Rulers of the Sun are over. What do you want now?

[Smitty.81]

The Sun Man sub-line might not necessarily be over after that 3-pack comes out. I recall that Mattel hinted that they could go beyond just the 10 characters shown on that vintage poster. For example, there were 3 extra villains in the vintage Sun Man mini comic - Chem Brain, Snizzler, and Cube Face. As awful as those design are, it's certainly possible that they could put out figures of them. There's also a new character created just last year called Lionheart, who was confirmed to be considered official.

Just saying that it might not be as done as you think it is...

I don't recall them hinting at that...

[zodak74]

Oh please god no

I dunno, I like the idea that these guys are just DONE after this three-pack, because it's one of the few times we've gotten a sense of completion with any of the factions in any of the post-2000 MOTU lines.

[Bear]

How about something related: If those 4 clubs from Classics were getting made, which one you would like to see next?


30th Anniversary Club


Club Filmation


Club Etheria


Club 200X

[zodak74]

Gonna go with Filmation! I need a Shokoti in Origins form!

[anytimepally]

200X. The other groups all have multiple figures I'm not that interested in.

[unclassified]

Classics...

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[Secret]

The Sun Man sub-line might not necessarily be over after that 3-pack comes out. I recall that Mattel hinted that they could go beyond just the 10 characters shown on that vintage poster. For example, there were 3 extra villains in the vintage Sun Man mini comic - Chem Brain, Snizzler, and Cube Face. As awful as those design are, it's certainly possible that they could put out figures of them. There's also a new character created just last year called Lionheart, who was confirmed to be considered official.

Just saying that it might not be as done as you think it is...

The only thing I could see them doing in Origins Sun Man-wise would be J-Hook Sun Man from the 90s that had an original haircut and used Pighead's arms and legs painted like Sun Man's.

The other RotS designs were not super-well thought out. Stuff like Cubeface, that was a blank body with a cube for a face. The amount of work it would take to redesign would be counterproductive since they could put the same effort into things Mattel owns and there's zero nostalgia for Olmec's mini-comics, which look like they were drawn by a kid. There's essentially nothing to start from as they're blank muscular bodies.

RotS could have a place in Masterverse, doubling down on the actual toy characters in a New Eternia style. Maybe Space Sumo as an oversized actual sumo wrestler. At least there's conceivably some nostalgia for those characters. Although, I think if they did any more RotS Masterverse, they'd probably stick to characters actually released in the 80s, which would mean something like 3 more figures, tops.

One area where Origins went a bit nuts was in making 5 or so never before made RotS figures. On the one hand, they got a lot of parts reuse there. On the other hand, they were paying a licensing fee for stuff only ever seen in a vintage cardback, that nobody actually had any attachment to from owning the old version.

[Smitty.81]

…there's zero nostalgia for Olmec's mini-comics, which look like they were drawn by a kid.

They were.

[danielsan52]

I have no idea when these originally came out, but they have a cool '60s aesthetic that I really dig. Something like these two, I'd love to see as a Mattel Creations or SDCC exclusive two-pack for MOTU/PoP, but don't necessarily want them out at retail- not with all the actual MOTU and PoP stuff they could do instead.

I'd love them as exclusives.

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[d0od]

Oh please god no

I dunno, I like the idea that these guys are just DONE after this three-pack, because it's one of the few times we've gotten a sense of completion with any of the factions in any of the post-2000 MOTU lines.

Agree with this. I dig the sun man characters but, like, having them wrapped up feels nice. the "villains" from the comic are laughably bad anyway.

[zodak74]

I'd love them as exclusives.

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Yeah, those are pretty cool... I say make it happen, Mattel!

Didn't they resurrect some of their other properties last SDCC for exclusives? I know they weren't MOTU-compatible, but it seems like the sort of thing they could surprise us with this year.

[Secret]

They were.

Are you sure about that?

I know the art was partly done by an Oklahoma State Senator who was over 40 at the time and, I believe, Yla's sister-in-law.

The cover was done by a famous children's book illustrator, Floyd Cooper.

Yla's son, Menelik Puryear, is a prominent photographer and consulted as a kid (as well as being the model for Sun Man).

I'm pretty sure the artist was just a friend of Yla's who volunteered to do it for free to stay on budget. I'd never heard it was a kid.

[NeilJam]

7.A new knock off line officially joined to MOTU: Galaxy Warriors/Fighters, Bravestar, Blackstar, Defenders of the Planets, Remco's Warrior Beasts...

This is really the only comparable option. RotS brought in new characters, all the other options are already subsets of MotU. I'd say Warrior Beasts of Lost World of the Warlord.

Could they possibly get licensing for Thundercats and Silverhawks MotU style figures? The latter might match better with NA figures first though.

[Smitty.81]

Are you sure about that?

I know the art was partly done by an Oklahoma State Senator who was over 40 at the time and, I believe, Yla's sister-in-law.

The cover was done by a famous children's book illustrator, Floyd Cooper.

Yla's son, Menelik Puryear, is a prominent photographer and consulted as a kid (as well as being the model for Sun Man).

I'm pretty sure the artist was just a friend of Yla's who volunteered to do it for free to stay on budget. I'd never heard it was a kid.

My understating was Yla's son drew the mini comics, and came up with more of the characters.

[Dinobot]

Here's a question: For all those asking for a Powers of Grayskull line, who would be in it? He-Ro, Eldor, and Sharella are obvious, along with the giants, but that's it for vintage. Classics added King Grayskull and Veena to that mix, so they'd be obvious to add (despite originating with 200X). How about the Classics characters from the mini-comics? I'd LOVE to finally get a Bandwidth!

[Smitty.81]

Here's a question: For all those asking for a Powers of Grayskull line, who would be in it? He-Ro, Eldor, and Sharella are obvious, along with the giants, but that's it for vintage. Classics added King Grayskull and Veena to that mix, so they'd be obvious to add (despite originating with 200X). How about the Classics characters from the mini-comics? I'd LOVE to finally get a Bandwidth!

Going by the one vintage mini comic and the booklet that cane with Super7's He-Ro the bad guys would have been the Snakemen, and there aren't enough of them left to fill out another year's worth of baddies.

[zodak74]

Here's a question: For all those asking for a Powers of Grayskull line, who would be in it? He-Ro, Eldor, and Sharella are obvious, along with the giants, but that's it for vintage. Classics added King Grayskull and Veena to that mix, so they'd be obvious to add (despite originating with 200X). How about the Classics characters from the mini-comics? I'd LOVE to finally get a Bandwidth!

Ehhh... I wasn't too keen on any of the stuff they came up with for the Classics mini-comics, so I guess what I would REALLY want to see is Mattel create some brand new characters with an uptick in new tooling. I didn't care much for the massive reuse of parts to come up with characters like Bandwidth, Red Shadow (was that it's name?), Great Black Wizard, etc. I get what they were doing at that time because of Classics' limited means, but we're past that now.

[Dinobot]

I mean...Origins isn't exactly blowing it up in the "new parts" department...

[Secret]

My understating was Yla's son drew the mini comics, and came up with more of the characters.

The comic credits James H. Fleet as the artist, which is the name of a famous abolitionist. Could be someone named after him or could be a pen name.

It'd be weird since Eason's son is credited as a consultant and her sister-in-law is credited as an art assistant.

Anyway, on the subject of other comparable things Mattel could do...

I personally think PoP is only viable if the characters are redesigned to fit MOTU more thematically. They look more like glam super-heroes. Setting aside any dated (but maybe somewhat true) narratives of female toys not selling in traditional boys' lines, MOTU has an aesthetic to it and collectors may feel like something different isn't what they signed on for. I feel like toy Catra, She-Ra, and the main Horde characters fit reasonably well but the Great Rebellion characters are clearly fashion doll designs. I'm not saying not to do it but I do think maybe a bit of reinterpretation would sell it, with more furry trunks and armor and violent weapons. There was a reason the 80s MOTU line didn't have Frosta or Mermista.

And, in general? I think ANYTHING that takes RotS' place except for Fuerza-T is going to need a redesign of sorts beyond just a direct translation into 5.5".

I think this needs to be approached in almost a New Eternia style. How would Mark Taylor or Steve Varner approach added characters?

I so think maybe there's room for the New Adventures versions of Teela, Sorceress, Man-at-Arms, Marlena, Randor, Adam, and Skeletor's henchmen. But they were meant to be from Eternia and have a bit more of the classic design language.

[depp76]

I personally think PoP is only viable if the characters are redesigned to fit MOTU more thematically. They look more like glam super-heroes. Setting aside any dated (but maybe somewhat true) narratives of female toys not selling in traditional boys' lines, MOTU has an aesthetic to it and collectors may feel like something different isn't what they signed on for. I feel like toy Catra, She-Ra, and the main Horde characters fit reasonably well but the Great Rebellion characters are clearly fashion doll designs. I'm not saying not to do it but I do think maybe a bit of reinterpretation would sell it, with more furry trunks and armor and violent weapons. There was a reason the 80s MOTU line didn't have Frosta or Mermista.

Personally I would not want barbarian themed POP figures. I would want them to be true to their vintage counterparts just like all the other figures. I mean that is the point of Origins.

[Smitty.81]

I would not want barbarian themed POP figures. I would want them to be true to their vintage counterparts just like all the other figures. I mean that is the point of Origins.

I would want just what they did with Origins She-Ra. Bow can get beefed up though.

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[Bear]

The Sun Man sub-line might not necessarily be over after that 3-pack comes out. I recall that Mattel hinted that they could go beyond just the 10 characters shown on that vintage poster. For example, there were 3 extra villains in the vintage Sun Man mini comic - Chem Brain, Snizzler, and Cube Face. As awful as those design are, it's certainly possible that they could put out figures of them. There's also a new character created just last year called Lionheart, who was confirmed to be considered official.

Just saying that it might not be as done as you think it is...

I guess if you want to continue there are still 3 Butterfly Woman figures to do. (cue desperate cries of all She-Ra fans) but I'm more than fine to end it now with the 3-pack. But more ROTS toys in Masterverse would be fine, redesigns so far were great.

200X. The other groups all have multiple figures I'm not that interested in.

That's funny because I would consider 200X to be the biggest collection of nobodies, aside from Evilseed. I would go for 30th Anniversary club, it's a nice collection of some really good catches...mostly.

Here's a question: For all those asking for a Powers of Grayskull line, who would be in it? He-Ro, Eldor, and Sharella are obvious, along with the giants, but that's it for vintage. Classics added King Grayskull and Veena to that mix, so they'd be obvious to add (despite originating with 200X). How about the Classics characters from the mini-comics? I'd LOVE to finally get a Bandwidth!

Going by the one vintage mini comic and the booklet that cane with Super7's He-Ro the bad guys would have been the Snakemen, and there aren't enough of them left to fill out another year's worth of baddies.

My answer: that's it. Just do Sharella and other vintage. I don't need POG to be a long line just as I don't need Lost Wave '88 to go beyond 6 figures. Just wrapping this up will please all that wanted POG and leave more room for people that want NA or POP. You don't have to dwell.

As for ideas for next characters. We have 2 obvious sources. One it He-Ro's team from minicomic.



Yeah obviously some of these like Eldor and Moss Man are want and must but I don't really need Veena, Gladiator or Beast Lord.

So that leaves Snake Men and honestly, Smitty, we've got more than you might think.



There, 7 more figures and probably more can be dug out (like Toxoid), heck maybe we could dig out Unnamed One. And honestly some of those are very tempting.

But I feel like we're all snaked-out at the moment and aren't ready for another snake season.

[zodak74]

I mean...Origins isn't exactly blowing it up in the "new parts" department...

Yeah, but it should be going into the future... similar to how the vintage line started giving us Rio Blast, Rotar, Blast Attak, Multi-Bot, etc. towards the end.

[Lich Leech]

How about the remaining early minicomic stuff plus concept stuff?

Blonde Teela & Charger two-pack

Oo-Larr

Red Beast Man (firs appearance of Beast Man)

Cross sell or minicomic colors Ram Man

Guerrero He-Man

"Paladin" Man-At-Arms

[Bear]

Yeah, but it should be going into the future... similar to how the vintage line started giving us Rio Blast, Rotar, Blast Attak, Multi-Bot, etc. towards the end.

Considering that line closed when they started going in that direction I imagine Mattel would be a bit wary...

How about the remaining early minicomic stuff plus concept stuff?

Blonde Teela & Charger two-pack

Oo-Larr

Red Beast Man (firs appearance of Beast Man)

Cross sell or minicomic colors Ram Man

Guerrero He-Man

"Paladin" Man-At-Arms

Don't really care. I'm don't really consider redesigns to be huge attractions. They can be fun but they're never the main event.