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    Evil Horde is being widely surpassed by Snake Men(Ideas to increase Origins EH ranks)

    Evil Horde:

    We have:
    Hordak
    Buzz Saw Hordak
    Mantenna
    Mosquitor
    Leech
    Horde Troopers
    Grizzlor (MC)
    And the exclusive 4 pack for Power Con (Repaints of the previous characters)
    TOTAL: 7 figures.
    Modulok, Multibot, Mantisaur, Dragstor, Monstroid and Fright Zone/Slime Pit are waiting.

    On the other hand Snake Men already have:
    King Hiss
    Cobra Khan
    Camo Khan
    Rattlor
    Tung Lashor
    Squeezzee
    Snake Face
    Snake Teela
    Snake Palace Guard Infiltrator
    Snake Troopers
    Slithor (Blue cobra of Snake Men 4 pack)
    Snake Grunts (Two soldiers of Snake Men 4 pack)
    Terrorar (Leaked)
    Lord Gr'Asp (Leaked)

    14 Members and:

    *Hinted in Snake Face Minicomic: Fang-Or.
    *Seen on box art (Camo Khan, Kol-Darr, etc):
    Lady Slither
    Reptilax
    Toxoid


    Snake Men are supercool but IMV Hordak's faction has been always the main threat to Eternia, so dangerous that he is feared for both Heroic and Evil Warriors.

    I think Origins should focus in the Horde on 2024 as they have focused on the Snakes on 2023.

    I propose some characters that should be make to make the Evil Horde a powerful faction capable of matching the now very numerous Snake Men:


    MODULOK & MULTI-BOT

    DRAGSTOR

    MANTISAUR
    HURRICANE HORDAK
    VINTAGE TOY CATRA & CLAWDEEN

    ENTRAPTA

    STORM

    MONSTROID

    SLIME PIT+FRIGHT ZONE





    And then add new members never made on vintage years:

    CALLIX



    CY-CHOP



    DYLAMUG



    HORDE WRAITHS



    HORDE ZOMBIE HE-MAN



    OCTAVIA and OCTOPUS



    SCORPIA



    SHADOW WEAVER



    VULTAK



    WRAP TRAP


    UNRELEASED CONCEPT ART


    Horde Brain, Glob, Gorestusk and Horde Doctor


    EVIL ROBOT HORDE



    SPIDRA

    A prototype never made for PoP series whose appearance is unknown.


    FELINA

    One of the Rulers of the Sun's PoP knock off that could be remade as Evil Horde member along Scorpia, Octavia and Weaver.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kentNelson View Post
    Evil Horde:

    We have:
    Hordak
    Buzz Saw Hordak
    Mantenna
    Mosquitor
    Leech
    Horde Troopers
    Grizzlor (MC)
    And the exclusive 4 pack for Power Con (Repaints of the previous characters)
    TOTAL: 7 figures.
    Modulok, Multibot, Mantisaur, Dragstor, Monstroid and Fright Zone/Slime Pit are waiting.

    On the other hand Snake Men already have:
    King Hiss
    Cobra Khan
    Camo Khan
    Rattlor
    Tung Lashor
    Squeezzee
    Snake Face
    Snake Teela
    Snake Palace Guard Infiltrator
    Snake Troopers
    Slithor (Blue cobra of Snake Men 4 pack)
    Snake Grunts (Two soldiers of Snake Men 4 pack)
    Terrorar (Leaked)
    Lord Gr'Asp (Leaked)

    14 Members
    You're counting Horde Trooper once and nameless snake mooks three times, even though the Horde Trooper has been released in three colors.
    Also I'm only going to have my Snake Troopers serve the Horde, since they have Horde symbol on their body.
    That said, I'd be thrilled to see Modulok, Multi-Bot, Dragstor, Catra, Entrapta, Shadow Weaver, etc.

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    Modulok was shown on the cardback art of Grizzlor

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    Quote Originally Posted by MCX-Eternia View Post
    You're counting Horde Trooper once and nameless snake mooks three times, even though the Horde Trooper has been released in three colors.
    Also I'm only going to have my Snake Troopers serve the Horde, since they have Horde symbol on their body.
    That said, I'd be thrilled to see Modulok, Multi-Bot, Dragstor, Catra, Entrapta, Shadow Weaver, etc.
    Technically, the Snake Troopers are part of an alliance between the Horde and the Snake Men based on the MOTU Classics bio...

    When a team of rank-and-file Snake Men soldiers accompanied the cunning Lord Gr’Asp to Horde World for negotiations with Horde Prime, little did they know that they’d become the very embodiment of a villainous alliance. As a mark of their treaty, Horde Prime insisted that Gr’Asp’s soldiers be augmented by Horde World’s science. Without their acquiescence, the soldiers were surgically enhanced with bionics and transformed into self-repairing cyborgs. Further, the hapless Snake Men were lobotomized and connected to the central computer brain of the Horde Troopers. Outfitted with armor bearing the Evil Horde crest, the mindless brigade accompanied Lord Gr’Asp to Eternia, which was reeling from a recent invasion by the forces of Hordak. Despite ongoing hostilities between the Horde and the Snake Men, Gr’Asp met with King Hssss and tried to convince him to join forces with Hordak for an assured Eternian victory. Initially mistrustful of the cyborg soldiers, which he referred to as Gr’Asp’s “unblinking abominations,” Hssss nonetheless saw value in these powerful new minions and grew to agree with Gr’Asp that a temporary alliance with his old enemy could prove beneficial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MCX-Eternia View Post
    You're counting Horde Trooper once and nameless snake mooks three times, even though the Horde Trooper has been released in three colors.
    Also I'm only going to have my Snake Troopers serve the Horde, since they have Horde symbol on their body.
    That said, I'd be thrilled to see Modulok, Multi-Bot, Dragstor, Catra, Entrapta, Shadow Weaver, etc.
    Well:

    Horde Trooper is one army builder.

    Snake Trooper is a different army builder.
    Smake Grunts are another army buider (And they are a unique figure, despite being made by existing parts)
    Slithor is officially a unique character (Despite being made using parts of already existing Snake Men).
    Palace Guard Infiltrator can be another army builder, or being a single ccharacter, up to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grenadaspice View Post
    Technically, the Snake Troopers are part of an alliance between the Horde and the Snake Men based on the MOTU Classics bio...
    Yeah yeah, and if you believe that, MOTU Classics also forces you to accept that Adora is Hordak's stepdaughter and Catra is 5,000 years old.

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    Snake Teela
    Snake Palace Guard Infiltrator
    Snake Troopers
    Slithor (Blue cobra of Snake Men 4 pack)
    Snake Grunts (Two soldiers of Snake Men 4 pack)
    Terrorar (Leaked)
    Lord Gr'Asp (Leaked)

    Oh no! Look at all those toys that don't use a single new part! That justifies funding Callix, Dylamug or Scorpia.

    Dude, you would get 4 different Slime Pit zombies repaints and Horde Troopers in different colors. You literally didn't counted repaints of old characters but swap Khan and Rattlor's heads around and that's 2 more characters, I guess. Would you accept new Hordesman that is Grizzlor with Hordak's head? We can't exactly help that all these Snake Men are so much cheaper than all those unique Horde characters. I too would have preferred He-Ro, Lord Dactys, Fearless Photog or Scorpia over Minicomic Roboto or 200X Evil-Lyn but here we are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bear View Post
    Snake Teela
    Snake Palace Guard Infiltrator
    Snake Troopers
    Slithor (Blue cobra of Snake Men 4 pack)
    Snake Grunts (Two soldiers of Snake Men 4 pack)
    Terrorar (Leaked)
    Lord Gr'Asp (Leaked)

    Oh no! Look at all those toys that don't use a single new part! That justifies funding Callix, Dylamug or Scorpia.

    Dude, you would get 4 different Slime Pit zombies repaints and Horde Troopers in different colors. You literally didn't counted repaints of old characters but swap Khan and Rattlor's heads around and that's 2 more characters, I guess. Would you accept new Hordesman that is Grizzlor with Hordak's head? We can't exactly help that all these Snake Men are so much cheaper than all those unique Horde characters. I too would have preferred He-Ro, Lord Dactys, Fearless Photog or Scorpia over Minicomic Roboto or 200X Evil-Lyn but here we are.
    Grunts and Slithor, Ok, I can see your point and you are right theat they are lazy repaints (As you said, as if Mattel released a Hordak with Grizzlor heae and rename him)
    But GrAsp, Snake Troopers and Terroar have history , they are not like Slithor. They are different characters planned for the vintage collection as different characters were Stinkor and MerMan or Beast Man and Moss Man or Zoar and Screech.

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    You also have
    Col blast
    Count sneer
    Hoard-or
    Horde lord
    Horde prime
    Ferros
    Repta
    Rachney
    Admiral scruvey
    Duke dreer
    Red eye
    Dark riders
    Hunga
    Mortella
    False face
    Slime pig
    Might bite
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    Quote Originally Posted by facet View Post
    You also have
    Col blast
    Count sneer
    Hoard-or
    Horde lord
    Horde prime
    Ferros
    Repta
    Rachney
    Admiral scruvey
    Duke dreer
    Red eye
    Dark riders
    Hunga
    Mortella
    False face
    Slime pig
    WoW! Who are those characters? I guess some come from.Filmation (I knwo Hunga -who would be suoer cool- and Scruvey-)

    My lost was focused in characters who had a figure in other lines or were planned to have a figure on vintage years, but the more the better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kentNelson View Post
    WoW! Who are those characters? I guess some come from.Filmation (I knwo Hunga -who would be suoer cool- and Scruvey-)

    My lost was focused in characters who had a figure in other lines or were planned to have a figure on vintage years, but the more the better.
    Itís a mixture of classics bios and filmation check the index in some of their entries

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    Good! I always preferred the Snakemen over The Horde!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orko's Magic Hat View Post
    Good! I always preferred the Snakemen over The Horde!
    Personally I don’t associate Hunga or Mortella with the Horde just like I don’t associate Shokoti or Kothos etc as Evil Warriors.

    There also Entrapta, Despara, Gore Tuske the Horde mammoth man the other Horde Brain character that looks like The Leader as well as Inspector Darkney, Styrax, Prince Zed, Uniqor, Fright Zone Man, and the giant Steel Kill
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    Quote Originally Posted by kentNelson View Post
    Grunts and Slithor, Ok, I can see your point and you are right theat they are lazy repaints (As you said, as if Mattel released a Hordak with Grizzlor heae and rename him)
    But GrAsp, Snake Troopers and Terroar have history , they are not like Slithor. They are different characters planned for the vintage collection as different characters were Stinkor and MerMan or Beast Man and Moss Man or Zoar and Screech.
    Yes and they're cheap to make. Basically are members of Horde are almost completely unique tooling. It's their strength and weakness.

    Snake Men have about 6 members. Take Terroar and others and you have 9. That's about equal to all toy Hordesmen. And let's not pretend that we aren't getting Dragstor, Multi-Bot and Modulok sooner or later.

    So once we remove 9 main members Snake Men have Camo Khan, Snake Teela, Infiltrator, Slithor and Grunts.

    Now Horde is likely to get 2 Hordak variants, and a few playsets and vehicles. Now tackle on top of that Catra, Scorpia, Dylamug, Callix...Would you really say that would put 2 factions on equal ground?

    I think it wouldn't be equivalency but rather putting things in favor of Horde. Infiltrator is such a lame toy that Slime Pit Buz-Off would be more exciting. Meanwhile Snake fans wouldn't get Fangor, Reptilax, Lady Slither...

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    BTW, making a figure called "Lady Slither" now would be a bad idea now that a "General Slithor" is coming out.
    If Mattel makes Scott's green Teela, it would be better to rename her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MCX-Eternia View Post
    BTW, making a figure called "Lady Slither" now would be a bad idea now that a "General Slithor" is coming out.
    If Mattel makes Scott's green Teela, it would be better to rename her.
    I could live with them renaming her "Queen Hiss", not very original perhaps. It would be cool if they are a waring royal snake couple with their own followers and armies, who occasionally come together to fight against He-Man or Skeletor etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bear View Post
    Yes and they're cheap to make. Basically are members of Horde are almost completely unique tooling. It's their strength and weakness.

    Snake Men have about 6 members. Take Terroar and others and you have 9. That's about equal to all toy Hordesmen. And let's not pretend that we aren't getting Dragstor, Multi-Bot and Modulok sooner or later.

    So once we remove 9 main members Snake Men have Camo Khan, Snake Teela, Infiltrator, Slithor and Grunts.

    Now Horde is likely to get 2 Hordak variants, and a few playsets and vehicles. Now tackle on top of that Catra, Scorpia, Dylamug, Callix...Would you really say that would put 2 factions on equal ground?

    I think it wouldn't be equivalency but rather putting things in favor of Horde. Infiltrator is such a lame toy that Slime Pit Buz-Off would be more exciting. Meanwhile Snake fans wouldn't get Fangor, Reptilax, Lady Slither...

    Well, maybe we should think if the Horde should be powerful and numerous than the Snake Men or both should be more or less equal.

    Quote Originally Posted by MCX-Eternia View Post
    BTW, making a figure called "Lady Slither" now would be a bad idea now that a "General Slithor" is coming out.
    If Mattel makes Scott's green Teela, it would be better to rename her.

    Regardeless of the name Lady Slither/Queen Hiss is veru popular and I think she would be a great figure. And the Snake Men needs at least a woman on their ranks.

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    I would buy all those Horde figures...except Cy-Chop. That guy is terrible and never fit in with MOTU in my opinion.
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    ADORA!!

    CATRA!!

    OCTAVIA!!

    SCORPIA!!

    VULTAK!!

    DYLAMUG!!

    SCURVY!!

    Apparently we have to spell it out for Mattel

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    Quote Originally Posted by SunDevil View Post
    I would buy all those Horde figures...except Cy-Chop. That guy is terrible and never fit in with MOTU in my opinion.
    Cy-Chop is so vintage! He along with Draego-Man were my absolute favourites of the new characters. I think Cy-Chop suits the Evil Warriors more than Horde tbh
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    Quote Originally Posted by SunDevil View Post
    I would buy all those Horde figures...except Cy-Chop. That guy is terrible and never fit in with MOTU in my opinion.
    I think his Classics version is hindered by the articulation at the time.

    I can see an Origins version being much more posable (plus all the potential parts-swapping) and therefore much for fun to own and mess around with than his Classics counterpart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MCX-Eternia View Post
    BTW, making a figure called "Lady Slither" now would be a bad idea now that a "General Slithor" is coming out.
    Why? They're two different names.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SunDevil View Post
    I would buy all those Horde figures...except Cy-Chop. That guy is terrible and never fit in with MOTU in my opinion.
    I think he would have been better with smaller scissors, maybe the size of Clawful's big claw. The huge scissors were just too ungainly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lich Leech View Post
    I think he would have been better with smaller scissors, maybe the size of Clawful's big claw. The huge scissors were just too ungainly.
    Also it was useless that they gave him that Trap-Jaw inspired belt, but nothing that could attach to it. Like they went through the effort of making a whole new belt with the Horde insignia, but left the loops there that served zero purpose. I'd love to see him have smaller attachments that hook on his belt if he made his way into Origins (hello Deluxe Cy-Chop!).
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    Quote Originally Posted by zodak74 View Post
    Why? They're two different names.
    So you'd approve of Mattel adding a character named Skeleter to Origins? It's a different name than Skeletor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DisneyBoy View Post
    ADORA!!

    CATRA!!

    OCTAVIA!!

    SCORPIA!!

    VULTAK!!

    DYLAMUG!!

    SCURVY!!

    Apparently we have to spell it out for Mattel
    This is why I picked Masterverse, for Origins collector especially if you start now will have a bad time getting most of these.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MCX-Eternia View Post
    So you'd approve of Mattel adding a character named Skeleter to Origins? It's a different name than Skeletor.
    There's a different title (and gender) that goes with each name, so it's not really the same thing, is it?
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