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    Quote Originally Posted by The All American View Post
    This is a very interesting interview.
    Another interesting video which goes into similar concerns by Dr. Bhakdi in the prior video I posted. Dr. Robert Malone (who supposedly invented mRNA vaccines https://www.rwmalonemd.com) is on the left:


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    Interesting is not how I would describe it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Universe View Post



    Lol, this is the "magnetization" that conspiracy theorists are claiming to be experiencing these days. For some reason these people can't reproduce the effects on camera - we're supposed to take their word for it!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWI0YiSmTKs

    I love that these conspiracy theorists have literally never even played with magnets before. Do any of them realize how much magnetic material would have to be injected into a person in order to get knives and forks to stick to them? Apparently not.
    The first time I saw one of these videos I thought like you, I was Ok to imagine a lot of things but this idea was a little too hard to accept.
    Here in France (and Belgium were I am frequently) We have now a lot of cases rescenced, a lot of testimonials everywhere and I got some of them directly from members of my family, trust me They are not joking and again time will prove many things that today the mass medias have still fun to deny.

    "Conspiracy theorists" is the term used to discredit people who disagree with the official speach.
    May after the virus spread started few of Us were already warning about certain things (I am not talking on He-man.org but everywhere and as You know censorship has been applied to silence us... ask You why by the way...), mass medias are using the term conspiracy theorists to discredit a possible other truth, whether you are a great scientist recognized in the world or not.
    1 year and few months later many of these alerts are now confirmed by mass medias as "official" for many countries... sanitary pass, sanitary passport, nanotechnologies used, forced vaccinations, deployment of facial recognition, facemasks infected, the fact that the use of certain drugs were dangerous associated with covid infections etc
    What I mean: Today mass medias are saying that's magnetic effects is a big joke, it's Ok, but You are not safe to see these same medias saying the opposite in a while... One more time...

    As I understood about the magnetic effect it occurs few hours after the shots done and the effect then go away.
    It's not permanent.
    I don't know if all vaccines produce this, IMO I think it's only concerning mRNA vaccines, if someone around you gets vaccinated soon try with her the same day and see if it works on your own, You might be surprised.

    Dr. Hodkinson Interview - COVID-19 Vaccines, Infertility & Spike Protein Dangers:
    https://odysee.com/@TLAVagabond:5/Dr...tein-Dangers:9

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    Using the data provided by Tokyonever versus the worldwide fatality rate according to Google:

    British vaccine fatality rate: 1027 potential fatalities out of 39 million vaccinations studied. (0.0026% fatality rate)

    Worldwide COVID-19 fatality rate: 3.82 Million deaths out of 177 million known cases (2.16% fatality rate)
    I wanted to share this with You, what this guy calculate shows other results:

    Vaccine Has Killed MORE THAN COVID-19 Itself - United Kingdom Official Data
    https://odysee.com/@AmericaFloats:6/...icial-Data-1:8
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    Since one of my kids is scheduled for his 2nd vaccine shot late in the month I was interested in what was going to come out of the June 18th emergency meeting, but apparently it must not be an emergency to postpone it...
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pre...-meeting%3famp

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbc...mp/ncna1271200

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly View Post
    Since one of my kids is scheduled for his 2nd vaccine shot late in the month I was interested in what was going to come out of the June 18th emergency meeting, but apparently it must not be an emergency to postpone it...
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pre...-meeting%3famp

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbc...mp/ncna1271200
    Experts are saying not to worry.

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    I'm done with it and I'm done with worrying about it. Kim and I are both vaccinated and so are our children. It's the best thing we could do. Zoe returns to Ball State in the fall with the news from the president of Ball State that the students will be maskless.

    Look, it's never going to go completely away, just like the flu won't. But there comes a time to stop obsessing, to get on with life and to deal with the many other issues that face us.

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    Or we have like 98.9% of zero cases. I'm pretty much sure in the future that we will have specific age vaccination like how Calmette–Guérin TB vaccination in the age of 12 (At least in my country).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam_Prince of Eternia View Post
    Interesting is not how I would describe it.
    Alarming might be a better term.



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    Whew, what a relief. It's not like the four people (CDC Director and three public university professors) mentioned in the article would have any incentive to support these gene based shots. I trust them completely.

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    Our family's doctor, who has three children of her own, advises we hold off on getting our 13-year old Max vaccinated. Zoe and Alex -- 19 and 22 -- have had all their shots, as have Kim and I.

    I get holding off on Max, but this is summer and we're looking forward to a family cruise, so we're not sure what to do...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The All American View Post
    Alarming might be a better term.





    Whew, what a relief. It's not like the four people (CDC Director and three public university professors) mentioned in the article would have any incentive to support these gene based shots. I trust them completely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The All American View Post
    Alarming might be a better term.
    More like falsealarming.



    Quote Originally Posted by The All American View Post
    Whew, what a relief. It's not like the four people (CDC Director and three public university professors) mentioned in the article would have any incentive to support these gene based shots. I trust them completely.
    Why trust the experts when you can trust a random YouTube video with "red-pilled" in the thumbnail?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam_Prince of Eternia View Post
    Why trust the experts when you can trust a random YouTube video with "red-pilled" in the thumbnail?

    In France we have the second greatest epidemiologist in the world, He his called professor Didier Raoult.
    This guy cured people in his hospital with Hydroxychloroquine/azithromycin as soon as the outbreak started, He saved thousands of lives (the comparative curves with the other french regions prove it), at the same time the french government prohibited prescribing this remedy to all French doctors (and still today), many of these doctors got serious menaces and many lost their jobs confronted at the disciplinary council simply because They wanted to heal people.

    Pr. Didier Raoult was also the first one to test people in France and the first who started to sequence the virus, and again the governement at this time was saying that it was useless...

    At the same time again until now at TV You can see a lot of "doctors" saying days after days in all the Covid programs that Didier Raoult is a liar, a crazy guy, charlatante etc and claiming that Hydroxychloroquine never worked...
    I insist on one point, I said "doctors", not epidemiologists... now We know that most of them have conflicts of interest with Big pharma, that many of them have never treated a single Covid patient in their lifes, these people for over a year have not stopped contradicting themselves etc etc

    When You are going on Google You find only articles praising these people...
    You have to understand that many of these "doctors" or presumed "experts" are just paid by Big pharma to tell what they want to public, renowned scientists or
    honest high levels specialists find themselves permanently censored and threatened (in any case that's what happens in my country)

    Between listening the second greatest epidemiologist in the world or simple "doctors" wasting their time on tv instead of going to save people my choice is quickly made.

    The official speech to people from french governement was: "If you have Covid's symptoms wait at home and take just a Doliprane (Paracetamol), and if ever you are really too bad then come to the emergencies" (...when it was too late for many of them because no early treatments...)
    Today We have more than 200 scientific studies proving that Hydroxychloroquine/azithromycin is very efficient as early Covid treatment and less than 20 scientific studies saying the opposite.
    My governement until now prefer to listen to the 20 studies saying that it is not working and to not administer this treatment.

    Question for everyone here: 200 scientifics studies are saying that something is working and 20 others are saying not working, by simple logic which ones would you most believe?...

    An other thing: In retirement homes the french government has authorized doctors to give "Rivotril" (Clonazepam) at residents in difficulty (without needing the consent of families), Rivotril is proved to be killing if administrated for severe respiratory failures...(30% of our deaths are from retirement homes)
    Understand this thing about France: governement just killed people... Governement is also what 80% of population blindly believe...

    When a governement like the french one is pushing to vaccine max of its population I see a serious risk and I can't name that falsealarming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam_Prince of Eternia View Post
    More like falsealarming.





    Why trust the experts when you can trust a random YouTube video with "red-pilled" in the thumbnail?
    What's false about it? Please address what they stated was false.



    Quote Originally Posted by Heeeere's Olesker! View Post
    Our family's doctor, who has three children of her own, advises we hold off on getting our 13-year old Max vaccinated. Zoe and Alex -- 19 and 22 -- have had all their shots, as have Kim and I.

    I get holding off on Max, but this is summer and we're looking forward to a family cruise, so we're not sure what to do...

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    I trust my family, my Lord and Savior and the archangel Michael -- God's Warrior Angel. Beyond that I need to see a lot of history from anyone asking for my trust.
    These experimental gene based shots are new technology that was rushed (it usually takes about 10-20 years to approve vaccines to market). They're currently under emergency use. I strongly suggest you ask your doctor to provide a list of all the potential side effects and list of ingredients. They should be doing that anyway, informed consent, but I highly doubt that's happening in most cases. Also, look at the actual infection fatality ratios and data for children versus headlines. It's incredibly low, but do the research. If you want me to send you any data, feel free to PM me.

    Don't be feared, bullied, and/or guilted into it. I respect anyone putting whatever they want in their bodies, but children don't really have that choice. You as the parent have to make the hard decision.

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    Our family has been blessed with a truly amazing team of physicians. I did exhaustive research on all of them before I chose to let them into our lives many years ago. Now all I need to hear from them is their advise and I follow it. That said, I'll confess I do my follow-up research on all the data out there and if I have questions I ask them. To their credit, they are always open to my queries.

    Case in point, about six months after I started taking my statin, blood thinner regimen following my mini-stroke and minor heart attack I came upon several articles that indicated that the meds are about 40% more effective when taken at bedtime as opposed to at noon as I was taking them. My doctors researched this themselves and confirmed I was right, one of them correctly pointing out that doctors are so overwhelmed with work that they can't know every single thing about everything. He thanked me and told me he would disperse the information to all of his patients. They're doctors; not infallible demigods...

    Quote Originally Posted by The All American View Post
    What's false about it? Please address what they stated was false.





    These experimental gene based shots are new technology that was rushed (it usually takes about 10-20 years to approve vaccines to market). They're currently under emergency use. I strongly suggest you ask your doctor to provide a list of all the potential side effects and list of ingredients. They should be doing that anyway, informed consent, but I highly doubt that's happening in most cases. Also, look at the actual infection fatality ratios and data for children versus headlines. It's incredibly low, but do the research. If you want me to send you any data, feel free to PM me.

    Don't be feared, bullied, and/or guilted into it. I respect anyone putting whatever they want in their bodies, but children don't really have that choice. You as the parent have to make the hard decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heeeere's Olesker! View Post
    Case in point, about six months after I started taking my statin, blood thinner regimen following my mini-stroke and minor heart attack I came upon several articles that indicated that the meds are about 40% more effective when taken at bedtime as opposed to at noon as I was taking them. My doctors researched this themselves and confirmed I was right, one of them correctly pointing out that doctors are so overwhelmed with work that they can't know every single thing about everything. He thanked me and told me he would disperse the information to all of his patients. They're doctors; not infallible demigods...
    As someone with a sibling with a severe autoimmune disease, you learn how clueless most doctors are in many arenas. There's definitely a tunnel vision effect, especially with specialists. There's just so much out there, it's about impossible for a doctor to be an expert on everything. You have to be your own doctor as well. It helps getting second, third, fourth, etc... opinions when it's something serious. Even then you may get bad advice. When I take my car to the mechanic I usually turn a blind eye in most cases out of convenience/laziness. I've probably sunk money in some cases. That's the price of ignorance. Your body is your most valuable possession.

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    Most people forget that fifty percent of doctors graduated med school at the bottom of their class.

    I don't.

    Quote Originally Posted by The All American View Post
    As someone with a sibling with a severe autoimmune disease, you learn how clueless most doctors are in many arenas. There's definitely a tunnel vision effect, especially with specialists. There's just so much out there, it's about impossible for a doctor to be an expert on everything. You have to be your own doctor as well. It helps getting second, third, fourth, etc... opinions when it's something serious. Even then you may get bad advice. When I take my car to the mechanic I usually turn a blind eye in most cases out of convenience/laziness. I've probably sunk money in some cases. That's the price of ignorance. Your body is your most valuable possession.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TOKYONEVER View Post
    In France we have the second greatest epidemiologist in the world, He his called professor Didier Raoult.
    This guy cured people in his hospital with Hydroxychloroquine/azithromycin as soon as the outbreak started, He saved thousands of lives (the comparative curves with the other french regions prove it), at the same time the french government prohibited prescribing this remedy to all French doctors (and still today), many of these doctors got serious menaces and many lost their jobs confronted at the disciplinary council simply because They wanted to heal people.

    Pr. Didier Raoult was also the first one to test people in France and the first who started to sequence the virus, and again the governement at this time was saying that it was useless...

    At the same time again until now at TV You can see a lot of "doctors" saying days after days in all the Covid programs that Didier Raoult is a liar, a crazy guy, charlatante etc and claiming that Hydroxychloroquine never worked...
    I insist on one point, I said "doctors", not epidemiologists... now We know that most of them have conflicts of interest with Big pharma, that many of them have never treated a single Covid patient in their lifes, these people for over a year have not stopped contradicting themselves etc etc

    When You are going on Google You find only articles praising these people...
    You have to understand that many of these "doctors" or presumed "experts" are just paid by Big pharma to tell what they want to public, renowned scientists or
    honest high levels specialists find themselves permanently censored and threatened (in any case that's what happens in my country)

    Between listening the second greatest epidemiologist in the world or simple "doctors" wasting their time on tv instead of going to save people my choice is quickly made.

    The official speech to people from french governement was: "If you have Covid's symptoms wait at home and take just a Doliprane (Paracetamol), and if ever you are really too bad then come to the emergencies" (...when it was too late for many of them because no early treatments...)
    Today We have more than 200 scientific studies proving that Hydroxychloroquine/azithromycin is very efficient as early Covid treatment and less than 20 scientific studies saying the opposite.
    My governement until now prefer to listen to the 20 studies saying that it is not working and to not administer this treatment.

    Question for everyone here: 200 scientifics studies are saying that something is working and 20 others are saying not working, by simple logic which ones would you most believe?...

    An other thing: In retirement homes the french government has authorized doctors to give "Rivotril" (Clonazepam) at residents in difficulty (without needing the consent of families), Rivotril is proved to be killing if administrated for severe respiratory failures...(30% of our deaths are from retirement homes)
    Understand this thing about France: governement just killed people... Governement is also what 80% of population blindly believe...

    When a governement like the french one is pushing to vaccine max of its population I see a serious risk and I can't name that falsealarming.
    Even a cursory search identifies the problems with his study:

    "Raoult's study had measured only viral load. It offered no data on clinical outcomes, and it was not clear if the patients' actual symptoms had improved or indeed whether the patients lived or died. At the outset, 26 patients were assigned to receive hydroxychloroquine, six more than the 20 who appeared in the final results. The six additional patients had been 'lost in follow-up,' the authors wrote, 'because of early cessation of treatment.' The reasons given were concerning. One patient stopped taking the drug after developing nausea. Three patients had to be transferred out of the institute to intensive care. One patient died. (Another patient elected to leave the hospital before the end of the treatment cycle.) 'So four of the 26 treated patients were actually not recovering at all,' noted Elisabeth Bik, a scientific consultant who wrote a widely circulated blog post on Raoult's study. She paraphrased the sarcasm circulating on Twitter: 'My results always look amazing if I leave out the patients who died.'

    The report was also riddled with discrepancies and apparent errors. Its selection criteria called for participants above the age of 12, but three of the control subjects were younger than this. The control patients were drawn not only from the IHU but also from hospitals in two other cities, where the standard of care and the testing protocols may have differed. Fourteen of 16 control patients were reported to have tested positive for the virus at the conclusion of the study on Day 6. In fact, according to the initial report, for five of those 14, no data was collected that day. One of the six patients who received hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin and was recorded as 'virologically cured' at Day 6 was found, in the end, to be carrying the virus two days later.

    This apparent sloppiness was unsurprising to many of those who have tracked Raoult's work in the past. A prominent French microbiologist told me that, in terms of publication, Raoult's reputation among scientists has been 'long gone' for some time. 'In private,' the researcher wrote to me, 'everybody agrees on the low reliability/reproducibility of most of the papers coming out of his lab.' (He asked to speak anonymously so as not to anger Raoult, whom he knows.) In 2018, after damning evaluations, Raoult's principal laboratory groups were stripped of their association with two of France's top public research institutions. Raoult was found to have produced an extraordinary number of publications but few of great quality. 'It's very easy to publish ******** when you know how publishing works,' said Karine Lacombe, a professor of medicine in Paris who has recently been among Raoult's more outspoken critics.

    Beyond its apparent errors and omissions, the study's design—its small size, its flawed control, the unrandomized assignment of patients to the treatment and control groups—was widely viewed to render its results meaningless. Fauci repeatedly called its results 'anecdotal'; the biostatistician who analyzed the paper on behalf of the French government's coronavirus advisory committee wrote that it was 'impossible to interpret the effect described therein as being attributable to treatment with hydroxychloroquine.'"

    The issue here is not lack of scientific consensus among experts, it is a lack of scientific literacy among certain members of the public.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The All American View Post
    What's false about it? Please address what they stated was false.
    How about all of it? "Red-pilled" is the lexicon of conspiracy theorists. It is not even worth considering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam_Prince of Eternia View Post
    How about all of it? "Red-pilled" is the lexicon of conspiracy theorists. It is not even worth considering.
    Clever way to not address their discussion there, lol.

    You seem to like utilizing ad hominem and association fallacies.

    Again, I invite you to break down all the discussion they're making in the video since you claim it's fallacious. Should be easy to do, especially since the inventor of mRNA technology is part of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The All American View Post
    Clever way to not address their discussion there, lol.

    You seem to like utilizing ad hominem and association fallacies.

    Again, I invite you to break down all the discussion they're making in the video since you claim it's fallacious. Should be easy to do, especially since the inventor of mRNA technology is part of it.
    No, you seem to like conspiracies that confirm your pre-existing biases. Just because you are more than willing to consume that nonsense, does not mean the rest of us have to entertain it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam_Prince of Eternia View Post
    No, you seem to like conspiracies that confirm your pre-existing biases. Just because you are more than willing to consume that nonsense, does not mean the rest of us have to entertain it.
    You're making further ad hominem and association fallacy attacks.

    I'll invite you again to address the discussion in the video you claim is fallacious. I have a feeling you didn't even watch the video which is unfortunate. It's an interesting discussion! Open your mind.

    I have a degree in Philosophy so it's in my nature to question by the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The All American View Post
    You're making further ad hominem and association fallacy attacks.

    I'll invite you again to address the discussion in the video you claim is fallacious. I have a feeling you didn't even watch the video which is unfortunate. It's an interesting discussion! Open your mind.

    I have a degree in Philosophy so it's in my nature to question by the way.
    I have a degree in Philosophy with a dual emphasis in Ethics and Logic. You are not questioning anything, your digesting information from questionable sources completely undigested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam_Prince of Eternia View Post
    I have a degree in Philosophy with a dual emphasis in Ethics and Logic. You are not questioning anything, your digesting information from questionable sources completely undigested.
    And again you're making ad hominem and association fallacy attacks.

    Having an open mind is the key for any student of Philosophy in my opinion. I'm really sorry to hear you can't.

    Around 1:36 in the video, Steve Kirsch mentions, "They'll look at it for about 30 seconds and say, I don't believe this. It's the cognitive dissonance....This can't possibly be true, and they immediately write it off, but they can't cite anything that is wrong with it, they can't argue any of the points, and they'll delve into ad hominem attacks..."

    The meat and potatoes of the scientific discussion occurs later with Dr. Robert Malone (inventor of the mRNA vaccines) on the spikes. None of the individuals in this discussion are anti-vaccination. They're warning about these unknown side effects (which I argued a year ago could appear because of how the rollout was rushed - Warp speed).

    Watch the video. If you say it's fallacious, don't attack me or them, attack their discussion and point out what's inaccurate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam_Prince of Eternia View Post
    Even a cursory search identifies the problems with his study:

    "Raoult's study had measured only viral load. ..... as being attributable to treatment with hydroxychloroquine.'"

    The issue here is not lack of scientific consensus among experts, it is a lack of scientific literacy among certain members of the public.

    Are You serious for real with this answer?

    Karine Lacombe is working for big pharma, She supported everywhere the administration of the "Remdesivir" drug (from Gilead).
    Remdesivir is know to be a powerful mutagen for Covid.... in other words: Remdesivir is creating variants, this fact is now recognized in europe.
    By the way Europe bought for 1 billion of this drug when scientific studies already proved the problems with this drug... Ask You why again...

    https://association-victimes-coronav...-le-sras-cov2/
    "The Remdesivir so much praised by Karine Lacombe, Martin Blachier, Yazdan Yazdanpanah, Nathan Pfeiffer Smadja, widely promoted by the government which organized its free distribution, is not only ineffective and dangerous but also a source of mutations in the SARS-Cov virus. -2!"
    Please give me a favor, translate everything in this link and just read, You'll see where the problem is, and trust me it is not from Raoult because He was the first one to alert about Remdesivir.

    You have to know that Karine Lacombe is one of the people who have fun to destroy Didier Raoult in France publicly since the beginning but this woman did not cure anyone from Covid unlike Raoult in this story, She just helped to kill people by promoting in mass medias the administration of a poison and at the same time making the virus more resistant...
    She is also saying a lot fo stupid things like that fact that" Vitamin D" is not working to get a better immune defense... or again She also said few months ago that Covid variants were just no existing... no comment lol

    The last Youtube video from the professor Raoult, You can hear him just few minutes (just add english subtitles) and You'll see the guy level...


    Now karine Lacombe:

    (add subtitles again)
    See how this woman is publicly lying, She is saying that Scientist studies are all reporting that hydroxychloroquine is not working... She is talking about the 20 studies I was referencing above (remember: more than 200 other scientists studies are saying that it is working...)

    You are sharing what a simple doctor is saying concerning one of the greatest epidemic specialist in the world...

    back to 05/20/2020: The mortality rate (measured as the number of deaths per million inhabitants) for the whole of France excluding retirement homes is 270. This rate is 751 in Paris (Karine Lacombe town) and 147 in Marseille (Pr Raoult town).
    With the IHU bitherapeutic protocol (AZ Azitromycin + HCQ Hydroxychloroquine), the mortality rate decreases to 16.
    These regions have identical epidemiological characteristics.
    I can share you the link I am using as refence but it is in french again: https://www.francesoir.fr/societe-sa...e-les-chiffres

    I know that what is happening in France is not known to everyone when You are not living here, as for me about how the things exactly are in USA, but do not tell me that some of Us do not understand anything about science, it is obvious that science exceeds many of us, but That's not only about science, that's mainly about facts...

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    I know it can be difficult to keep politics out of a Coronavirus/vaccine discussion. But in an effort to keep this thread open, let's remember to keep the discussion as far away from politics as possible and try to avoid using terms like right-wing, leftist, etc. Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by The All American View Post
    And again you're making ad hominem and association fallacy attacks.

    Having an open mind is the key for any student of Philosophy in my opinion. I'm really sorry to hear you can't.

    Around 1:36 in the video, Steve Kirsch mentions, "They'll look at it for about 30 seconds and say, I don't believe this. It's the cognitive dissonance....This can't possibly be true, and they immediately write it off, but they can't cite anything that is wrong with it, they can't argue any of the points, and they'll delve into ad hominem attacks..."

    The meat and potatoes of the scientific discussion occurs later with Dr. Robert Malone (inventor of the mRNA vaccines) on the spikes. None of the individuals in this discussion are anti-vaccination. They're warning about these unknown side effects (which I argued a year ago could appear because of how the rollout was rushed - Warp speed).

    Watch the video. If you say it's fallacious, don't attack me or them, attack their discussion and point out what's inaccurate.
    Open-mindedness does not involve considering all claims, or treating them as having equal merit, for the sake of open-mindedness. I am really sorry you do not seem to understand that.

    If the scientific claims in this video had merit, the people making them could present them without the political framing, and allow them to rise or fall on their own. Or better yet, submit them to the rigors of scientific review, and be vindicated.

    Instead they are being presented in the court of public opinion as the "ultimate red-pill" for all the "normies" who believe in the scientific consensus about the mRNA vaccine.

    This framing telegraphs to anyone with the least bit of critical thinking that this is politically-motivated misinformation. That the claims are likely based in truth, enough so to confuse a lay person, but also incomplete or misleading.

    I do not need to waste the time even considering it. I am sorry you do. I am even more sorry that your degree in Philosophy did not inoculate you from finding this appealing.

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    Are You serious for real with this answer?
    Are you serious with this answer? You did not address any of the criticisms of the study of Raoult. You only suggested that one of the experts who criticized his study may be financially motivated to do so, because she is advocating for a different drug treatment. Nevermind that she could also be advocating for said treatment, because it is also more effective. By that same reasoning, Raoult is equally suspect, because he is advocating for a drug treatment himself. You did not bother to address any of his other critics, evidently because you could not criticize them in the same way as Lacombe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam_Prince of Eternia View Post
    Open-mindedness does not involve considering all claims, or treating them as having equal merit, for the sake of open-mindedness. I am really sorry you do not seem to understand that.

    If the scientific claims in this video had merit, the people making them could present them without the political framing, and allow them to rise or fall on their own. Or better yet, submit them to the rigors of scientific review, and be vindicated.

    Instead they are being presented in the court of public opinion as the "ultimate red-pill" for all the "normies" who believe in the scientific consensus about the mRNA vaccine.

    This framing telegraphs to anyone with the least bit of critical thinking that this is politically-motivated misinformation. That the claims are likely based in truth, enough so to confuse a lay person, but also incomplete or misleading.

    I do not need to waste the time even considering it. I am sorry you do. I am even more sorry that your degree in Philosophy did not inoculate you from finding this appealing.
    You still haven't addressed what you claim is fallacious in the video/discussion.

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