Masterverse Toyline Discussion Thread

[BooperScoop]

Amen. When we are so close to completely finishing things up. The missing New Adventures figures Sagitar, Nocturna, Vizar, Artilla, Spinwit, Kano, Masters Sebrian, Butthead, Staghorn, Lizzor, Hoove, Crystoll; Lady Slither, Vypor Stretch Neck and Quick Flick for the Snake Men; Admiral Scurvey, Colonel Blast and False Face for the Horde; the Twiggets, Joya, Josh, Red Knight for the Rebellion; Miro, Queen Andreeno, Lieutenat Andra, Garth, Kol-Darr for the Masters, then there’s a bunch of independent villains I want for my Council Of Evil Shezar, Kothos, Negator, Game Master, Slave Master, Hunga, Sultra, Crimson Countess, Great Black Wizard, General Tataran, Anghast, Aramesch.

I’d really like to see Sharella, Red Shadow, Gladiator, and Bandwidth to fill out the Powers of Grayskull, and we need Skeleteen and the unique Son of He-Man characters as well as the create a character runner ups and I’ll be happy

Bruh, just think about this for a second. Josh, a character from one POP minicomic who does nothing but hang out with Bow in a very homoerotic manner is one the list of characters needed to finish the lineup. He has no discernable character traits outside of wearing purple. I don't think he even had any lines. Let's face it, MOTUC ran out of cool characters a long time ago.

Also, this line existing doesn't mean we won't get any of them (minus Josh, I doubt we'll ever see Josh). Like, Andra is very likely (if the first few waves are Revelations themed, I bet we'll get her as she's in the show's core cast). I also wouldn't be surprised if we get some NA stuff (and with the way this line is set up, I'm willing to bet we'll see BAF, and Saggitar would be a perfect NA BAF).

[Lasastard]

Well, whether Classics continues as part of this line is semantics, imho. The Classics that everbody is thinking of is surely "over" - I just don't see Mattel resurrecting that old design and sell it at *that* price point. Just not happening. And as others have said, Classics had an amazing run, but there just isn't anything left that would have a wider appeal (and would thus be a viable business strategy) outside of a very hardcore but small circle of die-hard fans. And I simply don't see Mattel allowing another 7" line to exist if they are just planning to come out with this stuff.

That said, I am curious as to what their thought process was with Masterverse - considering that MOTU:O is *just* hitting retailers, and won't have a wider release until Q1 2021. Seems like they would cannibalize into their own product line with this, giving that it is surely not a "high end" collectors product, but more akin to Marvel Legends or SW:Black Series.

[TopToysLand]

This is how 30 points of articulation looks like.

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[abaddon]

As others have speculated, I think Classics becomes part of this line. The line is called Masterverse not Revelations—- it appears the start of the line is a direct tie-in to the Kevin Smith Netflix series but future waves will include versions of MotU from other continuities within the canon. I think the Masters of the Multiverse comic was an introduction to this direction.

I think you've hit the nail on the head with this.

[snikt]

It's too early to say that Classics might be back.

But if you take a look into the Eye of Agamotto, Masterverse might be the only possible (realistic) way to get the remaining Classics characters. So, we're on the right track.

[motogp_fanatic]

Sounds cool, can’t wait to hear more.

But unless it’s a direct continuation of Classics, which means styling and sculpting which fits in seamlessly, and provides characters we don’t already have, then no, it won’t necessarily make Classics fans happy.

As much as the news is nice and about a 7inches line, you are right, it will not make Classics fans happy. MOC collector more so. There is something special in a MOTUC buck that makes everything seamless. It only needs some proportionality difference and it simply won't mesh well.

The only thing I can be glad with the news is that unmade vehicles and playsets and beast might be used for Classics (hope aesthetically it mesh well).

I'm happy for those who are happy with the news.

On a personal note, I just felt that I was left by the MOTU bus as they off to a big party and grand endeavours. Well I still have some characters to hunt from the past so I guess that where my energy and funds will go.

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[Webstor's Ghost]

There's NO reason to NOT think Masterverse is DC Multiverse but for MOTU. That said: They used DCUC (the line that preceded DC Multiverse) bucks AND they used MOTUC bucks in DC Multiverse. So, there's NO reason to NOT think they'll be using MOTU Classics bucks throughout the Masterverse line. Is it possible I'm wrong? Sure. But from precedence, chances are that I'm correct.

[Orko's Magic Hat]

As others have speculated, I think Classics becomes part of this line. The line is called Masterverse not Revelations—- it appears the start of the line is a direct tie-in to the Kevin Smith Netflix series but future waves will include versions of MotU from other continuities within the canon. I think the Masters of the Multiverse comic was an introduction to this direction.

Exactly.

Once Revelation is done, Mattel could release some other series under the "MASTERVERSE" line - Club Grayskull, Classics/Ultimates, Mini Comic, Multiverse, 200X, Pop etc...

I'm really excited and glad they are doing this, I cannot wait for the Revelation series to hit and the toys to come out.

[oansun]

There's NO reason to NOT think Masterverse is DC Multiverse but for MOTU. That said: They used DCUC (the line that preceded DC Multiverse) bucks AND they used MOTUC bucks in DC Multiverse. So, there's NO reason to NOT think they'll be using MOTU Classics bucks throughout the Masterverse line. Is it possible I'm wrong? Sure. But from precedence, chances are that I'm correct.

In for Bow and New Adventures guys on a DCUC buck

[Webstor's Ghost]

In for Bow and New Adventures guys on a DCUC buck

I wasn't considering that as a possibility because I've always viewed DC Multiverse as a 6-inch scale line and when MOTUC bucks were used in DC Multiverse, it was for larger characters. But ya never know.

[Orko's Magic Hat]

Just gotta keep pestering Mattel until they get the message. Nobody asked for yet another new line with the same dozen core characters for the umpteenth time. Classics fans didn't invest thousands of dollars over more than ten years in order to be asked to shill out more hard earned cash for the same predictable line-up. We want figures of characters we haven't had before, in Classics style. Not interested in this and won't be buying it.

Speak for yourself, I purchased MOTUC to enjoy it and knew it would end one day, I love my collection and cherish it but its so big already, I'm ready for something new.

A new line based on the Revelation series makes perfect sense, it is to support a cartoon and will be available at retail for the public to buy, the majority won't have collected MOTUC, so the main characters will be needed to be released again. It's all about pushing the brand forward.

A lineup with Kayo, Josh, Hans Hammer Holder, Butt-Head, Joya, Tug-O-War would die at retail and would only cater to a small minority of fans.

I would love to get Sagitar, Lady Slither, Miro etc one day in the future, but I don't think now is the time.

[oansun]

Bruh, just think about this for a second. Josh, a character from one POP minicomic who does nothing but hang out with Bow in a very homoerotic manner is one the list of characters needed to finish the lineup. He has no discernable character traits outside of wearing purple. I don't think he even had any lines. Let's face it, MOTUC ran out of cool characters a long time ago.

Also, this line existing doesn't mean we won't get any of them (minus Josh, I doubt we'll ever see Josh). Like, Andra is very likely (if the first few waves are Revelations themed, I bet we'll get her as she's in the show's core cast). I also wouldn't be surprised if we get some NA stuff (and with the way this line is set up, I'm willing to bet we'll see BAF, and Saggitar would be a perfect NA BAF).

I mean, I guess you can dismiss the entirety of his list by just using this as an example?
It's fine if you don't care about New Adventures, but plenty of us do

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I wasn't considering that as a possibility because I've always viewed DC Multiverse as a 6-inch scale line and when MOTUC bucks were used in DC Multiverse, it was for larger characters. But ya never know.

Mostly a joke, im aware of the size difference

[Haephestus]

It will be interesting to see what this first Revelations-inspired wave and subsequent waves look like. I just hope that Mattel doesn’t end up flooding the market with an overload of He-Man product all at once.

As for the first wave, I wonder if one of those silhouettes is Queen Teela? I’m guessing so. I was kind of hoping that Teela May have accepted the mantle of the Sorceress in the “sequel” series, but Queen Teela is still pretty cool. And it looks like there is a second female silhouette. I’m guessing Evil-Lyn? But, they could surprise us.

[limelitemach1]

Speak for yourself, I purchased MOTUC to enjoy it and knew it would end one day, I love my collection and cherish it but its so big already, I'm ready for something new.

A new line based on the Revelation series makes perfect sense, it is to support a cartoon and will be available at retail for the public to buy, the majority won't have collected MOTUC, so the main characters will be needed to be released again. It's all about pushing the brand forward.

A lineup with Kayo, Josh, Hans Hammer Holder, Butt-Head, Joya, Tug-O-War would die at retail and would only cater to a small minority of fans.

I would love to get Sagitar, Lady Slither, Miro etc one day in the future, but I don't think now is the time.

Easy answer: Let super 7 continue classics. Let them put out figures that origins and the new line will never get deep enough into.

[Webstor's Ghost]

I mean, I guess you can dismiss the entirety of his list by just using this as an example?
It's fine if you don't care about New Adventures, but plenty of us do

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Mostly a joke, im aware of the size difference

If the joke is that you're desperate for N/A releases by hook or by crook? As I've stated on this site before... I'm with ya on N/A. I'm for any faction. But because N/A was an actual toyline, I'm longing for N/A gap-fillers more than most.

[13977]

It isn't competition. It's the fact that literally nobody outside of a small group of a thousand, probably less want those. I'm a pretty big fan, and I have no clue who Kothos is, and like, Lady Slither is a new character from a minicomic that came late in MOTUC's lifespan.

Then why not let Super7 continue MOTUC on the condition they're only allowed to do obscure characters?

[wayne-klops]

This is how 30 points of articulation looks like.

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I am not a fan of how the arms and legs look on figures like that, so I hope these figures don't end up looking like that.

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[oansun]

If the joke is that you're desperate for N/A releases by hook or by crook? As I've stated on this site before... I'm with ya on N/A. I'm for any faction. But because N/A was an actual toyline, I'm longing for N/A gap-fillers more than most.

no, just that they are smaller size figures and we didn't have a small male buck in classics and toys reusing bodies hence the reverse of using DCUC bucks in MOTUC.

Sheesh, drawing stuff out like this just makes it less goofy and fun.

Giant muscle Bow doesn't work super well

[Barbecue17]

There's NO reason to NOT think Masterverse is DC Multiverse but for MOTU. That said: They used DCUC (the line that preceded DC Multiverse) bucks AND they used MOTUC bucks in DC Multiverse. So, there's NO reason to NOT think they'll be using MOTU Classics bucks throughout the Masterverse line. Is it possible I'm wrong? Sure. But from precedence, chances are that I'm correct.

I think you (and others) are spot on. With an umbrella line like this Mattel is free to draw from multiple sources without having to constantly rebrand. This does sound exactly like what they did with DC Multiverse from 2016 until last year when they lost the DC license. The DC Multiverse line presented figures from the DCEU films, new comic based figures, classic figures that fit in with DCUC (and its related lines), and even previous smaller lines like the Dark Knight Returns. Revelations is the first significant piece of MOTU media since the 200x cartoon, so it absolutely makes sense that they would want to capitalize on it. By putting it in this line they don't have to be tied down if it isn't as successful as they want it to be nor do they have to rebrand product or reacquire retailer space to change the line. They could easily slip in Filmation/ Club Grayskull, comic based, and MOTUC figures in. They already have those base bodies, too, so it seems a smart bet that we'll see figures using them again. Hasbro uses the same tactic with Marvel Legends and Star Wars: The Black Series and McFarlane Toys with DC Multiverse now as well: An umbrella line that offers up figures from different eras/ media/ etc. It seems like a better idea for today's retailers and markets who are reluctant to carry short-lived lines.

[Lasastard]

Easy answer: Let super 7 continue classics. Let them put out figures that origins and the new line will never get deep enough into.

Why would S7 even want to? I don't think you have to be a rocket scientist to understand that stuff like the Disney Ultimates and the early lines of TMNT and Thundercats are going to move a lot more units than some third-rank MOTU character ever could. Especially now that MOTU is back on the shelves in force. S7 were lucky they struck that deal for the movie figures and there is still some "wiggle room" in CG regarding "known" characters, maybe. But Classics... some stores still have the Slamurai/Snakemen 3 pack collecting dust, as well as the two last waves of CG. This stuff just doesn't move at that price point ...

Oh and we all know what would happen if S7 actually did pull out more Classics figures out of their hat, the ********* that would follow the inevtiable shortcomings of the engineering and paint (see TC and TMNT...).

[Firefly]

Why would S7 even want to? I don't think you have to be a rocket scientist to understand that stuff like the Disney Ultimates and the early lines of TMNT and Thundercats are going to move a lot more units than some third-rank MOTU character ever could. Especially now that MOTU is back on the shelves in force. S7 were lucky they struck that deal for the movie figures and there is still some "wiggle room" in CG regarding "known" characters, maybe. But Classics... some stores still have the Slamurai/Snakemen 3 pack collecting dust, as well as the two last waves of CG. This stuff just doesn't move at that price point ...

Oh and we all know what would happen if S7 actually did pull out more Classics figures out of their hat, the ********* that would follow the inevtiable shortcomings of the engineering and paint (see TC and TMNT...).

I think some people overestimate Thundercats' popularity. I don't see that line lasting long. MOTU has a much more hardcore base and a bigger mainstream awareness. Look at how much more MOTU collector items have come out over the years compared to Thundercats. The original Thundercats never came close to the popularity of the other big guns of the 80s like MOTU, Transformers, or G.I. Joe. The 2011 line, both based on the new cartoon and old cartoon, failed at retail. Mattel's collector line didn't go far.

While some of these Masterverse figures may be end up being close to the Classics look, I'd be surprised if they are exact matches. I think Classics is still pretty much dead.

[bigsexy_j]

Any mention of build a figure? The DC multiverse stuff had it

[Despondor]

Frankly, I'd prefer more accessories rather than a build-a-figure piece. I've never really liked the whole concept behind "build-a-figure." It's kind of like the retail version of the subscription model: "Buy all these figures or you won't get this one." I prefer to pick and choose which figures I get; I've never really been a completist. (I collect too many different lines as it is; I'd need a warehouse for all my stuff if I were a completist.)

[Webstor's Ghost]

no, just that they are smaller size figures and we didn't have a small male buck in classics and toys reusing bodies hence the reverse of using DCUC bucks in MOTUC.

Does Lizard Man's buck count as a smaller male buck? Or is this not worth discussing because we're "half-joking" around about the multiple scale potential of this upcoming Multiverse line?

, drawing stuff out like this just makes it less goofy and fun.

Makes what "less goofy/fun" exactly?

These online conversations?

I'm getting more & more lost on the "jokey" aspect of this conversation the more I read your posts

Giant muscle Bow doesn't work super well

By what measure?

I assume you're using the new She-Ra cartoon as a reference point for this 3 decade old character?

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I think you (and others) are spot on. With an umbrella line like this Mattel is free to draw from multiple sources without having to constantly rebrand. This does sound exactly like what they did with DC Multiverse from 2016 until last year when they lost the DC license. The DC Multiverse line presented figures from the DCEU films, new comic based figures, classic figures that fit in with DCUC (and its related lines), and even previous smaller lines like the Dark Knight Returns. Revelations is the first significant piece of MOTU media since the 200x cartoon, so it absolutely makes sense that they would want to capitalize on it. By putting it in this line they don't have to be tied down if it isn't as successful as they want it to be nor do they have to rebrand product or reacquire retailer space to change the line. They could easily slip in Filmation/ Club Grayskull, comic based, and MOTUC figures in. They already have those base bodies, too, so it seems a smart bet that we'll see figures using them again. Hasbro uses the same tactic with Marvel Legends and Star Wars: The Black Series and McFarlane Toys with DC Multiverse now as well: An umbrella line that offers up figures from different eras/ media/ etc. It seems like a better idea for today's retailers and markets who are reluctant to carry short-lived lines.

Your more articulated way of expressing this is sincerely appreciated. I think it's a win/win/win going this direction.

That said: I would love if the MOTU/He-Man brand exceeds expectations in 2021... I mean, it's a real "make or break" time for the franchise, and will determine the level we as fans will benefit from onward....

...if it's lackluster, some of us might not enjoy seeing a decent resurgence til we are at the age to have our granchildren playing with the dang toys!

[Grayskull Guardsman]

Not a big fan of Origins figures, but the packaging is out of this world. I hope they adjust the packaging they showed, it's so bland in comparison.

And yes, I hope the extra articulation doesn't make figures look ugly. Not a fan of double jointed knees and elbows. (I mean I only have a single elbow and knee joint! )

And please, NO BUTTERFLY SHOULDERS. Those are always so ugly.