Masters of the Universe Revelation Netflix Series

Originally Posted by UsernameMDM

It's a reply from a FB group. Not exactly private.

What Facebook group? Have a link? It looked like Instagram messaging to me.

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Originally Posted by UsernameMDM

It's a reply from a FB group. Not exactly private. Don't like Ted's own words?

I entered "king grayskull another blonde white man" and it was the second hit:

https://omnigeekempire.com/2021/07/0...sily-rejected/

Ah, very cool. Thanks for clarifying. No I'm fine with Ted's words. Just not fine with the sharing of private conversations (which this isn't). I've seen that happen before. I'm glad this isn't that!

Originally Posted by Voodoo Magic

What Facebook group? Have a link? It looked like Instagram messaging to me.

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Shadow weaver's realm and it says "private group".

You need to be accepted to read the comments so it's not a public group.
It was a screenshot made by a servant of Clownfish TV and sent to them , then a few channels from the fandom menace used it too
Unethical

Originally Posted by Voodoo Magic

What Facebook group? Have a link? It looked like Instagram messaging to me.

It is actually from a Private Group on Facebook, not an Open Group to the public. Regardless, the full context of the comment is about giving King Grayskull a unique appearance, so he is not just He-Man with a cape. And since they were committed to giving him a distinct appearance, they thought it might be an opportunity to introduce some ethnic diversity to the Champions of Eternia, so all of them throughout time are not blond-haired, blue-eyed white men. There is nothing controversial about that unless you are a racist.

People who have been around longer than five minutes will remember that members of the Ku Klux Klan and Stormfront used to hold He-Man as a White Nationalist superhero. And not so long ago, an attendee of a Masters of the Universe convention had to be removed for shouting, "White Power." So if you are the executive producer of a Masters of the Universe animated series, then you have to consider the implication of making all of the Champions of Eternia throughout time blond-haired, blue-eyed white men. Hence, why they had lots of thoughtful conversations about how to represent King Grayskull.

Because the media does not exist in a vacuum, but in a cultural context. And it is a privileged perspective to see an endless succession of blond-haired, blue-eyed white men as entirely apolitical—as if it is netural, the default—and the inclusion of a single black man as a political statement.

Originally Posted by heavy-eternium

Shadow weaver's realm and it says "private group".

You need to be accepted to read the comments so it's not a public group.
It was a screenshot made by a servant of Clownfish TV and sent to them , then a few channels from the fandom menace used it too
Unethical

While not as bad as sharing private messaging, indeed, agreed, that is still not public, nor ethical. *sigh* Thanks.

Although I constantly saw them scroll in my recommendation feed, I've manged to stay away and avoid watching most of Clownfish and the like this past year. I think I remember catching one video about a Queerty Revelation article and I just didn't like what I was hearing. And it felt (to me) like hating for the sake of hating.

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Originally Posted by Adam_Prince of Eternia

It is actually from a Private Group on Facebook, not an Open Group to the public. Regardless, the full context of the comment is about giving King Grayskull a unique appearance, so he is not just He-Man with a cape. And since they were committed to giving him a distinct appearance, they thought it might be an opportunity to introduce some ethnic diversity to the Champions of Eternia, so all of them throughout time are not blond-haired, blue-eyed white men. There is nothing controversial about that unless you are a racist.

People who have been around longer than five minutes will remember that members of the Ku Klux Klan and Stormfront used to hold He-Man as a White Nationalist superhero. And not so long ago, an attendee of a Masters of the Universe convention had to be removed for shouting, "White Power." So if you are the executive producer of a Masters of the Universe animated series, then you have to consider the implication of making all of the Champions of Eternia throughout time blond-haired, blue-eyed white men. Hence, why they had lots of thoughtful conversations about how to represent King Grayskull.

Because the media does not exist in a vacuum, but in a cultural context. And it is a privileged perspective to see an endless succession of blond-haired, blue-eyed white men as entirely apolitical—as if it is netural, the default—and the inclusion of a single black man as a political statement.

Thanks for the extra context. I can't believe that was said at a Power-Con or the like. You'd figure at the turn of the century we'd be done with that already. Guess that's sadly naive.

Originally Posted by Voodoo Magic

Ah, so up to 20% of Part Two, an episode worth, of Andra being He-Man was scrapped in a panic... a script was written, cast was brought in to re-record, new animatics, new models approved, new animation, score re-worked, new sound effects recorded, edited, between Part One and Part Two not based on any facts, but because this is a narrative you want to believe.

Yes, it is so obviously apparent that Andra was being set up as the next Man-At-Arms from the very beginning.

Teela bonds with a character who reminds her of her father.

Andra is tech-savvy and pragmatic.

Andra is paired with Roboto (Duncan's creation) and uses her skills to integrate Roboto's tech into her own.

Andra is responsible for solving the Power Sword dilemma by turning the tower into a forge, i.e. a literal Man-At-Arms line of thinking.

She is a parallel to MYP's Dekker (also a Man-At-Arms.)

Andra puts herself at risk to defend the King.

Anyone who thinks that this was somehow scripted at the eleventh hour needs to rewatch the series... all of the signs are there.

Originally Posted by Voodoo Magic

Thanks for the extra context. I can't believe that was said at a Power-Con or the like. You'd figure at the turn of the century we'd be done with that already. Guess that's sadly naive.

This is the same type of closed-minded attitude that has people thinking that Andra was just a checkbox. Sad and frightening at the same time.

I am so glad that the internet (and social media platforms that tell people what to think) did not exist when Harley Quinn was introduced in Batman the Animated Series... how many would have said that she "serves absolutely no purpose" and she's
"just checking the diversity box," "Any other established Batman character could have been used"?

How many great Harley stories would we have missed out on because the "fans" know better than the creators?

Originally Posted by Ornclown

This is the same type of closed-minded attitude that has people thinking that Andra was just a checkbox. Sad and frightening at the same time.

I at least like hearing that Andra (the character and her path) was always a part of the story in their mind and not just an add-on for the sake of.

Clears up any doubt that she wasn't just a "checkbox".

Originally Posted by Dice

I at least like hearing that Andra (the character and her path) was always a part of the story in their mind and not just an add-on for the sake of.

Clears up any doubt that she wasn't just a "checkbox".

I don't really want to wade into the muck of discussion about Revelation. I just don't have the energy. I do think the bad outweighed the good, but specifically concerning Andra, I actually kind of liked her. In fact, I found her more likeable than Teela, and that was a problem for me (among many).

Originally Posted by Wakko

I don't really want to wade into the muck of discussion about Revelation. I just don't have the energy. I do think the bad outweighed the good, but specifically concerning Andra, I actually kind of liked her. In fact, I found her more likeable than Teela, and that was a problem for me (among many).

I understand. For me, it was just the not expecting Andra. I'm all hyped to see other classic favorite characters and would have never thought a brand new character would have been introduced that would become as important to the story. Personal taste aside, it wasn't a bad thing, it was just the direction the writers wanted to go. Knowing that settles any ill feelings I might have had before.

Originally Posted by Adam_Prince of Eternia

It is actually from a Private Group on Facebook, not an Open Group to the public. Regardless, the full context of the comment is about giving King Grayskull a unique appearance, so he is not just He-Man with a cape. And since they were committed to giving him a distinct appearance, they thought it might be an opportunity to introduce some ethnic diversity to the Champions of Eternia, so all of them throughout time are not blond-haired, blue-eyed white men. There is nothing controversial about that unless you are a racist.

People who have been around longer than five minutes will remember that members of the Ku Klux Klan and Stormfront used to hold He-Man as a White Nationalist superhero. And not so long ago, an attendee of a Masters of the Universe convention had to be removed for shouting, "White Power." So if you are the executive producer of a Masters of the Universe animated series, then you have to consider the implication of making all of the Champions of Eternia throughout time blond-haired, blue-eyed white men. Hence, why they had lots of thoughtful conversations about how to represent King Grayskull.

Because the media does not exist in a vacuum, but in a cultural context. And it is a privileged perspective to see an endless succession of blond-haired, blue-eyed white men as entirely apolitical—as if it is netural, the default—and the inclusion of a single black man as a political statement.

Ted Biaselli was responding to ME.

When news of Grayskull’s raceswap hit, I complained that they should make new diverse characters instead of changing up existing characters. I felt it was like giving a minority character someone else’s shirt instead of them having their own shirt. My statement made the media rounds as a black man who was “blacksplained” to, when I made a valid point. He-Man could have had a black ancestor. Just make someone new. I’m sure Mattel wouldn’t have a problem with a new character to sell. Andra was supposed to be a new character altogether, but they wanted to tie that character to nostalgia.

Crazy enough, for all that diversity talk that week, King Grayskull and Clamp Champ die. Hell, KG’s son in the Dark Horse tie-in comic dies too. I’m sure some POC kid would love to be cannon fodder for the bad guys.

Originally Posted by MegaGearMax

Ted Biaselli was responding to ME.

When news of Grayskull’s raceswap hit, I complained that they should make new diverse characters instead of changing up existing characters. I felt it was like giving a minority character someone else’s shirt instead of them having their own shirt. My statement made the media rounds as a black man who was “blacksplained” to, when I made a valid point. He-Man could have had a black ancestor. Just make someone new. I’m sure Mattel wouldn’t have a problem with a new character to sell. Andra was supposed to be a new character altogether, but they wanted to tie that character to nostalgia.

Crazy enough, for all that diversity talk that week, King Grayskull and Clamp Champ die. Hell, KG’s son in the Dark Horse tie-in comic dies too. I’m sure some POC kid would love to be cannon fodder for the bad guys.

I am in the group and read the exchange. He was asked for his reasoning, and he gave it. You were not condescended to because you did not agree with him.

Originally Posted by Adam_Prince of Eternia

I am in the group and read the exchange. He was asked for his reasoning, and he gave it. You were not condescended to because you did not agree with him.

Hahaha....irony!

He didn't say he was condescended to he just said the story made the rounds. Not that he had anything to do with it.

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Originally Posted by Dice

Hahaha....irony!

He didn't say he was condescended to he just said the story made the rounds. Not that he had anything to do with it.

I did not say he said he did. IrOnY!

Originally Posted by UsernameMDM

How to admit you and you're team aren't good writers and you're in it for the token points in 3, 2...

https://i.imgur.com/gFXvMaT.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/eozQMMf.jpg

Honestly, I do kinda agree with the point about King Grayskull looking like He-Man with longer hair and a cape making He-Man less visually unique. Especially when He-Man gets longer hair later on in the series. Like, Wun-Dar has unique armor and darker hair and He-Ro has his armor, so I think it works.

Originally Posted by MegaGearMax

Ted Biaselli was responding to ME.

When news of Grayskull’s raceswap hit, I complained that they should make new diverse characters instead of changing up existing characters. I felt it was like giving a minority character someone else’s shirt instead of them having their own shirt. My statement made the media rounds as a black man who was “blacksplained” to, when I made a valid point. He-Man could have had a black ancestor. Just make someone new. I’m sure Mattel wouldn’t have a problem with a new character to sell. Andra was supposed to be a new character altogether, but they wanted to tie that character to nostalgia.

Crazy enough, for all that diversity talk that week, King Grayskull and Clamp Champ die. Hell, KG’s son in the Dark Horse tie-in comic dies too. I’m sure some POC kid would love to be cannon fodder for the bad guys.

100%

They should have had Clamp Champ show up strong and not go out with less than 5 minutes of screen time. He was killed, turned into a demon, then his soul was destroyed. Come to think of it...nah, that's Tar Swamp stuff I guess.

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Originally Posted by BooperScoop

Honestly, I do kinda agree with the point about King Grayskull looking like He-Man with longer hair and a cape making He-Man less visually unique. Especially when He-Man gets longer hair later on in the series. Like, Wun-Dar has unique armor and darker hair and He-Ro has his armor, so I think it works.

Just someone minting a token, that's all. The point was King Grayskull to look like He-Man because they were related. MOTUR crapped on that idea too. Oh yeah, he was killed too...

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Originally Posted by Wakko

I don't really want to wade into the muck of discussion about Revelation. I just don't have the energy. I do think the bad outweighed the good, but specifically concerning Andra, I actually kind of liked her. In fact, I found her more likeable than Teela, and that was a problem for me (among many).

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Originally Posted by Ornclown

YI am so glad that the internet (and social media platforms that tell people what to think) did not exist when Harley Quinn was introduced in Batman the Animated Series... how many would have said that she "serves absolutely no purpose" and she's
"just checking the diversity box," "Any other established Batman character could have been used"?

The difference is that HQ was a well written complex character that added not only to the show, but also to the Joker, and could stand on her own story wise.

Andra was a token.

Originally Posted by BooperScoop

Honestly, I do kinda agree with the point about King Grayskull looking like He-Man with longer hair and a cape making He-Man less visually unique. Especially when He-Man gets longer hair later on in the series. Like, Wun-Dar has unique armor and darker hair and He-Ro has his armor, so I think it works.

I think so too.

It was cool to see all the past champions weren't made up of a bunch of He-Man look-alikes... they had a wide range of personalities, ethnicities, genders, and accents. I don't know what Wun-Dar was speaking, but if Eternia has a Spain/Portugal, this is where I envision him hailing from.

Originally Posted by UsernameMDM

The difference is that HQ was a well written complex character that added not only to the show, but also to the Joker, and could stand on her own story wise.

...because she was given room to grow as a character (over the last two decades) before she could be cut down.

I would like to see the same for Andra.

Originally Posted by Ornclown

I think so too.

It was cool to see all the past champions weren't made up of a bunch of He-Man look-alikes... they had a wide range of personalities, ethnicities, genders, and accents. I don't know what Wun-Dar was speaking, but if Eternia has a Spain/Portugal, this is where I envision him hailing from.

I appreciated that too.

...because she was given room to grow as a character (over the last two decades) before she could be cut down.

I would like to see the same for Andra.

Yeah, I think there's a lot of room to expand and explore in future stories involving Andra for sure!

I'm just gonna go ahead and guess now that fisto and clamp champ aren't done being relevant yet. Ted's refusal to explain the reasoning over what happened and being coy with it along with everything else confirms it for me.

Originally Posted by Ornclown

I think so too.

It was cool to see all the past champions weren't made up of a bunch of He-Man look-alikes... they had a wide range of personalities, ethnicities, genders, and accents. I don't know what Wun-Dar was speaking, but if Eternia has a Spain/Portugal, this is where I envision him hailing from.

...because she was given room to grow as a character (over the last two decades) before she could be cut down.

I would like to see the same for Andra.

I loved that Preternia episode so much! KG was so regal, I did not expect him to be black, but I thought he looked awesome and majestic. He-Ro was not the smartest, that was funny, and I just loved seeing Wun-Dar and the elder Sorceress.

I think if you are very attached to 200x, KG’s change might be bothersome to you. But if you’re not, it’s a cool change that I’m 100% down with (plus the figure looks fantastic).

With Andra, I liked very much what she brought to the group. She was the Newbie, but also she was close to Teela and her post-Masters life. She was competent and likable.
Her name is a throwback to the old comic, but otherwise she’s a new character. One that I would love to see explored more!

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Originally Posted by RiverToad

I'm just gonna go ahead and guess now that fisto and clamp champ aren't done being relevant yet. Ted's refusal to explain the reasoning over what happened and being coy with it along with everything else confirms it for me.

I would love that!

Originally Posted by Eamon

Teela needed a brand new ally seperate from all she new before so they created Andra.

Andra is based on an old comic character. She is not "new".

She is new to the Filmation time-line. But so are King Grayskull, He-Ro, Wundar, Scare-Glow, Pig Boy, Blade, Clamp-Champ, and Goat-Man.

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Originally Posted by Dice

This franchise consists of probably 90% characters that are non-human. It's as slam full of diversity as possible. So Andra being introduced, if this is this case, only to add race/gender to the show, seems really unnecessary to me.

Human or non-human, there has always been a lack of prominent females in MotU. That is just not going to fly anymore.

As for races, there are a lot of non-human races in MotU. But when the humans (and human-cyborgs) are 99.9% Caucasian, that sticks out like a sore thumb. It also is not going to fly in today's world.

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Originally Posted by Dice

I've always liked the bad guys best.
But Revelation to me did not do much at all for them. Most were barely even side characters and the ones that weren't were easily defeated by Teela and Andra. Poor fighting skills and a lot of bumbling around into each other. I was very disappointed.

Mer-Man was cool. Teela & Andra had a hard time, MAA had tp rescue them. I enjoyed Stinkor too. Spikor and Webstor put up a good fight too. Beast-Man was fierce.

But I really enjoyed Trap Jaw and Triclopse. I liked that they took on leadership roles in the power vacuum. And, being cyborgs, it made sense they would be the Horde cultists.

Originally Posted by Dice

I hope for a season 2 and even 3 and beyond. I would be good for the line and I'd rather have it now that not have it.

Me too! And maybe some other characters will see more screen time. The had a lot of ground to cover in just enough episodes.

Originally Posted by Ornclown

I think so too.

It was cool to see all the past champions weren't made up of a bunch of He-Man look-alikes... they had a wide range of personalities, ethnicities, genders, and accents. I don't know what Wun-Dar was speaking, but if Eternia has a Spain/Portugal, this is where I envision him hailing from.



...because she was given room to grow as a character (over the last two decades) before she could be cut down.

I would like to see the same for Andra.

I always loved Andra in the MOTU comic she was in and I love her in MOTUR!

Originally Posted by UsernameMDM

100%

They should have had Clamp Champ show up strong and not go out with less than 5 minutes of screen time. He was killed, turned into a demon, then his soul was destroyed. Come to think of it...nah, that's Tar Swamp stuff I guess.

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Just someone minting a token, that's all. The point was King Grayskull to look like He-Man because they were related. MOTUR crapped on that idea too. Oh yeah, he was killed too...

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The difference is that HQ was a well written complex character that added not only to the show, but also to the Joker, and could stand on her own story wise.

Andra was a token.

Considering the fact that a lot of people hate Harley today despite the multitude of fantastic stories she's been in over the years and in various mediums, I imagine that if she were just introduced today, she would be despised. I mean, there was a ton of vitriol when Punchline was introduced.

Originally Posted by BooperScoop

Considering the fact that a lot of people hate Harley today despite the multitude of fantastic stories she's been in over the years and in various mediums, I imagine that if she were just introduced today, she would be despised. I mean, there was a ton of vitriol when Punchline was introduced.

I've always absolutely adored Harley Quinn, especially Margot Robbie's version!

Originally Posted by UsernameMDM

They should have had Clamp Champ show up strong and not go out with less than 5 minutes of screen time. He was killed, turned into a demon, then his soul was destroyed.

Clamp Champ and Fisto saved Adam and Teela from the deadly mist. They died (tragically) as heroes.

There are dozens of cool.MotU characters. Even if we get another season or two, they will not allow get time in the spotlight - even for 5 minutes.

Originally Posted by UsernameMDM

The point was King Grayskull to look like He-Man because they were related. MOTUR crapped on that idea too.

That may have been the point in 200X. Revelation is (thankfully) not built on that continuity. Anything not from Filmation was reinterpreted.
200X itself took some liberties reinterpreting some characters. (eg, Keldor). It's fair game.

Originally Posted by UsernameMDM

Oh yeah, he was killed too...

He was already dead.

Originally Posted by crimhead

That may have been the point in 200X. Revelation is (thankfully) not built on that continuity. Anything not from Filmation was reinterpreted.
200X itself took some liberties reinterpreting some characters. (eg, Keldor). It's fair game.

Things from Filmation were reinterpreted too. For example: Prince Adam in Revelations has a pretty different look than Prince Adam in Filmation.

To be clear, I like Prince Adam looking different from He-Man. However, my point is Revelations reinterpreted from Filmation too.

As far as diversity is concerned, it's not that MOTU isn't diverse amongst Eternian races. It's that different human races don't see themselves up on the screen. It does make me sad to think that young girls or boys of other non-white races and orientations would love MOTU but feel left out when watching it. That actually makes me feel viscerally I'll. I was left out and bullied a lot growing up. It's awful. So even though I'd rather Clamp Champ or Fisto get the hundreds of minutes that Andra got (because I've loved them forever), it's no problem to me to let Andra have the time if it helps prevent some young kids from feeling those terrible things. He-man wouldn't want that. And if this was a real life situation, I bet you Fisto or Clamp Champ would step aside themselves. These guys were heroes, not just because they could fight. They'd do the right thing.

I still feel the show could have pulled it off better, but that's a different discussion.