Didn't see it. Looked awful from the polar opposite side of "awful" that the first two F4 movies were. Which was pretty awful. But as you noted, at least those were awful in a way that was consistent with the material being represented. I don't think you can possibly do "Fantastic 4" without it being cheesy and awful because that's the material. If you try and make it "serious and good" then it's not Fantastic 4.
Past that, Fant4stic had plenty of other problems aside from being a tone-deaf approach. From all that I've read and what little I've seen, the movie itself was not competently-made whatsoever. All movies exist and can be graded on both Subjective and Objective metrics. Subjectively, one can say they took a bad approach in the tone, casting certain actors, and so on. Objectively, it's staged poorly, looks cheap, has a ton of very obvious bad edits and just plain isn't made well. And I can say that with confidence having only seen the trailers and about three minutes of regular scene footage. I doubt it would have been any good even if they nailed the tone, there's too much else wrong with it.
People act like comic book movies are an All or Nothing game. That's not it. You can have things in different tones for different audiences; that is, after all, what actual comic books aspire to do. The problem becomes that once it gets to a point of adaptation, people start insisting it needs to be One Way, and that One Way must be Peak Absurdity, Always. Or else it's "wrong", or "missing the point", somehow.
It's not that things like Super-Friends and Kingdom Come can't coexist. They do coexist. I will say, however, that after knowing for a fact that super-hero fiction CAN rise to the standards of the latter, it vexes me that so many people would prefer everything instead conform to the standards of the former.
Furthermore, I can say that if anyone sincerely prefers the former over the latter then we should definitely never speak or debate on any topic, because we just have nothing in common and it's gonna be a mutually bad time.
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I appreciate your insight in these double-standards. Like you, I think Miller was great as The Flash in Zack Snyder's Justice League and I also liked Miller's cameos in the CW's The Flash and HBO Max's The Peacemaker. I want to see this movie because I am intrigued to see how the current DCEU ends. Overall I enjoyed this universe but acknowledge it has proved to be divisive (some movies more than others) and am looking forward to Gunn's vision.
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) go see it, if you’re a casual watcher (like me) and don’t mind losing the element of surprise, wait for streaming. IMO it’s below Man of Steel and Justice League the Snyder cut but better than the suicide squad and the wonder woman movies.
