Origins: General News

[Bear]

That depends on what you value.
I'd say you're someone who values both PoP and/or Filmation.
But for someone who values neither of those things, but is far more interested in the MotU toyline and the concept characters that were intended for that toyline, Wrap Trap should take precedence over Perfuma.
For my part (and I am probably in a tiny minority), I do not consider Octavia or Dylamug PoP, and thry were not developed by Filmation, they are conceptually MotU, originally intended for that toyline just unproduced. They're the same class of character as Wrap Trap and Brain, and are a part of the MotU toylines history. And so those guys, they're the ones that I want to see Origins toys of.
I'm not gonna say Catra, Scorpia and Imp should NEVER be made, but I'm just gonna say I'm not buying thrm, so I'd be more than happy to see them get kicked down the road so we can hurry up and get to mummy men and spinny face robots.
And not just Horde, there's so many cool concepts I'd rather see get precedence...that yeti with skis, the witch with the rocket broomstick, the mandible man, the tank head cyborg, the rhinoceros centaur....Glimmer and Bow can't compare or compete

First of all, I was going generally with what I think would be a sensible decision to make overall not just for me. I'm pretty sure for example that Catra, Entrapta or Scorpia are a much higher priority for toys than The Brain. Wth Smitty.81 saying things like "Origins needs to" I thought we're discussing marketing decisions not personal preferences. If it was me we would be pumping vintage non-stop with break for He-Ro and Eldor.

I mean, yeah, Dylamug is a concept art but so is Acrobad and Colonel Blast and I don't think that Blast will be more wanted Catra or Shadow Weaver.

Some concept art stays concept art for a reason. It's as if Batman toyline released Bob Kane's design for Batman with red tights over Harley Quinn or Talon from Court of Owls.

Also I'm not surprised that most people count Octavia as part of Pop - this information is incredibly obscure. I don't think there is anywhere some specific list for all the unproduced toys - Gygor, He-Ro, Eldor, Star Sisters, Dylamug, Octavia, Strobo, Snake Troopers, Evil Robot, Fearless Photog, Gyrattacker etc. This is all really needs to be better catalogued.

So, on topic of old history stuff, would people want Strobo, Plasmar, Slamurai, Lord Gr'Asp, Snake Trooper and Terroroar in Origins? It's not like they would cost Mattel a lot.

I'd say only if they dont clog space. Say, after we release all vintage toys. Or maybe if next Wave has 3 vintages like Blade, Spikor and Moss Man, then Plasmar can take 4th spot usually reserved for some repaint since that's what he basically is.

[anytimepally]

So, on topic of old history stuff, would people want Strobo, Plasmar, Slamurai, Lord Gr'Asp, Snake Trooper and Terroroar in Origins? It's not like they would cost Mattel a lot.

Big Yeses on Strobo and Plasmar. The others I could take or leave.

(If they do Plasmar, I hope they fix the single sideburn issue with the Fisto head sculpt.)

[Durendal]

So, on topic of old history stuff, would people want Strobo, Plasmar, Slamurai, Lord Gr'Asp, Snake Trooper and Terroroar in Origins? It's not like they would cost Mattel a lot.

Of course - why wouldn't someone want these guys?

[Bear]

Of course - why wouldn't someone want these guys?

Because they find them cheap and uninteresting or because they find tons of other toys (POP, New Adventures, Filmation characters, minicomic, etc) to be a higher priority?

[Smitty.81]

So, on topic of old history stuff, would people want Strobo, Plasmar, Slamurai, Lord Gr'Asp, Snake Trooper and Terroroar in Origins? It's not like they would cost Mattel a lot.

I'll take what ever Mattel makes if I like the look of the character or I have some attachment to said character. I'll leave behind what ever I don't like like Ninjor and Orko.

[Dice]

Because they find them cheap and uninteresting or because they find tons of other toys (POP, New Adventures, Filmation characters, minicomic, etc) to be a higher priority?

I would usually have no interest in these guys. However, if I could pick them up at retail price AND actually find them in the stores I'd buy them. I like the origins line enough that even new characters interest me.

That being said I've had to pay more than double retail on most of my collection. Even people nice enough to sell at a great price have to pay shipping. I was thrilled when the first figures showed up at a Target near me since the original line. Now 5 months later, those same figures are sitting there with nothing new.

[Smitty.81]

So, on topic of old history stuff, would people want Strobo, Plasmar, Slamurai, Lord Gr'Asp, Snake Trooper and Terroroar in Origins? It's not like they would cost Mattel a lot.

One thing I will say about this line up is the Snake Trooper would need a retooled chest to get rid of the Horde logo.

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[Durendal]

Because they find them cheap and uninteresting or because they find tons of other toys (POP, New Adventures, Filmation characters, minicomic, etc) to be a higher priority?

Fair point due to their being 100% parts re-use, but then again so are very popular guys like Moss Man and Stinkor. Anyways, Origins should embrace the robust amount of non vintage characters that they can pull from (which includes these guys, who turned out great in Classics though they are now utterly unaffordable), and I'm relieved to see that that's the direction they're going in.

[anytimepally]

One thing I will say about this line up is the Snake Trooper would need a retooled chest to get rid of the Horde logo.

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Why? The original art and the Classics version both have the Horde logo.

[Smitty.81]

Why? The original art and the Classics version both have the Horde logo.

Because the Snakemen are not part of the Evil Horde nor should they be.

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[Bear]

Because the Snakemen are not part of the Evil Horde nor should they be.

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Snakes are notorious cheapskates. They didn't bother with new molds.

[MCX-Eternia]

Because the Snakemen are not part of the Evil Horde nor should they be.

The Horde Snake Troopers concept that eventually got released in Classics obviously are. I would not want them to waste money changing that just because you don't like it.

[Smitty.81]

The Horde Snake Troopers concept that eventually got released in Classics obviously are. I would not want them to waste money changing that just because you don't like it.

It's not just I don't like it. It's that it doesn't make sense, story wise, to have the Snakemen and Evil Horde work so closely together.

These are 2 factions with major superiority complexes and a hatred for everyone else.

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[Bear]

Classics aren't the final word on everything. Their Plasmar used Laser-Lot's armor instead of He-Ro's.

I'd say that Lost Wave figures shouldn't use any new parts for authenticity's sake, though I think Slamurai and Plasmar have slightly new tops (different logos that Ninjor and He-Ro) Strobo also used Sy-Klone's belt that didn't made it into Classics. Hard to say since our only source on those unproduced those are single uncolored illustrations.

From what I can tell, they were never finished as concepts, right? Despite that Strobo was in the comic, no one knows what were the color schemes or names or any attributes of the other five and Classics had to improvise?

Honestly, I'm mixed on those guys. I definitely don't value them as much as actually released toys. I know parts reuse is MOTU's bread and butter but there is usually more finesse to it than "Ninjor but good" or "Troopers but snakes". Terroar is especially clunky, easily the worst of the bunch.

[MCX-Eternia]

It's not just I don't like it. It's that it doesn't make sense, story wise, to have the Snakemen and Evil Horde work so closely together.

King Hiss' mini-comic and newspaper strip origin stories both show Tung Lashor and Rattlor pulled from the Evil Horde.
The first tale Songster sang in the Power Tour mentions that "the Snake Men lacked only one thing, a leader to lead them. Then one day he came... Hordak!"

These are 2 factions with major superiority complexes and a hatred for everyone else.

I have no idea where you're getting the Horde's "hatred for everyone else." They've got more diversity and inclusion than the good guys:
Whatever Hordak is, Imp's species if they're not the same, humans, Mantenna aliens, an Eternian sasquatch, Leech, Snake Men, mosquito aliens, scorpion people, octopus women...

[Bear]

King Hiss' mini-comic and newspaper strip origin stories both show Tung Lashor and Rattlor pulled from the Evil Horde.
The first tale Songster sang in the Power Tour mentions that "the Snake Men lacked only one thing, a leader to lead them. Then one day he came... Hordak!"

Specifically, minicomic mentioned that Rattlor and Lashor joined Horde because they had nowhere to go after Hiss got stuck in a timeless void. Which begs the question - are Rattlor and Tung Lashor ageless??? I have this headcanon that Hordak holds some kind of a secret to eternal life he shares with his minions (based on Classics showing Hordak's minions like Grizzlor or Mantenna in Preternia and Revelation comics having Hordak have some kind of power over life and death)

ALSO: there was supposedly a leak for upcoming toys

Upcoming waves: Digitino and MC Trap Jaw are getting delayed.

Future Wave (11?): Bolt Man, Kobra Khan, Rattlor, Snake Armor He-Man.

Future Deluxe Wave (5?): King Hiss, Thunder Punch He-Man.

[Dylamug]

I have no idea where you're getting the Horde's "hatred for everyone else." .

The original Horde commercial CLEARLY STATES that "The Evil Horde has no friends"

[Durendal]

Classics aren't the final word on everything. Their Plasmar used Laser-Lot's armor instead of He-Ro's.

I'd say that Lost Wave figures shouldn't use any new parts for authenticity's sake, though I think Slamurai and Plasmar have slightly new tops (different logos that Ninjor and He-Ro) Strobo also used Sy-Klone's belt that didn't made it into Classics. Hard to say since our only source on those unproduced those are single uncolored illustrations.

From what I can tell, they were never finished as concepts, right? Despite that Strobo was in the comic, no one knows what were the color schemes or names or any attributes of the other five and Classics had to improvise?

Honestly, I'm mixed on those guys. I definitely don't value them as much as actually released toys. I know parts reuse is MOTU's bread and butter but there is usually more finesse to it than "Ninjor but good" or "Troopers but snakes". Terroar is especially clunky, easily the worst of the bunch.

I remember someone at Mattel explaining why they used Sir-Laser-Lot's armour instead of He-Ro's, but I can't remember the exact reason given - was it that they felt that a major character of He-Ro's stature should have armour that is unique to him, especially because of the symbol? I think it was something like that so it would be great if someone could confirm. I think that makes sense, but it's not a hill I'm willing to die on. If Plasmar gets released in Origins at some point I'd be ok if they decided to stay 100% true to the vintage artwork.

Here's something though - since those characters' colour schemes were never officially determined, they could run wild with it and pick any scheme that they want, even if they were to be drastically different than the colours chosen for the Classics versions. I think I'd actually be ok with such experimentation. What about you guys? Or should they stick with the choices established in Classics? It could create confusion otherwise.

[Bear]

I remember someone at Mattel explaining why they used Sir-Laser-Lot's armour instead of He-Ro's, but I can't remember the exact reason given - was it that they felt that a major character of He-Ro's stature should have armour that is unique to him, especially because of the symbol? I think it was something like that so it would be great if someone could confirm. I think that makes sense, but it's not a hill I'm willing to die on. If Plasmar gets released in Origins at some point I'd be ok if they decided to stay 100% true to the vintage artwork.

Here's something though - since those characters' colour schemes were never officially determined, they could run wild with it and pick any scheme that they want, even if they were to be drastically different than the colours chosen for the Classics versions. I think I'd actually be ok with such experimentation. What about you guys? Or should they stick with the choices established in Classics? It could create confusion otherwise.

I mean, technically, they can even use different names and backstories. There are definitely some fans who see Classics as fanfiction and would happily leave it behind.

But IDK, I don't really see the need to reinvent them again.

[d0od]

ALSO: there was supposedly a leak for upcoming toys

Upcoming waves: Digitino and MC Trap Jaw are getting delayed.

Future Wave (11?): Bolt Man, Kobra Khan, Rattlor, Snake Armor He-Man.

Future Deluxe Wave (5?): King Hiss, Thunder Punch He-Man.

Snake men! Yessssss!

No clue who Bolt Man was/is until I googled it. I'm generally okay about RoS characters in MoTU but I'd rather they were in addition to vintage stuff rather than in place of — at least until my poor guy Sy-Klone gets his turn in the spotlight anyway!

[Dylamug]

ALSO: there was supposedly a leak for upcoming toys

Upcoming waves: Digitino and MC Trap Jaw are getting delayed.

Future Wave (11?): Bolt Man, Kobra Khan, Rattlor, Snake Armor He-Man.

Future Deluxe Wave (5?): King Hiss, Thunder Punch He-Man.

Got a source? because this all sounds fake.
Why would MC Trap Jaw get pushed back again considering he was shown off way back in September? And for what? We've seen him, Randor, Whiplash and Grizzlor, so that's a complete wave there...we haven't seen anything else other than Sun Man guys. (Who will presumably be in the 3 pack)

There's no way I'm buying thst Rattlor is not deluxe. Of all the snakemen, he's the least likely to be basic.

I also don't buy pairing a deluxe He-Man with anything but a deluxe Skeletor. They've stuck true to vintage in that regard. Thunderpunch is more likely to come with Dragon Blaster Skeletor.

And I also can't see Snake Armor He-Man coming in such close proximity to 200x He-Man, not in a standard wave assortment anyway. They've been pretty good at sticking to 1 basic He-Man and 1 deluxe He-Man a year for standard retail release (though if he's an pack in store exclusive or something like Battlefield Warrior He-Man, its more believable)

So yeah, back to my first point, what's the source?

[Bear]

Got a source? because this all sounds fake.
Why would MC Trap Jaw get pushed back again considering he was shown off way back in September? And for what? We've seen him, Randor, Whiplash and Grizzlor, so that's a complete wave there...we haven't seen anything else other than Sun Man guys. (Who will presumably be in the 3 pack)

There's no way I'm buying thst Rattlor is not deluxe. Of all the snakemen, he's the least likely to be basic.

I also don't buy pairing a deluxe He-Man with anything but a deluxe Skeletor. They've stuck true to vintage in that regard. Thunderpunch is more likely to come with Dragon Blaster Skeletor.

And I also can't see Snake Armor He-Man coming in such close proximity to 200x He-Man, not in a standard wave assortment anyway. They've been pretty good at sticking to 1 basic He-Man and 1 deluxe He-Man a year for standard retail release (though if he's an pack in store exclusive or something like Battlefield Warrior He-Man, its more believable)

So yeah, back to my first point, what's the source?

Toy Habits.

I mean, people though Mantenna would have to be Deluxe and yet.(BTW only not I realized that Rattlor is the only Snake Man with a tail)

Maybe Mattel really got burned by MC Stratos sales so now they're putting off Trap Jaw, maybe they'll spruce him up (add bolts to helmet, more authentic cyborg arm) Admittedly, TJ wasn't showed off in any of those recent announcements so that's suspicious.

IDK, the only character character that could take his place would be Space Sumo if they all would get singlecarded release after all. I'd say that Bolt Man and probably later Holographo make sense, the line had 6 toys, why stop at 4? But of course that would mean that Origins would leave us with ROS toys for 6 Waves and on top that they have something else for 3-pack.

I'd admit, between Flying Fists, Anti-Eternia, 200X, Snake Armor, and Thunder Punch that would make way too make He-Men in way too short time. Also first action feature He-Man that's not Deluxe? I admit Snake Armor is probably the only 200X variant that anyone respects and the pincer isn't too hard to make but what's about the sword? Unless they would cheapen out and just give him regular non-projectile 200X sword like Classics did.

King Hiss as Deluxe totally makes sense though, they have to figure out how give him all articulation and swappable parts after all. You know what would make a cool accessory? Snake tail as legs. You could do any combo of snake-to-man ratio as you like. Full snake. Snake arm. Everything snake except human head. (Extra idea: They should release Snake Soldiers with Serpent's Ring, so you can put snake heads on your characters to pretend they were transformed)

[Dylamug]

Toy Habits.

Well, they've been right about upcoming figures before, so I'm willing to accept these guys are incoming, and I'm even willing to accept Rattlor is basic, but I'm gonna hold out my skepticism that these are all in one wave together. Toy Habits was wrong about wave 9 being Randor/Whiplash/Digitino, and this lot, if it's a single wave, contradicts what they previously said about KK/Rattlor/Tung Lashor being the first 3 Snakes. They seem to have a good source for getting the names of upcoming figures, but they're not credible for release order or specific wave assortment

[Smitty.81]

Specifically, minicomic mentioned that Rattlor and Lashor joined Horde because they had nowhere to go after Hiss got stuck in a timeless void. Which begs the question - are Rattlor and Tung Lashor ageless??? I have this headcanon that Hordak holds some kind of a secret to eternal life he shares with his minions (based on Classics showing Hordak's minions like Grizzlor or Mantenna in Preternia and Revelation comics having Hordak have some kind of power over life and death)

ALSO: there was supposedly a leak for upcoming toys

Upcoming waves: Digitino and MC Trap Jaw are getting delayed.

Future Wave (11?): Bolt Man, Kobra Khan, Rattlor, Snake Armor He-Man.

Future Deluxe Wave (5?): King Hiss, Thunder Punch He-Man.

With how poorly MC Stratos was received I can see why they would delay or even cancel and upcoming MC variants, but that does leave a gap in my prediction for wave 10. Wave 11 looks like it could have the most consistent line up of figures with two Snakemen, Snake Armor He-Man and then another hero for He-Man to have someone to talk to. I'm really excited to the Thunder Punch He-Man, but I'm surprised that he's not paired up with Dragon Blaster Skeletor, hopefully deluxe wave 6 will have him and Hurricane Hordak. Also I really want to see more POP characters, and if nothing else at least one deluxe She-Ra.

[Bear]

With how poorly MC Stratos was received I can see why they would delay or even cancel and upcoming MC variants, but that does leave a gap in my prediction for wave 10. Wave 11 looks like it could have the most consistent line up of figures with two Snakemen, Snake Armor He-Man and then another hero for He-Man to have someone to talk to. I'm really excited to the Thunder Punch He-Man, but I'm surprised that he's not paired up with Dragon Blaster Skeletor, hopefully deluxe wave 6 will have him and Hurricane Hordak. Also I really want to see more POP characters, and if nothing else at least one deluxe She-Ra.

If anything of all He-Man/Skeletor variants, Thunder and Dragon are probably the least connected. And definitely it would spice-up minicomic to have powered-up Skelly and Hordak duel/team-up instead.

The closest guess for Wave 10 would be Space Sumo. It would make some sense, if they're releasing all 6 ROS toys then they might want to make them all singlecarded. They said Digit is delayed. On the other hand of course, "delayed" vaguely sounds like cancelled and SS and Di are my top theories for 3-pack.

On the other, other hand, If wave 8-9 wave Sun Man toys and Wave 11 has Sun Man toys, it would stand to reason that Wave 10 will have them as well.

Of course one alternative theory is that Holographo will be in Wave 10, Bolt Man in 11, and Space Sumo and Digitino will be in 3-pack. It's a odd to split toyline like that but at least they wouldn't be occupying main line for 6 Waves.

tl,dr, could be Space Sumo or Holographo.