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    Star Wars SC 38 Reimagined

    This is how the light saber battle in original Star Wars should have been.

    So Glad Super7 has the Thundercats Lic. Looking forward to all they have to offer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjw41 View Post
    This is how the light saber battle in original Star Wars should have been.
    My only complaint is when Obi Wan force Pushes Vader away. That's a bunch of revisionist crap. A Jedi uses the force for knowledge and defense, never attack. That's what separates the good jedi from the fallen ones. They've relaxed it a bit with things like droids and stuff... but yeah, Agressive manuevers like that should never be done with Obi-wan or Yoda. They were keepers of the Code.


    Other than that 2 second blip... it's an amazing video

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    Quote Originally Posted by phantom1592 View Post
    My only complaint is when Obi Wan force Pushes Vader away. That's a bunch of revisionist crap. A Jedi uses the force for knowledge and defense, never attack. That's what separates the good jedi from the fallen ones. They've relaxed it a bit with things like droids and stuff... but yeah, Agressive manuevers like that should never be done with Obi-wan or Yoda. They were keepers of the Code.


    Other than that 2 second blip... it's an amazing video
    I re watched it and I don't think obi Wan's force push was so much of an attack as it was keeping Vader from getting to him after Vader knocked him down and was coming in for the kill. Obi wan simply slowly stood up after force pushing Vader back from him, Obi want didn't attack Vader in that 2 second blip. Besides if you go back and look at Anakin and Obi wan's duel on Mustifar they both used a force push on each other at the same time.
    So Glad Super7 has the Thundercats Lic. Looking forward to all they have to offer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjw41 View Post
    I re watched it and I don't think obi Wan's force push was so much of an attack as it was keeping Vader from getting to him after Vader knocked him down and was coming in for the kill. Obi wan simply slowly stood up after force pushing Vader back from him, Obi want didn't attack Vader in that 2 second blip. Besides if you go back and look at Anakin and Obi wan's duel on Mustifar they both used a force push on each other at the same time.
    Oh, I was equally ticked off when they did it then too

    For me, everything we know about the Force and Jedi comes from the wise master Yoda. That was the foundation that Star wars was built on. Anything that is done after that contradicts it is wrong. That includes big chunks of the Prequels too . There was a lot i liked about the prequels... but even then Lucas was retconning his own story with an inferior one.

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    I saw this last year.

    Never dawned on me to post it here. Let alone on Star Wars Day.

    It's not bad.

    What gets me is that I want to say: you find that saber scene that bad? that boring? You can't accept that movie or that scene? what it unnerves you? are you a revisionist?

    that scene never bothered me.

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    I love the idea of having a prequel-esque lightsaber battle in Star Wars A New Hope. As it's own thing, it's great. I guess my only complaint is that because of the different take on camera angles and all the lens flares, it wouldn't blend into the rest of the movie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by midor View Post
    What gets me is that I want to say: you find that saber scene that bad? that boring? You can't accept that movie or that scene? what it unnerves you? are you a revisionist?

    that scene never bothered me.
    I can say it bugged me. Especially after Episode one showed us some awesome fight scenes. I remember some behind the scenes stuff showing that the Ep 4 lightsabers were REALLY fragile and could never actually touch each other. The bright flashes were there to hide that David Prowse and Alec Guiness's blades were about 2" apart at all times. Not to mention that Prowse was half blind in that helmet and come Empire Bob Anderson took over the actual fighting...

    So yeah, there's a lot of behind the scenes reason that the epic lightsaber fight we'd been waiting for since luke first ignited that blade in Ben's cave really sucked... but it still sucked. Especially after the prequels where you look at that fight as the culmination of their relationship that started in all three prequels and the clone wars series and ends with.... an old man and a robot stiffly swinging two bats back and forth till one just quits.

    It was fine in the 80's, but with the way Lightsaber fights have evolved... I have no problem with someone going back and making it a bit more awesome :P

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    The duel was tame even just compared to the other duels in the OT but they were still in the process of figuring out the fx to pull off lightsabers on screen so it gets a pass from me. Anyway, the scene seemed to be more about them meeting again and works as kind of a coda of sorts to their relationship than an actual fight.
    The one thing I'm surprised they never bothered to fix is that shot where Obi Wan's saber is at a straight on angle with the camera.

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    If it was filmed today yes it would be a more exciting fight. This seems a bit not quite right though.

    contextually speaking for a movie of the time the sword fight was a bit on the tame side considering adding in laser sword effects, but even outside that most fight scenes were quite tame considering you had fixed point cameras and many other things that didn't allow for how fight scenes are filmed now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wyldman11 View Post
    If it was filmed today yes it would be a more exciting fight. This seems a bit not quite right though.

    contextually speaking for a movie of the time the sword fight was a bit on the tame side considering adding in laser sword effects, but even outside that most fight scenes were quite tame considering you had fixed point cameras and many other things that didn't allow for how fight scenes are filmed now.
    IMO, the ANH duel was pedestrian even for its time. Captain Kronus, the Four Musketeers were movies from around the same period that had much more physical and exciting sword fights. Tame by today's standards obviously . And of course, the skeleton fight at the end of Jason and the Argonauts from the previous decade but, that might be an apples and oranges comparison in that instance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dcr4 View Post
    IMO, the ANH duel was pedestrian even for its time. Captain Kronus, the Four Musketeers were movies from around the same period that had much more physical and exciting sword fights. Tame by today's standards obviously . And of course, the skeleton fight at the end of Jason and the Argonauts from the previous decade but, that might be an apples and oranges comparison in that instance.
    Agreed.

    There have been some absolutely amazing duels before 1977. Mark of Zorro 1940 with Tyrone Power is still tough to beat. Backstory there was one of the actors mother was an olympic fencer and the other was a fencing instructor i think and they had a fantastic duel worked out.

    But it's also.. Bob Anderson. He's done some of the greatest sword fights in film history. He's worked with Errol Flynn, did Mask of Zorro, Pirates of the Carribbiean, Highlander, Lord of the rings, and of course the legendary Princess Bride.

    The man knew how to film an exciting and cinematic fight scene. Ep4 was held back by technolgy... and maybe Lucas, but mostly technology. You can see the fights get better and better as the franchise went on.

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    I agree as fight choreography goes, the original was slow paced and nothing special. There were plenty of fight scenes around that time and before that were more exciting and intense.

    The special effects would have hindered it some, an aging actor, an actor in a plastic suit that may or may not have restricted movement or vision.

    It was somewhat of an homage to Japanese samurai movies, specifically those made by Kurosawa. His fights are great for the story telling purposes but as actual fights scenes they mostly aren't that great.

    The reimagined scene is a great fight scene, but would seem out of place in the movie (despite them editing actual scenes from the movie). Now I will say Kurosawa would have made the scene better without adding much more choreography.
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    had to watch (again) for one of the best lines ever.

    You said it brother... wait you said that?

    But yes that is ultimately where I land myself. Fight scenes and sex scenes in movies to me are similar in many ways. Generally speaking they need to add something to the story. Yes there are certain subgenres where they are the story but I would argue that is the point. A well choreographed fight, feels out of place when it doesn't bring anything to the narrative.

    A movie that isn't just about fight porn, should strive to make the fights realistic* but not at the sacrifice of story telling. My main point ultimately was, could someone have done the same with a better mix of fight choreography, cinematography, and actors acting? More than likely. I think this goes into the realm of too choreographed. Yes you do get some of the emotion etc in the fight, but some of that has to be regained through the use of voice over. Slightly different issue that proves the same, a few months back someone posted the in movie scene of Elsa singing Let it Go without the instruments and some adjustments for space and natural sounds. The scene works without the music, which was something someone told me should be true in most musical numbers in a musical, if the instrumentation is removed and the scene still works you have furthered the story. The voice overs show that the fight scene doesn't do it on it's own.

    *Realistic in the context of the story, considering we are watching a movie about space wizards with light swords certain things would be different. For example the reimagined at 4.23, that block from Obi wan is really close to his body if not actually resting on him. It takes me out, with a normal sword it would work better (still some issue in a real world situation)
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