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    Quote Originally Posted by wayne-klops View Post
    I watched Masters of the Universe: Revelation on Tuesday evening from start to finish. Everyone involved with the creation of this series should be immensely proud of the masterpiece they created!
    Well stated, wayne!

    I completely agree with you on this... the show, considering it's pedigree, is akin to a masterpiece.

    Is this going to be everyone's cup-of-tea? Of course not.

    But, it's a sign of a good show when so many people crawl out of the woodwork to continually pick apart every aspect of the series. Seriously, most "awful" shows are left to wallow in the ether... whereas Revelation continues to stay in people's minds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ornclown View Post
    I completely agree with you on this... the show, considering it's pedigree, is akin to a masterpiece.
    Yep.

    No past iteration of MOTU comes even close to Revelation in terms of scope, ambition and execution. It told a cohesive story over ten episodes, using music and visuals unprecedented for the franchise, but all of a sudden everyone is treating a bunch of old low-budget glorified toy commercials like they were Tolkien. Jesus.

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    Is there any precedence for the motherboard bird/lady? How does that fit in with what we know about the horde? So many questions that I hope season two will answer! I feel justified in thinking the mobo theme is the most intriguing in the show. Bear nailed it.
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    It's kind of funny how nowadays, we state "Well it wasn't perfect, I had issues with this and that, but mostly I liked it".
    In the old days, we would have just said: "I liked it!"

    Nothing is perfect, I feel that's a given? Many of our old classics aren't. We all have issues with some of the stuff we love, but that's because the writer is not the exact same person we are with the exact same preferences and decisions we would make. They are not a clone of us, after all :-)

    I had a hell of a ride watching the second half. I loved the experience a lot! Taken as a whole thing, with the first part, it was so much fun and I loved it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mach5 View Post
    Yep.

    No past iteration of MOTU comes even close to Revelation in terms of scope, ambition and execution. It told a cohesive story over ten episodes, using music and visuals unprecedented for the franchise, but all of a sudden everyone is treating a bunch of old low-budget glorified toy commercials like they were Tolkien. Jesus.
    YESSSSSSSS!!!!!

    And some of the monologues just blew me absolutely away. The nature and sophistication of it. And I got to tell ya, I wasn't completely sold on Mark Hamill as Skeletor... but then I bore witness to the opening episodes of Part 2 with Mark's Skelegod and....wow! What lines, and what a delivery! Bravo Mark!

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    Quote Originally Posted by benvoliothefirst View Post
    Is there any precedence for the motherboard bird/lady? How does that fit in with what we know about the horde? So many questions that I hope season two will answer! I feel justified in thinking the mobo theme is the most intriguing in the show. Bear nailed it.
    Answers I need to know too!!!

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    I don't know if i would classify it as a masterpiece. But it isn't the abomination that the critics make it out to be. Its definitely the most ambitious He-man show. I think a lot of people just want same thing that came before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GranamyrGreen View Post
    I don't know if i would classify it as a masterpiece. But it isn't the abomination that the critics make it out to be. Its definitely the most ambitious He-man show. I think a lot of people just want same thing that came before.
    I agree with not going so far to classifying Revelation as a masterpiece, but Mach5 really nailed it for me when he said no past iteration of MOTU comes even close to Revelation in terms of scope, ambition and execution and basically treating the IP like it was Tolkien. Just think of the introduction of elements like the ram, the serpent and the falcon and what it could represent. So they really shot for the stars here and elevated material originated simply to sell toys with such a level of gravitas... and I'm grateful for it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ornclown View Post
    I hope Kevin knows that nobody was unhappy about a new MOTU cartoon coming out in 2021... nobody.

    The "unhappiness" is all manufactured by social-media channels and has, unfortunately, gotten out of control. I see people on this very forum acting like this show has ruined their lives, yet cannot even give a solid reason as to why... all manufactured hate.

    Of course Revelation is not going to be for everyone... but, seriously, attacking the showrunner, the writers, the characters designers... that is ridiculous. Just because this isn't the show that you wanted doesn't mean it's not the show everyone else wanted.
    People were upset during SDCC 2019 when this was announced that Kevin Smith was involved and that it was anime styled.

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    People whined about MYP/200X being "anime-style" too and now 20 years later it's apparently the best MOTU thing ever according to consensus.

    Most people thought New Adventures was "garbage" when it came out and now it's got tons of outspoken fans.

    Things have a way of coming around. Which doesn't make all the caterwauling any more bearable in the meantime. But it still wouldn't shock me to see a bunch of people's opinions on this show soften over the next decade-plus. We'll see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rikki Roxx View Post
    People whined about MYP/200X being "anime-style" too and now 20 years later it's apparently the best MOTU thing ever according to consensus.

    Most people thought New Adventures was "garbage" when it came out and now it's got tons of outspoken fans.

    Things have a way of coming around. Which doesn't make all the caterwauling any more bearable in the meantime. But it still wouldn't shock me to see a bunch of people's opinions on this show soften over the next decade-plus. We'll see.
    Frankly i thought was a lot better the 2002 show. I only watched all 39 episodes of 2002 show a few years ago, but it bored me to death. It was the 80s show, But less fun. I was a lot more engaged watching this show. I think it did a far better job giving these characters depth and complexity than the 2002 show did. I remember when Evil Lyn got betray by Skeletor in the 200X Show and she eventually just went back to him. That was the most frustrating part of watching that show, was that scene. At least in this show she realizes she dont need skeletor to validate her existence and she not really as bad a person as she thinks. Sorry but that a lot better arc for Evil Lyn than what we got in the 200X Show.

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    I liked that a few characters like Teela and Evil-Lyn and Orko got a lot more depth than we generally get to see. That was all really good.

    However, that's offset by how many characters are there only to show up and die/get thrown offscreen and never seen again. That was unfortunate.

    BUT, the episodes are very short (too short) and you can't have everything, so I get it. It's just pretty wildly imbalanced in spots and some rather popular characters on both the Good and Evil sides are reduced to screen filler/cannon fodder. Still, at least they got them in there I guess.

    I feel like if they had even just five more episodes it all would have turned out even better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rikki Roxx View Post
    I feel like if they had even just five more episodes it all would have turned out even better.
    This. For example, instead of having Hulk-Man rampage through Randor's camp and Randor coming out as if he was always knew this monster was Adam, imagine an entire episode used for this scene. Hulk-Adam runs into a group of refugees escorted by Randor's troops while they're going to the fort. He thrashes some guards as the others quickly return to camp and inform Randor that a giant is coming their way. Randor commands his forces to take on this 'monster' in order to protect incoming refugees. As the army attacks Hulk-Adam, Teela and Andra arrive at the camp and inform Randor that the monster he has sent his troops to kill is actually his resurrected son. Randor does not believe this, so this is a good chance for Teela to explain, maybe even tell him why she thinks Adam is acting the way he does. Randor is afraid of confronting Adam believing he is a disappointment (to Adam), so Teela has to let him know that just like she forgave Duncan, Adam will also forgive Randor. Randor arrives at the battle and gives the speech he gave in the actual show.

    If the show had more time and did the scene like this, it would feel more natural and more powerful narratively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GranamyrGreen View Post
    Frankly i thought was a lot better the 2002 show. I only watched all 39 episodes of 2002 show a few years ago, but it bored me to death. It was the 80s show, But less fun. I was a lot more engaged watching this show. I think it did a far better job giving these characters depth and complexity than the 2002 show did.
    Definitely agree there!
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    Quote Originally Posted by benvoliothefirst View Post
    Is there any precedence for the motherboard bird/lady? How does that fit in with what we know about the horde? So many questions that I hope season two will answer! I feel justified in thinking the mobo theme is the most intriguing in the show. Bear nailed it.
    I am not familiar with any, but, with her color scheme, she reminds me of the Dream Mistress (who was really Hordak in disguise) and also the female AI Light Hope from Netflix's She-Ra, though neither had a bird theme. For the wings and all, she obviously resembles 200x Sorceress and possibly the Enchantress from Filmation, but I can't imagine any Horde connections there and they were magical, not technological. Maybe Smith was just thinking "what's the sorcerss form of Screeech" and went from there?
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    I do love the way she forms into her humanoid embodiment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voodoo Magic View Post
    I do love the way she forms into her humanoid embodiment.

    https://i.ibb.co/fpLzm71/IMG-20211128-082452.jpg
    Strong Ghost in the Shell vibes in that scene.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mach5 View Post
    Strong Ghost in the Shell vibes in that scene.
    We had enough "Portal"-type magic being slung around that I'll gladly take some GlaDOS influence as well!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikolaidas View Post
    This. For example, instead of having Hulk-Man rampage through Randor's camp and Randor coming out as if he was always knew this monster was Adam, imagine an entire episode used for this scene. Hulk-Adam runs into a group of refugees escorted by Randor's troops while they're going to the fort. He thrashes some guards as the others quickly return to camp and inform Randor that a giant is coming their way. Randor commands his forces to take on this 'monster' in order to protect incoming refugees. As the army attacks Hulk-Adam, Teela and Andra arrive at the camp and inform Randor that the monster he has sent his troops to kill is actually his resurrected son. Randor does not believe this, so this is a good chance for Teela to explain, maybe even tell him why she thinks Adam is acting the way he does. Randor is afraid of confronting Adam believing he is a disappointment (to Adam), so Teela has to let him know that just like she forgave Duncan, Adam will also forgive Randor. Randor arrives at the battle and gives the speech he gave in the actual show.

    If the show had more time and did the scene like this, it would feel more natural and more powerful narratively.
    I might be in the minority, but I’m glad for it skipping traditional story beats like these. It can be important sometimes, but time spent catching characters up to speed on what the viewer already knows often feels like filler to me.

    I also really liked the way it was done here. His reappearance shows how much Randor has changed since last we saw him. Used to be he couldn’t tell his own son standing right in front of him, but given all this time to reconcile what he knew of He-Man with what he knew of Adam, and examining his own approach as a father, we can put together he has already done the hard emotional groundwork towards changing, and much of his speech is already fully formed in his mind. From whatever they saw over the skies of Grayskull, it was enough to warrant the evacuation of the capitol, to assemble their forces and make them suspect Skeletor had returned. Realizing that He-Man could also have returned is a fair conclusion to draw, and watching the few moments he takes to recognize the situation on his own without needing it all spelled out for him elevates the character.

    Now not only does he see his son clearly, but he sees the pain which he himself has caused to his child and he is ready to do anything to fix it. I think he trusted Adam enough that they both would be okay, though he does say later that even if it was a trick by Skeletor he still would have risked all to be able to say those things to Adam.

    That was the part I remembered from watching as a kid, that Randor cared for his son but always wished he was more like He-Man. Feeling that if he ever learned the truth then he could finally see his son for who he really is and they could truly understand each other. That was the catharsis to the relationship I wanted to see, that hug and that speech and those tears, and I don’t think it would have been any more impactful for me if they dragged it out for another 22 minutes beforehand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pundar View Post
    I might be in the minority, but Iím glad for it skipping traditional story beats like these. It can be important sometimes, but time spent catching characters up to speed on what the viewer already knows often feels like filler to me.

    I also really liked the way it was done here. His reappearance shows how much Randor has changed since last we saw him. Used to be he couldnít tell his own son standing right in front of him, but given all this time to reconcile what he knew of He-Man with what he knew of Adam, and examining his own approach as a father, we can put together he has already done the hard emotional groundwork towards changing, and much of his speech is already fully formed in his mind. From whatever they saw over the skies of Grayskull, it was enough to warrant the evacuation of the capitol, to assemble their forces and make them suspect Skeletor had returned. Realizing that He-Man could also have returned is a fair conclusion to draw, and watching the few moments he takes to recognize the situation on his own without needing it all spelled out for him elevates the character.

    Now not only does he see his son clearly, but he sees the pain which he himself has caused to his child and he is ready to do anything to fix it. I think he trusted Adam enough that they both would be okay, though he does say later that even if it was a trick by Skeletor he still would have risked all to be able to say those things to Adam.

    That was the part I remembered from watching as a kid, that Randor cared for his son but always wished he was more like He-Man. Feeling that if he ever learned the truth then he could finally see his son for who he really is and they could truly understand each other. That was the catharsis to the relationship I wanted to see, that hug and that speech and those tears, and I donít think it would have been any more impactful for me if they dragged it out for another 22 minutes beforehand.
    Very interesting! Sometimes it is nice to get to the point. Current storytelling is so focused on character developmentÖ sometimes Iím ok with it being a bit more scripted and lessÖ naturalistic. Punch that stuff up, is what this Part 2 did!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexApprobation View Post
    I had fun with the second half. It took a few episodes to get back into this iteration's groove, but eventually I got there.

    One of the best things that came from this second half for me was Duncan, Sorceress, and Teela were officially confirmed to be a biological family and that Duncan and Sorceress were deeply in love. No crazy clone stuff to be Skeletor's child bride from the mini comics, no hatching from an egg via Filmation, no possible/maybe Fisto as a father from 200X. Clean and simple.
    Yup. This was the best thing to come from it, tbh.

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    So, I have a question that is not meant as a criticism of Revelation--just something I don't quite get.

    If Duncan is Teela's real father, what was the point in keeping that from her? She states in episode one that she is an orphan. It can't be that he thought it would protect her somehow, or that it would make her ask questions about who her mother was--because she has already asked that. Telling her that she's adopted doesn't seem to change anything. What am I missing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dice View Post
    I would have to assume that if he was willing to admit he was her real father there's no way he could deny knowing who her mother was.
    A fair answer, but either way it requires lying. I mean, he could have told her that he's her father and some random chick was her mother who left them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King Daddy Bo-Hog View Post
    A fair answer, but either way it requires lying. I mean, he could have told her that he's her father and some random chick was her mother who left them.
    It wasn't clear if that was a mistake or if there was more to tell. If they followed the original minicomic origin, then she has no real biological father, while Duncan was there when she was created, and he imprinted on her from the start. He could have just said "our baby" in the Revelation flashback because he and Teela Na were in love and raising her together (up until then). Of course in the minicomic, Teela was created because her mother was already the Goddess/Sorceress, so I doubt that's exactly what Revelation would do. But essentially, I guess I mean to say Duncan could have been telling Teela the truth the whole time and the show just got tricky with us, though I don't know why.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pundar View Post
    I might be in the minority, but Iím glad for it skipping traditional story beats like these... and I donít think it would have been any more impactful for me if they dragged it out for another 22 minutes beforehand.
    This one gets it.
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    EVIL HORDE HYPU \o/

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