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    After watching the entire series, I have to say it was very average overall. It had too many problems and too many inconsistencies and too little positive experiences for me to enjoy thoroughly. I liked seeing original Stormtroopers back in action and old fashioned Star Destroyers. But I hated their stock dropping even lower in these series (their shooting gets even worse and Imperial officers not recognizing Tala killing within an impregnable base or recognizing a hobo in a long jacket hiding a 10-year old underneath). I despised that Darth Vader mystique as the supreme Sith and jedi killer takes another hit. He is beaten yet again by Obi-Wan in 1-on-1 battle nd the only people he dominates are townsfolks and underlings. I remember hearing about Vader hunting down and destroying jedis but I have only seen him kill younglings and slice of Mace Windu's hand while distracted. The only "jedi" I have seen him kill onscreen was Count Dooku.

    But I really hate the contradiction this series introduced by having Obi-Wan meet and form a lasting bond with Leia. This should not have occurred. Leia has no knowledge of Obi-Wan in Episode 4 and this series just messes that up completely. I know they did that before (R2-D2 not having his memory wiped and Obi-Wan not recognizing R2) but this was blatant. I could not overlook it and it tainted my experience. This was just a mediocre experience for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Durendal View Post
    It's Star Wars by numbers at this point. They'll milk that cow in every way possible, and they know the massive fan base will eat it up despite complaining the whole way.

    It has no soul anymore.
    In all honesty the Star Wars brand is a detriment in 2022 and has been for years (and I would argue was one even before the Disney bought the brand). Let's leave the backlash to the prequels and sequels and weather the fanbase is toxic or not to one side for moment and look at the real heart of the problem.

    Star Wars is a victim of it's own influence and as a result the things that originally made it special aren't special any more. I believe it's called the Senifeld effect.

    So what so you do with it? Try to change it up and you lose what makes Star Wars, Star Wars. Keep things Star Wars and you have a painfully generic story by modern standards.

    While it it might be overdramatic to say there was a moments for Star Wars died for me. Given how I'm more of a casual enjoyer of it than a fan. There is a moment that cemented me as merely a casual enjoyer and someone who really isn't a big fan. That's a couple of years ago when I went to re watch A New Hope and I couldn't finish it, I was just bored by it.

    Not to say there hasn't been Star Wars content, I've enjoyed since then (I still really like Ninth Jedi), but I will always be someone who merely likes Star Wars, rather than be a fan of Star Wars. And to be blunt, I don't think it's truly as special or timeless as some of it's fans think.

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    Have to say I really dug the finale of Obi-Wan. It wasn't perfect but I was satisfied by the final fight and there were some "tug on the heart string" moments that worked fairly well. Really cool cameo at the end I'm glad to see they pulled it off.

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    Loved the show, especially the last two episodes. I feel very strongly that people that didn’t like it just hated that the story upended their head canon. But I think it was done right here. I loved the things that challenged my preconceptions. It also retrospectively made the prequels more digestible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Battle_Brak View Post
    Loved the show, especially the last two episodes. I feel very strongly that people that didn’t like it just hated that the story upended their head canon. But I think it was done right here. I loved the things that challenged my preconceptions. It also retrospectively made the prequels more digestible.
    A storyline that's been established and supported by various forms of media for 40+ years isn't "head canon."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonehead View Post
    A storyline that's been established and supported by various forms of media for 40+ years isn't "head canon."
    Disney and their writers scrapped most of all the established storylines.

    I dislike the predictible standard excuse of "it wasn't the story you came up with" to try and dismiss valid criticisms of bad writing.

    Although I will say overall I did enjoy the Obi-Wan series.

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    Interesting fact, even though James earl jones is credited as the voice of darth Vader he didn’t record any new lines. All vaders speech was created using an ai computer programme to perfectly recreate his voice. And he still took home a pay check

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonehead View Post
    A storyline that's been established and supported by various forms of media for 40+ years isn't "head canon."
    Except none of the stuff people have complained about were ever established in official canon sources. People assumed Vader and Obi-wan never met between three and four. People assumed Leia didn’t personally know Obi-wan despite the fact that he’s the one person she reached out to when she needed help in the original film. But there was no solid reason to make either of those assumptions. Nothing that came before contradicted these story decisions. They just weren’t directions fans expected. And nothing here rises to the level of any of the blatant canon breaking decisions George made with the prequels, or even dumb **** that wasn’t necessarily canon breaking but just odd (Yoda knows Chewbacca! Why?)

    Unless you are hung up on the EU continuity which we’ve known since the Disney buyout was thrown out the window. So established lore from Legends novels are essentially head canon now. Since even the old EU had different letter grades to rank how legit it was with only “A canon” ie the movies and clone wars being considered incontrovertible.

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    I dislike the predictible standard excuse of "it wasn't the story you came up with" to try and dismiss valid criticisms of bad writing.
    Haven’t witnessed that. Just the flips side. People thinking that a story doing things they disagree with equals bad writing. Just because a story that’s told doesn’t go the way you’d imagined it doesn’t make it bad storytelling. And the rampant misuse of the term plothole is also a pet peeve. A plot hole is a very specific in issue with the framework of the story. It’s not “something I personally felt was stupid happened” or a minor continuity error, or even things that are genuine stupid and don’t make logical sense. Like in GI Joe the ice in the cobra base sinking defies the laws of physics and is really stupid but it’s not a plothole. In this show how the Grand Inquisitor survived is unexplained but it’s not a plothole because it does not undercut the internal logic of the story. Especially considering this is a universe where characters survive stabbings, amputations, and outright getting cut in half with regularity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Battle_Brak View Post
    People assumed Leia didn’t personally know Obi-wan despite the fact that he’s the one person she reached out to when she needed help in the original film.
    It was not her idea to reach out to Obi-Wan Kenobi in Episode 4. She was given the mission to bring Obi-Wan to Alderaan by her father, Bail Organa. Her message made no mention of her knowing Obi-Wan simply describing him as a general serving her father during the Clone Wars. Her tone had no notion of familiarity between her and Obi-Wan. She was simply delivering a message to a stranger she had no prior knowledge of their existence.
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    I enjoyed the series overall. I'm kinda nit-picky when it comes to timelines so I was hoping for Ben to have a scene toward the end flashing forward a few years showing him looking more aged because wow does he age A LOT between this series and A New Hope, which is just 9 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benedict Judas Hel View Post
    It was not her idea to reach out to Obi-Wan Kenobi in Episode 4. She was given the mission to bring Obi-Wan to Alderaan by her father, Bail Organa. Her message made no mention of her knowing Obi-Wan simply describing him as a general serving her father during the Clone Wars. Her tone had no notion of familiarity between her and Obi-Wan. She was simply delivering a message to a stranger she had no prior knowledge of their existence.
    That’s an assumption. There’s nothing in her message to indicate a lack of familiarity with him. You filled in those blanks with how you envisioned those events to happen. She clearly knows of him and is excited when Luke tells her he’s with Ben Kenobi which could just as easily be viewed as evidence she did know him. The idea that she didn’t know him is based on nothing but speculation and discarded EU lore. Just because a story beat is unexpected doesn’t mean it’s contradictory.

    By the very same logic Darth Vader being Luke Skywalker’s father breaks canon because nothing in the original movie indicates he knows Luke or anything about him. In fact it wasn’t even a storyline conceived until mid way through writing ESB. So it, a key point in the saga, was a total retcon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Battle_Brak View Post
    Haven’t witnessed that. Just the flips side. People thinking that a story doing things they disagree with equals bad writing. Just because a story that’s told doesn’t go the way you’d imagined it doesn’t make it bad storytelling. And the rampant misuse of the term plothole is also a pet peeve. A plot hole is a very specific in issue with the framework of the story. It’s not “something I personally felt was stupid happened” or a minor continuity error, or even things that are genuine stupid and don’t make logical sense. Like in GI Joe the ice in the cobra base sinking defies the laws of physics and is really stupid but it’s not a plothole. In this show how the Grand Inquisitor survived is unexplained but it’s not a plothole because it does not undercut the internal logic of the story. Especially considering this is a universe where characters survive stabbings, amputations, and outright getting cut in half with regularity.
    I have seen that excuse used a lot to defend a lot of very valid criticisms of movies and TV shows. When they know you are right and can't prove it wrong it's either the "different than your story" excuse or name calling because you disagree.
    I do agree with you about plotholes being an issues that affects the overall story.
    Even without the ice scene those G.I. Joe movies are awful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Battle_Brak View Post
    Except none of the stuff people have complained about were ever established in official canon sources. People assumed Vader and Obi-wan never met between three and four. People assumed Leia didn’t personally know Obi-wan despite the fact that he’s the one person she reached out to when she needed help in the original film. But there was no solid reason to make either of those assumptions. Nothing that came before contradicted these story decisions. They just weren’t directions fans expected. And nothing here rises to the level of any of the blatant canon breaking decisions George made with the prequels, or even dumb **** that wasn’t necessarily canon breaking but just odd (Yoda knows Chewbacca! Why?)

    Unless you are hung up on the EU continuity which we’ve known since the Disney buyout was thrown out the window. So established lore from Legends novels are essentially head canon now. Since even the old EU had different letter grades to rank how legit it was with only “A canon” ie the movies and clone wars being considered incontrovertible.

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    Haven’t witnessed that. Just the flips side. People thinking that a story doing things they disagree with equals bad writing. Just because a story that’s told doesn’t go the way you’d imagined it doesn’t make it bad storytelling. And the rampant misuse of the term plothole is also a pet peeve. A plot hole is a very specific in issue with the framework of the story. It’s not “something I personally felt was stupid happened” or a minor continuity error, or even things that are genuine stupid and don’t make logical sense. Like in GI Joe the ice in the cobra base sinking defies the laws of physics and is really stupid but it’s not a plothole. In this show how the Grand Inquisitor survived is unexplained but it’s not a plothole because it does not undercut the internal logic of the story. Especially considering this is a universe where characters survive stabbings, amputations, and outright getting cut in half with regularity.
    Quote Originally Posted by Battle_Brak View Post
    That’s an assumption. There’s nothing in her message to indicate a lack of familiarity with him. You filled in those blanks with how you envisioned those events to happen. She clearly knows of him and is excited when Luke tells her he’s with Ben Kenobi which could just as easily be viewed as evidence she did know him. The idea that she didn’t know him is based on nothing but speculation and discarded EU lore. Just because a story beat is unexpected doesn’t mean it’s contradictory.

    By the very same logic Darth Vader being Luke Skywalker’s father breaks canon because nothing in the original movie indicates he knows Luke or anything about him. In fact it wasn’t even a storyline conceived until mid way through writing ESB. So it, a key point in the saga, was a total retcon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Battle_Brak View Post
    That’s an assumption. There’s nothing in her message to indicate a lack of familiarity with him.
    There's quite a bit that indicates no familiarity with Obi-Wan. The defining qualities of Obi-Wan within the message that Leia uses are: 1) He's a general and 2) He served her father during the Clone Wars. Nothing else. There was no "you helped me during my kidnapping as a child" or "as a good friend I need you're help". She was referring to him as a venerated friend of her father, not of hers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Battle_Brak View Post
    You filled in those blanks with how you envisioned those events to happen.
    So prior to viewing the Obi-Wan series, you believed Leia knew Obi-Wan previously based solely on their interactions in A New Hope?

    Quote Originally Posted by Battle_Brak View Post
    She clearly knows of him and is excited when Luke tells her he’s with Ben Kenobi which could just as easily be viewed as evidence she did know him.
    You filled in those blanks with how you envisioned those events to happen. Of course, she is excited that Luke tells her he's with Ben AND her R2 unit. Her sole mission was to bring Obi-Wan and R2-D2 (with the Death Star plan within him) to Alderaan so that a weakness could be found. She is excited that she can still complete her mission albeit taking both Obi-Wan and R2 to the Rebel base on Yavin instead of Alderaan (since it has been destroyed). Her excitement had nothing to do with an imaginary previous relationship. That's an assumption on your part based retroactively on this Obi-Wan series.

    Quote Originally Posted by Battle_Brak View Post
    The idea that she didn’t know him is based on nothing but speculation and discarded EU lore.
    I don't know about EU lore since I never partook in any of that material but the idea she never knew Obi-Wan is based very heavily on the Original Trilogy.

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    Just because a story beat is unexpected doesn’t mean it’s contradictory. By the very same logic Darth Vader being Luke Skywalker’s father breaks canon because nothing in the original movie indicates he knows Luke or anything about him.
    But that is correct. He doesn't know Luke. He doesn't know Luke is his son because he was hidden from him shortly after he was born (along with Leia). It's only after he begins Force training and the destruction of the Death Star (when Vader learns his name), that Vader realizes he is the "son of Skywalker". It doesn't break OT canon at all so I'm not sure what you're point in that comparison was?

    Quote Originally Posted by Battle_Brak View Post
    In fact it wasn’t even a storyline conceived until mid way through writing ESB. So it, a key point in the saga, was a total retcon.
    The scripts were still being written during the 70's and from what I've read online, the earliest concept of Vader possibly being Luke's father was during 1975-76, 1-2 years before A new Hope was released and 4-5 years before Empire Strikes Back. How can something break canon even before the film is released? Personally, I am just going off of the films (A New Hope, Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi) for the basis of my arguments (what happen strictly within the films. Case in point, when the Millenium Falcon is escaping the Death Star in A New Hope, Luke Skywalker is rather despondent about his demise. Leia doesn't seem to be moved at all even though she supposedly had this previous relationship with Obi-Wan. She offered no words of sympathy or shared any story like "he was a dear friend to me as well" or "he was a great man who rescued me as a child". But no, there was nothing but silence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benedict Judas Hel View Post
    There's quite a bit that indicates no familiarity with Obi-Wan. The defining qualities of Obi-Wan within the message that Leia uses are: 1) He's a general and 2) He served her father during the Clone Wars. Nothing else. There was no "you helped me during my kidnapping as a child" or "as a good friend I need you're help". She was referring to him as a venerated friend of her father, not of hers.



    So prior to viewing the Obi-Wan series, you believed Leia knew Obi-Wan previously based solely on their interactions in A New Hope?



    You filled in those blanks with how you envisioned those events to happen. Of course, she is excited that Luke tells her he's with Ben AND her R2 unit. Her sole mission was to bring Obi-Wan and R2-D2 (with the Death Star plan within him) to Alderaan so that a weakness could be found. She is excited that she can still complete her mission albeit taking both Obi-Wan and R2 to the Rebel base on Yavin instead of Alderaan (since it has been destroyed). Her excitement had nothing to do with an imaginary previous relationship. That's an assumption on your part based retroactively on this Obi-Wan series.



    I don't know about EU lore since I never partook in any of that material but the idea she never knew Obi-Wan is based very heavily on the Original Trilogy.



    But that is correct. He doesn't know Luke. He doesn't know Luke is his son because he was hidden from him shortly after he was born (along with Leia). It's only after he begins Force training and the destruction of the Death Star (when Vader learns his name), that Vader realizes he is the "son of Skywalker". It doesn't break OT canon at all so I'm not sure what you're point in that comparison was?



    The scripts were still being written during the 70's and from what I've read online, the earliest concept of Vader possibly being Luke's father was during 1975-76, 1-2 years before A new Hope was released and 4-5 years before Empire Strikes Back. How can something break canon even before the film is released? Personally, I am just going off of the films (A New Hope, Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi) for the basis of my arguments (what happen strictly within the films. Case in point, when the Millenium Falcon is escaping the Death Star in A New Hope, Luke Skywalker is rather despondent about his demise. Leia doesn't seem to be moved at all even though she supposedly had this previous relationship with Obi-Wan. She offered no words of sympathy or shared any story like "he was a dear friend to me as well" or "he was a great man who rescued me as a child". But no, there was nothing but silence.
    I’ve read just about every early treatment and script for Star Wars and Empire. The first inkling that Vader is Luke’s father comes fairly late in the development of Empire and even then they went back and forth on whether they wanted the story to go that way. The reason Ben tells Like his father was killed by Vader in the first movie was because THAT was the story. It wasn’t intended to be a lie or a different point of view. They changed the continuity to tell a better story. And that’s fine. It’s pretty standard practice and you’d be hard pressed to find a great writer that would let themselves be shackled by continuity at all costs.

    As for Leia I said she definitely knows of him which is directly evidenced by the fact that she sent him specifically the message, and that she responded excitedly when Luke said he was with Ben Kenobi. That doesn’t necessarily indicate that she knew him personally. But on the other hand absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. People asking for clunky and unnecessary dialogue about how he saved her as a child are demanding exposition dumps that aren’t pertinent to the story. We all know that her knowing him personally or not wasn’t really a concern during the writing of the original film (hell in early scripts Leia is a gear head cousin of Luke’s) None of the saga was thoroughly planned out. But there’s nothing that specifically rules out her knowing him personally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Battle_Brak View Post
    Loved the show, especially the last two episodes. I feel very strongly that people that didn’t like it just hated that the story upended their head canon. But I think it was done right here. I loved the things that challenged my preconceptions. It also retrospectively made the prequels more digestible.

    No they are just "Butt-Hurt" fanboys who have to complain about SOMETHING...

    Listen in MY Canon it's the following:

    Prequel Trilogy
    Original Trilogy
    Obi-Wan Series
    Mandalorin Season 1 & 2
    Book of Boba Fett
    Most Of The old "EU" stories
    Clone Wars Cartoon (New One)

    NOT My Canon:

    Sequel Trilogy (Garbage)
    Rogue One (Useless Movie that was already done in other media)
    Solo (Not horrible but NO)
    Andor (This is going to be a WASTE of show because he wasn't the popular and what's the point)
    Bad Batch (No another castoff with too many holes in the story)
    Rebels (Another "forced" story on most characters that could care less about)

    Basically any early Disney involvement sucks...

    If Disney allows Favreau/Filoni and fires that moron Kathleen Kennedy MAYBE they can allow Lucas to "Advise" like they paid him to do...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megalodon View Post
    No they are just "Butt-Hurt" fanboys who have to complain about SOMETHING...

    Listen in MY Canon it's the following:

    Prequel Trilogy
    Original Trilogy
    Obi-Wan Series
    Mandalorin Season 1 & 2
    Book of Boba Fett
    Most Of The old "EU" stories
    Clone Wars Cartoon (New One)

    NOT My Canon:

    Sequel Trilogy (Garbage)
    Rogue One (Useless Movie that was already done in other media)
    Solo (Not horrible but NO)
    Andor (This is going to be a WASTE of show because he wasn't the popular and what's the point)
    Bad Batch (No another castoff with too many holes in the story)
    Rebels (Another "forced" story on most characters that could care less about)

    Basically any early Disney involvement sucks...

    If Disney allows Favreau/Filoni and fires that moron Kathleen Kennedy MAYBE they can allow Lucas to "Advise" like they paid him to do...
    I actually love Rogue One and Rebels. Despite being a huge Dark Forces fan I don’t care that they removed Katarn from that story for two reasons. A. Stealing the Death Star plans was only the first level of the game and was anticlimactic and really not important to the overall theme of the game. B. It was already usurped in EU canon by another (much worse) video game that had a whole story built around stealing the Death Star plans. I can’t even remember the game but it was on PSP I think? And Kyle has at least been established in the new canon now. So I hope we get an adventure with him trying to bring down the Dark Trooper project. Or a full (in canon) remake of the classic games would make my head explode.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Battle_Brak View Post
    I actually love Rogue One and Rebels. Despite being a huge Dark Forces fan I don’t care that they removed Katarn from that story for two reasons. A. Stealing the Death Star plans was only the first level of the game and was anticlimactic and really not important to the overall theme of the game. B. It was already usurped in EU canon by another (much worse) video game that had a whole story built around stealing the Death Star plans. I can’t even remember the game but it was on PSP I think? And Kyle has at least been established in the new canon now. So I hope we get an adventure with him trying to bring down the Dark Trooper project. Or a full (in canon) remake of the classic games would make my head explode.
    Well Dark Forces DID make sense Rogue One really didn't and the Death Star shooting partial on the planet to destroy a city etc.? Weak and you introduce new characters to have them all get killed? Dumb #2

    And people don't want to admit (Or care to remember) in Attack Of The Clones it was stated by Taun We that the Clones were altered to make them less independent (Docile) than the host (Jango Fett) BUT in the last season of Clone Wars & Bad Batch it states that the biochip MADE them bad...

    It doesn't make sense if you clone a BAD person your going to get BAD copies it makes more sense that SOME clones chip malfunctioned and did something to their brain to make them not evil...THAT makes sense...

    It's just one of MANY things the KK screwed up and is she not the one that there was "NO Source material"?

    Obviously she forgot about the 40 years of books,comics,video games etc.

    She needs to go.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Battle_Brak View Post
    As for Leia I said she definitely knows of him which is directly evidenced by the fact that she sent him specifically the message, and that she responded excitedly when Luke said he was with Ben Kenobi. That doesn’t necessarily indicate that she knew him personally. But on the other hand absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. People asking for clunky and unnecessary dialogue about how he saved her as a child are demanding exposition dumps that aren’t pertinent to the story. We all know that her knowing him personally or not wasn’t really a concern during the writing of the original film (hell in early scripts Leia is a gear head cousin of Luke’s) None of the saga was thoroughly planned out. But there’s nothing that specifically rules out her knowing him personally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megalodon View Post
    Well Dark Forces DID make sense Rogue One really didn't and the Death Star shooting partial on the planet to destroy a city etc.? Weak and you introduce new characters to have them all get killed? Dumb #2

    And people don't want to admit (Or care to remember) in Attack Of The Clones it was stated by Taun We that the Clones were altered to make them less independent (Docile) than the host (Jango Fett) BUT in the last season of Clone Wars & Bad Batch it states that the biochip MADE them bad...

    It doesn't make sense if you clone a BAD person your going to get BAD copies it makes more sense that SOME clones chip malfunctioned and did something to their brain to make them not evil...THAT makes sense...

    It's just one of MANY things the KK screwed up and is she not the one that there was "NO Source material"?

    Obviously she forgot about the 40 years of books,comics,video games etc.

    She needs to go.....
    Rogue One and the Bad Batch stories were worked out before the sale to Disney. Rogue One was based on a story by Thomas Knoll and started preproduction under Lucas. The Bad Batch and various elements from Clone Wars you mentioned also began while Lucas was still at the helm. The final season of clone wars was canceled with the Disney buyout to get out of the contract with Cartoon Network but those stories were already planned and even animatics existed for several episodes.

    Kathleen Kennedy doesn’t have the sort of heavy handed influence fans think she does. She’s an easy target because she’s supposedly in charge, but she’s a pretty standard and decent producer. The real issues most fans have had seem to stem from mandates from Disney execs who aren’t even part of Lucasfilm. It recently leaked for example that the directors of episodes 8 and 9 had their hands tied because the message that “Rey be a nobody and anyone can be a Jedi” was mandated by Disney corporate. Which kind of throws a wrench into the whole “Skywalker saga” thing. Then you have to somehow make your protagonist a Skywalker in an indirect and cheesy way.
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    Welp, y'all talked me out of it. I have ZERO desire to watching Kenobi.

    ...and this was the last straw.

    Is he right? (NSFW)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jtSN4Q6MOg
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    Quote Originally Posted by Battle_Brak View Post
    Rogue One and the Bad Batch stories were worked out before the sale to Disney. Rogue One was based on a story by Thomas Knoll and started preproduction under Lucas. The Bad Batch and various elements from Clone Wars you mentioned also began while Lucas was still at the helm. The final season of clone wars was canceled with the Disney buyout to get out of the contract with Cartoon Network but those stories were already planned and even animatics existed for several episodes.

    Kathleen Kennedy doesn’t have the sort of heavy handed influence fans think she does. She’s an easy target because she’s supposedly in charge, but she’s a pretty standard and decent producer. The real issues most fans have had seem to stem from mandates from Disney execs who aren’t even part of Lucasfilm. It recently leaked for example that the directors of episodes 8 and 9 had their hands tied because the message that “Rey be a nobody and anyone can be a Jedi” was mandated by Disney corporate. Which kind of throws a wrench into the whole “Skywalker saga” thing. Then you have to somehow make your protagonist a Skywalker in an indirect and cheesy way.
    Alot of that later pre sale stuff I think Dave Filoni was more involved that George...

    And yes KK does deserve the blame because if it was JUST Disney telling here what to put out than why (Out of the blue) are we getting more OT/PT shows and or character's instead of that ST Mary Sue/Woke agenda in the ST that SHE was in charge of putting people in charge that SHE wanted?

    Sorry it doesn't change a thing funny thing is whenever a pro sports team,movie studio or IP is sold the FIRST thing the new ownership does is CHANGE it when it doesn't need to be and it blows up in their face... Why then is Warner Brothers/Discovery big shot (Don't remember his name) is wanting to reboot the DCEU JUST like The MCU (Same format) Gee I guess they see an idead that should have been done LONG time ago....One that works...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megalodon View Post
    And yes KK does deserve the blame because if it was JUST Disney telling here what to put out than why (Out of the blue) are we getting more OT/PT shows and or character's instead of that ST Mary Sue/Woke agenda in the ST that SHE was in charge of putting people in charge that SHE wanted?
    Umm she has the exact same role in the company that she had when the ST was being produced. Execs and the CEO of Disney have changed since then however. She was as involved in Mandalorian and Obi-wan as she was in the ST. She was responsible for hiring Filoni and Favreau. But your use of “woke agenda” seems to indicate you don’t have a legitimate point anyway and are just playing make believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Battle_Brak View Post
    Umm she has the exact same role in the company that she had when the ST was being produced. Execs and the CEO of Disney have changed since then however. She was as involved in Mandalorian and Obi-wan as she was in the ST. She was responsible for hiring Filoni and Favreau. But your use of “woke agenda” seems to indicate you don’t have a legitimate point anyway and are just playing make believe.
    No you saying KK is innocent and it's all Disney's fault they told her what to do..And I thought you had an open mind and not turn into a defender of a person who really has no clue about what she is doing...I could point out MORE bad then good (facts) but I see you want to just defend her and place no blame on her...But go right ahead because the majority of SW fan's disagree with you...but carry on

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    Quote Originally Posted by UsernameMDM View Post
    Welp, y'all talked me out of it. I have ZERO desire to watching Kenobi.

    ...and this was the last straw.

    Is he right? (NSFW)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jtSN4Q6MOg
    Why don't you actually WATCH it and make your own decision....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megalodon View Post
    Why don't you actually WATCH it and make your own decision....
    I'm not wasting my time on this show or giving it a view count. From what've I've read from this thread and other discussions, it's a hard pass for me and nothing lost.

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