 2 on Flixpatrol, you will see it's not even in the Top 100. It was #66 the following week and disappeared the next week.

Originally Posted by UsernameMDM

To re-recap:

#1 - I'm not the only one that thinks it's a turd of a flop, but it's ok if you or anyone else likes it. Some people don't like Filmation/NA/200x/MOTUR/CGI.
#2 - If you follow the links I posted for Netflix, Netflix did not report MOTUR in their Top 10 at any point.
#2a - MOTRU may have been in the Top 10 at some point (a day or so? maybe a few?), but not long enough for Netflix to report it as such.
#2b - The Mattel sales call was July 27, 2021, 4 DAYS after MOTUR came out.
#3 - If you follow the links I posted for FlixPatrol, you can see the rapid decline of Part 1.
#4 - If you look up the debut week of Part 2 on Flixpatrol, you will see it's not even in the Top 100.

I didn't think I'd have to explain it to you like this, but here it goes:

According to CordCutting.com, there are currently 13,612 unique titles on Netflix. The "Top 10" for Netflix would comprise only 0.0007% of the available titles. So your argument hinges on the idea that Revelation is a flop alongside....99.9993% of everything else on Netflix.

Since you need this explained to you as well: we call it "moving goalposts" because you have been steadily trying to move from "it's a flop because it wasn't in this one top 10 list" to "I didn't like it and it the numbers that contradicted my original claims aren't as high as they could be, SO THERE"

This is bush league, dude.

Originally Posted by PocketEpiphany

I didn't think I'd have to explain it to you like this, but here it goes:

According to CordCutting.com, there are currently 13,612 unique titles on Netflix. The "Top 10" for Netflix would comprise only 0.0007% of the available titles. So your argument hinges on the idea that Revelation is a flop alongside....99.9993% of everything else on Netflix.

Yeah, there is a lot of garbage on Netflix.

If it was a success commercially, it would have been hovering around for awhile. Both Netflix and Flixpatrol said it didn't.

Originally Posted by PocketEpiphany

Since you need this explained to you as well: we call it "moving goalposts" because you have been steadily trying to move from "it's a flop because it wasn't in this one top 10 list" to "I didn't like it and it the numbers that contradicted my original claims aren't as high as they could be, SO THERE"

This is bush league, dude.

I literally just presented evidence to the contrary, both for Netflix and Flixpatrol. At most, and being generous here, it was a blip and had no staying power what-so-ever. If you're clinging to Flixpatrol's #7 pop and ignoring following nosedive and Netflix's reporting, I don't know what to tell you.

It's really not that hard to understand if you look at the numbers.

Originally Posted by UsernameMDM

I literally just presented evidence to the contrary, both for Netflix and Flixpatrol. At most, and being generous here, it was a blip and had no staying power what-so-ever.

It's really not that hard to understand if you look at the numbers.

What if...and stay with me here...it was possible for a title to be somewhere BETWEEN the bottom of the ratings (a "flop") and the absolute top of the ratings (a "raging success"). If I were to call such an in between title a "flop," it would not be correct, would it? And if I proved it was a "flop" by trying to prove it wasn't a "raging success," then my equation might be missing something...right?

Originally Posted by PocketEpiphany

What if...and stay with me here...it was possible for a title to be somewhere BETWEEN the bottom of the ratings (a "flop") and the absolute top of the ratings (a "raging success"). If I were to call such an in between title a "flop," it would not be correct, would it? And if I proved it was a "flop" by trying to prove it wasn't a "raging success," then my equation might be missing something...right?

What if...and stay with me here...a show's Part 2 doesn't even register AT ALL it's opening week, and people want to call it a success? Not necessarily "raging", but a success nonetheless.

Now, I will admit turd and flop are totally subjective estimates.

(just in case you didn't see it, but your reading comprehension has improved, I put a wink emote after the previous sentence)



(that's a grin)

Originally Posted by UsernameMDM

(just in case you didn't see it, but your reading comprehension has improved, I put a wink emote after the previous sentence)



(that's a grin)

You know, comments about others' comprehension might go over better if we weren't having to teach you remedial math.

As I said, your definition of "success" for Revelation is one that 99.9993% of titles on Netflix don't meet. And it requires you to believe that anything not in the 0.0007% on Netflix is a terrible flop.

Arguments about declining viewers or how long stuff stays on X top 10 list (by the way, I'm guessing you didn't notice how quickly things fell off your top 10 link from week to week before you argued that how long something was in a top ranking matters) are different from arguments about the show being a complete flop. If you have been laboring under the idea that we haven't noticed you trying to change your original argument without admitting you were wrong, well...your understanding of rhetoric is up there with your understanding of math.


(That's a laugh emoji. I would say it's in my top 10% of favorite emojis. But not my 0.0007% percent, so this emoji is an utter flop!)

Apparently Revelations did incredibly well and Mattel are very happy.

https://foreternia.com/2022/02/matte...h5eaG0b59Sxnio

"So thanks to Richard Dickson, we know “Masters of the Universe: Revelation” ranked as the #1 kids series on its opening weekend, ranked as an overall top-5 series in 20 countries, and ranked top-10 series in 55 countries. Now we don’t know how Part Two performed yet, but Part One’s opening looks like it was a resounding success!"

Originally Posted by crimhead

Apparently Revelations did incredibly well and Mattel are very happy.

https://foreternia.com/2022/02/matte...h5eaG0b59Sxnio

Well, this information isn't new. If you see the dates, the interviews to Mattel are from July 27, 2021.

In itself, I'm not surprised a lot of people see the First Part of Revelation. After all, the marketing was pretty good.


PS: The writer of the article is called Voodo Magic. Is he/she the user with the same name in this forum?

Originally Posted by Konja9

PS: The writer of the article is called Voodo Magic. Is he/she the user with the same name in this forum?

Yes. Voodoo has the link to their site in their signature. It's a MOTU Revelation fan site.

Originally Posted by crimhead

Apparently Revelations did incredibly well and Mattel are very happy.

https://foreternia.com/2022/02/matte...h5eaG0b59Sxnio

Originally Posted by Konja9

Well, this information isn't new. If you see the dates, the interviews to Mattel are from July 27, 2021.

In itself, I'm not surprised a lot of people see the First Part of Revelation. After all, the marketing was pretty good.

Yep. Check the timeline I posted above. Mattel meeting was 4 days after the show dropped, before it really dropped

Originally Posted by Konja9

PS: The writer of the article is called Voodo Magic. Is he/she the user with the same name in this forum?

Originally Posted by Dice

Yes. Voodoo has the link to their site in their signature. It's a MOTU Revelation fan site.

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Originally Posted by PocketEpiphany

You know, comments about others' comprehension might go over better if we weren't having to teach you remedial math.

As I said, your definition of "success" for Revelation is one that 99.9993% of titles on Netflix don't meet. And it requires you to believe that anything not in the 0.0007% on Netflix is a terrible flop.

Arguments about declining viewers or how long stuff stays on X top 10 list (by the way, I'm guessing you didn't notice how quickly things fell off your top 10 link from week to week before you argued that how long something was in a top ranking matters) are different from arguments about the show being a complete flop. If you have been laboring under the idea that we haven't noticed you trying to change your original argument without admitting you were wrong, well...your understanding of rhetoric is up there with your understanding of math.

Because other things are garbage doesn't make other garbage not garbage.

Originally Posted by PocketEpiphany

(That's a laugh emoji. I would say it's in my top 10% of favorite emojis. But not my 0.0007% percent, so this emoji is an utter flop!)

It's def in my Top 10!

Originally Posted by Konja9

Well, this information isn't new. If you see the dates, the interviews to Mattel are from July 27, 2021.

In itself, I'm not surprised a lot of people see the First Part of Revelation. After all, the marketing was pretty good.

PS: The writer of the article is called Voodo Magic. Is he/she the user with the same name in this forum?

Yep, I'm here. And yes, in anticipation of the Mattel's 2021 fiscal year earnings report due out soon, I figured it would be good idea to record for posterity sake what the President of Mattel said when Part One launched, so we can compare and contrast with Part Two.

Also, it would help clear a lot of misinformation / confusing information fans, non-fans, pundits and websites had access to about how well it initially performed versus the solid trustworthy ratings data the President of Mattel has received from Netflix after its launch and shared with their shareholders.

Originally Posted by UsernameMDM

Because other things are garbage doesn't make other garbage not garbage.

And you've devised a personal rating system where 13,602 of the 13,612 titles on Netflix are garbage. Hopefully, it's obvious why we can't really trust your judgment about what is or is not a "flop." I've got things to do if you want to get the last word in...I'll come by later to admire your latest attempt to convince us that facts do, in fact, care about your feelings!

Originally Posted by PocketEpiphany

And you've devised a personal rating system where 13,602 of the 13,612 titles on Netflix are garbage. Hopefully, it's obvious why we can't really trust your judgment about what is or is not a "flop." I've got things to do if you want to get the last word in...I'll come by later to admire your latest attempt to convince us that facts do, in fact, care about your feelings!

#1 in Kids programming, Top 5 in 20 countries, and Top 10 in 55 more—total flop.

I can't see an adult behaving this way, so I'm gathering perhaps he's just very young, and I won't personally pay him no mind anymore.

Originally Posted by Voodoo Magic

I can't see an adult behaving this way, so I'm gathering perhaps he's just very young, and I won't personally pay him no mind anymore.

Nah. Adults can be quite petty and inmature too.

It's pretty common that adults behave that way in fandoms. They behave that way when they really dislike something. That said, they could also behave that way when they want to defend something.

Originally Posted by RiverToad

True, but keep in mind 200X also had 39 episodes.

A random thought that popped into mind when I read this part was "and a lot of them were filler". Don't get me wrong, I love me some MYP MOTU... but watching that series as a whole, there's a lot of episodes that I would have jettisoned.
One of the many things I loved about Revelation was it's "condensed into one nice little package" (well, two packages I guess?) method of telling a Masters story. I guess nowadays it's quality over quantity for me. I definitely want more Revelations style stories at some point, but I don't know that I need the old-school number of episodes per season style of cartoons anymore. Which is something I never thought I'd say.

Originally Posted by Cameron Samurai

People will lose interest in MOTU in general except for you lot and move on.

You mean MOTU fans?

Originally Posted by Cameron Samurai

When your best defence for this show these days is 'it's of it's time', essentially admitting that it'll easily date, then yeah, you're in more trouble than you think with this.

I personally don't think Revelation needs defending. It is a critically acclaimed animated series based on a very prolific 80's property.

And, when I say a product of its time, I'm referring to the writers allowing for a more diverse cast and traditionally-considered side characters to shine along side He-Man and Skeletor. To show what the consequences of character actions and reactions can be, and to subvert long-time fan expectations.

Originally Posted by Cameron Samurai

Shouldn't you want at least a take on MOTU to be timeless? That ages like a fine wine?

We love these long-running franchises because each iteration is a time-capsule of when it was produced. See: Godzilla, Batman or TMNT for just a few examples...

Indeed, MOTU is timeless BECAUSE it continues to be a product of its time.

Originally Posted by UsernameMDM

Yep. Check the timeline I posted above. Mattel meeting was 4 days after the show dropped, before it really dropped





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Because other things are garbage doesn't make other garbage not garbage.

It's def in my Top 10!

None of what you post does contribute anything productive or new to this thread, or even provide meaningful discussion.

It’s just about “owning” the fans who do like this “turd” and “garbage”. It’s nothing else.
(Oh, and praising 200X, some kids show from 20 years ago.)

Who benefits from your posts? Who gets *anything* meaningful out of them?
I get that you are having fun getting fans riled up.

But I think it’s good now, we get it, nobody has any doubts about your opinion.
Give it a rest. Chill out with some nice Filmation stuff snd pay attention to the morals, for once.