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    Quote Originally Posted by Dice View Post
    Now that you point it out, I'm noticing that is the main social media complaint. What you're saying certainly makes sense.
    I do what you're never, ever supposed to do: I Read The Comments Sections.

    Part of why I speak with such conviction on so many topics is, I've watched the chatter play out over a long period of time and I'm just doing Observe & Report. I have very little emotional skin in anything I talk about; none of it puts money in my pocket or takes it away. I just know how people feel because They Say So, and I know what's going on because I've learned to notice patterns and trends in advance. I'd actually prefer being wrong more often, it just doesn't tend to work out.

    All I care about with anything anymore is, Are There Action Figures, and Where Can I Buy Them? That is 100% of my emotional investment in most things. When you're not emotionally invested, you can much easier parse Forest from Trees.

    With Miller, tons of posts of people demonizing him include pics of him wearing tons of makeup, or dressing over-the-top flamboyant in one of his ridiculous outfits, and the person will be like "Yeah, this is DEFINITELY not someone you want around your kids!" It's stupid, they've been banging on about that kinda nonsense forever already. If dressing like an idiot and wearing too much makeup means you're "too dangerous to be around children", then nobody who lives in Florida should be allowed to have kids at all, period. Socks with sandals is NOT an acceptable life choice, and is FAR more offensive than a grown man wearing Ronald McDonald-levels of lipstick. That's not my opinion, that's just the way it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rikki Roxx View Post
    I do what you're never, ever supposed to do: I Read The Comments Sections.

    Part of why I speak with such conviction on so many topics is, I've watched the chatter play out over a long period of time and I'm just doing Observe & Report. I have very little emotional skin in anything I talk about; none of it puts money in my pocket or takes it away. I just know how people feel because They Say So, and I know what's going on because I've learned to notice patterns and trends in advance. I'd actually prefer being wrong more often, it just doesn't tend to work out.

    All I care about with anything anymore is, Are There Action Figures, and Where Can I Buy Them? That is 100% of my emotional investment in most things. When you're not emotionally invested, you can much easier parse Forest from Trees.

    With Miller, tons of posts of people demonizing him include pics of him wearing tons of makeup, or dressing over-the-top flamboyant in one of his ridiculous outfits, and the person will be like "Yeah, this is DEFINITELY not someone you want around your kids!" It's stupid, they've been banging on about that kinda nonsense forever already. If dressing like an idiot and wearing too much makeup means you're "too dangerous to be around children", then nobody who lives in Florida should be allowed to have kids at all, period. Socks with sandals is NOT an acceptable life choice, and is FAR more offensive than a grown man wearing Ronald McDonald-levels of lipstick. That's not my opinion, that's just the way it is.
    Socks with sandals is definitely wrong! I appreciate your insight in these double-standards. Like you, I think Miller was great as The Flash in Zack Snyder's Justice League and I also liked Miller's cameos in the CW's The Flash and HBO Max's The Peacemaker. I want to see this movie because I am intrigued to see how the current DCEU ends. Overall I enjoyed this universe but acknowledge it has proved to be divisive (some movies more than others) and am looking forward to Gunn's vision.

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    New trailer!! :



    Doesn't look like their holding anything back!

    ...I'm still intrigued that they went with the Ed McGuinness Superwoman look for Kara.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ornclown View Post
    ...I'm still intrigued that they went with the Ed McGuinness Superwoman look for Kara.
    Kinda surprised, kinda not. All the DCEU movies took some semi-obscure bits from the comics, so it doesn't altogether surprise me. Plus I'm sure they wanted a strong distinction from the TV show. I figured they'd go with something more recognizable, but there's a logic to it I guess. Other than a couple of action figures, they never really exploited that look.

    Definitely not my favorite look, but it's a way to go.

    So much "Gumby CGI" in the wide/action shots. Blurred-out CGI compositing, flat-looking backgrounds... Zod looks like he's pasted in from MoS but nobody upscaled him. Some of the stuff is nice and crisp, but some of it is VERY bad, considering what it cost.

    We'll see how much it matters. Some people think Whedon's JL looks better than Zack's. Because of the colors. But they overlook the bad editing, hair lengths that shift from shot to shot in the same scene, Aquaman's disappearing/reappearing tattoos, motion blur, Superman's face trying to slide off his damn head.... etc. etc. etc. Point is, some people don't care if the movie looks bad, as long as they're entertained. Some of this is BAD, but we'll see how many people care enough to cry about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megalodon View Post
    People are going to like this no matter what sad
    So just like Black Panther 2?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonehead View Post
    So just like Black Panther 2?
    Quoted for Truth!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ornclown View Post
    Quoted for Truth!
    I already know you find the good in EVERYTHING...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonehead View Post
    So just like Black Panther 2?
    Don't go there

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    Heard there's been a few more revisions to the final cut of the movie...and if true, boy is that one last kick in the teeth to the Snyderverse

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    I watched the whole flash season. it was very good. now exciting to see that movie is coming

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    Sooooo I just watched the flash. It was mediocre. Ezra Miller did a fairly good job at playing two versions of himself but Barry is just a bit too obnoxious and the other Barry is almost unlikeable. I very nearly noped out in the first ten minutes with the ridiculous opener. It kinda sets the tone that it was going to be very much on the comical side of things. It doesn’t drag and keeps a nice pace and I definitely wasn’t bored. And had three or four nostalgic ‘ooh’ moments.
    Spoilers next, so don’t read if you don’t wanna know stuff that really will spoil some of things that I was surprised by. (I know Rikki will read though )
     
    So much bad cgi it’s jarring at points.
    Keaton is great in a couple of scenes but is really underused and mostly flies around in the batplane. This is not the Burton batman he played before so don’t expect to see that or a Gotham that resembles that either.
    Kara as supergirl/woman was also way underused and tbh by the time the big fight came I was more interested in seeing her and batman than I was the Barrys.
    Some nice cameos of a badly cgi’d Christopher reeves, Helen slater, Adam west and Nicholas cage. Oh and George Clooney (not cgi’d).
    The villain (evil alternate reality Barry) is only in it for a matter of minutes.

    If you’re a die hard DC fan (like mikey ) go see it, if you’re a casual watcher (like me) and don’t mind losing the element of surprise, wait for streaming. IMO it’s below Man of Steel and Justice League the Snyder cut but better than the suicide squad and the wonder woman movies.
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    Apparently I've heard that there is an f-bomb in this movie. I love DC movies but I have never been fond of profanity in superhero movies. What exactly is said and who says it?
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    There is one F bomb right at the end of the movie and Barry says it as an exclamation of shock at seeing something unexpected. Itís a very well placed and completely justified in the moment. More of a funny one than an offensive one. When you see youíll get it

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    I watched the movie yesterday and it is the most Marvel movie from DC. It is very funny and it has all the right condiments; lot of humor, very well paced action, nostalgia and drama... Still, I felt there was someting missing.

    It has a lot of heart, it is on the screen, there are quite some dramatic scenes excellently well directed, but there's someting on the overall plot and resolution that didn't allow me to get fully connected on an emotional level. Even when Michael Keaton is there and a lot of my passion for Batman is because of 89's movie.

    Alhough it has been heavily promoted as a Batman movie, it is not. It is a Flash movie; and other cameos are just that, "glorified" cameos.

    Honestly, I don't exactly know what Ezra Miller has done in Hawaii besides acting violently against some people in a public spaces, for what it seems he has committed to paid his debt to society and get help, but I must remark that he delivers an excellent performance, from humor to drama quite easily and convincing.

    It is a fun superhero summer movie and worth watching at the theaters. However, you'll notice the difference in terms of VFX's quality between Marvel and DC, specially recently seeing GotG3 hallway scene.

    My only issue is the plot resolution, which is prety much the same issue with every single movie that submerges into time travel and multiverse themes. It is a Deux Ex Machina (not) resolution, and even worse in this case, with a joke leaving many loose ends that I truly doubt would be resolved in an almost impossible sequel
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    I was going to say that it felt Marvel-ish compared to the usual DC movies, but I know how some people feel about the comparison. I have a feeling these will be the standard sort of movies that DC will make now with James Gunn heading things up over there. Which is fine by me.
    Also with all the Marvel fatigue going around atm with a lot of people then this could be the perfect time for DC to swoop in with a more fun series of films.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan1980 View Post
    I was going to say that it felt Marvel-ish compared to the usual DC movies, but I know how some people feel about the comparison. I have a feeling these will be the standard sort of movies that DC will make now with James Gunn heading things up over there. Which is fine by me.
    Also with all the Marvel fatigue going around atm with a lot of people then this could be the perfect time for DC to swoop in with a more fun series of films.
    Good I'll just add this to Shazam 2 to watch on Max....

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan1980 View Post
    I was going to say that it felt Marvel-ish compared to the usual DC movies, but I know how some people feel about the comparison. I have a feeling these will be the standard sort of movies that DC will make now with James Gunn heading things up over there. Which is fine by me.
    Also with all the Marvel fatigue going around atm with a lot of people then this could be the perfect time for DC to swoop in with a more fun series of films.
    I think Gunn is going to be a good steward for the future of DCU and his absence from Disney will be felt. I actually liked the old DCEU in general, but am looking forward to what Gunn can do. Planning to see the Flash next week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by He-Metayer View Post
    I think Gunn is going to be a good steward for the future of DCU and his absence from Disney will be felt. I actually liked the old DCEU in general, but am looking forward to what Gunn can do. Planning to see the Flash next week.
    I agree.

    A lot of people forget that it was Gunn who shifted the entire MCU style when he released the biggest sleeper hit of the decade in GotG...

    Many of the MCU movies that followed tried to copy what Gunn did... to varying levels of success.


    He's definitely got some deep cuts coming our way with the selection of films launching the newest chapter of the DCEU. I'm all for it though!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhanen View Post
    it has all the right condiments; lot of humor
    Barf.

    I mean, it's not at all a shock, I'm just very much against the omnipresent idea that super-hero movies "should" all be comedies by default. I'm aware that's a minority opinion. Call it a quirk; after being picked on for my entire life for being such a huge fan of "stupid nonsense for babies", I'm not thrilled that the entire "renaissance of Nerd ****" in pop culture is entirely predicated on the idea that, "SEE? It IS all stupid nonsense for babies!" and we're all supposed to be fine with it. Like, in what way is that NOT an insult to both the material and the audience? I feel like some people are so jacked up on seeing things onscreen that they never got to see as kids (or remind them of what they liked as kids), they're far too accepting of it either being done poorly or outright insulting the intelligence of the viewer.

    I don't know. I waited my whole life for people to stop insisting this stuff was "dumb and silly", and I'm still waiting. Actually, I'm not, I've pretty much given up. I'll be seeing this one since my wife really wants to, but after that I'm done with comic book movies. I know I'm not a moron, I really don't appreciate movies insisting that I am and in turn treating me as such.

    That's why I'm not the least bit excited for Gunn's reign. Not a single thing he's ever directed has done anything but make me sigh. His stuff is just way, way too balls-out "goofy" for me, and I absolutely Do Not Want an entire DCU that's Guardians Redux. And that kind of movie is ALL he knows how to make. He's on record that he thinks super-heroes are "stupid" and that's why he "likes" them... if people want to think that's a good attitude, that's their hang-up. All it tells me is that an actual reverent, reasonably self-serious and tonally-appropriate series of DC films where there are Actual Stakes and the characters behave as Real Human Beings Would in response to the events around them, simply is never going to happen. I mean, we HAD a couple, but... You Know. So whatever, if I want cartoons I'll just watch cartoons. Movies should aim higher. There's no logical reason to spend over $200 million to make a "cinematic experience" that delivers nothing any more grand or ambitious than Saturday Morning Schlock. Just make a cartoon for a fraction of the cost, since most people will just be happy with anything. But it is what it is.

    I'll also once again point out that in a world based around merit, Gunn would either be unemployed or still shacking up with Disney/Marvel, as his sole DC movie was a horrible failure by any objective metric. Only at that complete joke of a company can a person lose almost $200 million and become The New Boss. It's quite clear that WB is still playing "Let The Marvel Guy Fix It!", same as 2017 with Whedon. That was a disaster, so why they truly think it's as simple as "Copy Marvel, Including Staff = $$$" when we have repeatedly seen that does NOT work is beyond me. Other than, WB is run by an ever-rotating cast of chimps riding unicycles. THAT, I can believe, but nothing else makes sense.

    It's like how Muschietti has already been handed the directing job for Brave and the Bold despite this Flash movie not even being out yet, and the last few DC movies being bombs, and the reviews for this one so far being mixed (and dropping). Even the BEST reviews of it all unanimously say some variant of, "It's good... if you go in expecting very little at all... and also, it looks awful. But it's FUN!" So how does this guy get tapped for the next Batman movie before we even see if this movie has any legs? Wouldn't logic dictate, y'know... wait and see, first, before you hand the guy what is arguably the biggest project on the slate? But again, it makes sense to WB because they're idiots. Is that what we can expect for the next Batman movie? "It's fine if you expect and accept bare-minimum effort"? Again, this just is not how it should be done. A tweet from Stephen King saying "I never watch these dumb things but this one was less dumb, kinda" shouldn't automatically put you in the penthouse suite. If this thing underperforms as badly as it's projected to, WB is (once again) going to look foolish for jumping the gun in handing him that project with such aplomb, just like they did with the "Patty Jenkins is already doing Wonder Woman 3" announcement which came at the exact moment the whole world was ripping that thing to pieces for being as awful as it was. I swear, whatever can be learned from any of the numerous DC failures at WB, WB can always be counted on to take the WRONG lesson. Every time.
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    Anyways, a few people who saw the movie already told me some, and I looked at Wikipedia for the rest. Yeah, anyone who's seen even one trailer can tell you the entire plot of the movie just by guessing - and that's not to say the trailers give too much away, it's that the plot really IS that simplistic. Even the "surprise" about the movie's "real villain" was something people randomly guessed at over a year ago and turned out to be completely correct, which was pretty funny. Likewise, the "HUGE, shocking cameo!" at the end, which again was spoiled about a year ago and WB has since been trying to keep Top Secret... everybody already knows, MANY have seen it already, and seemingly nobody thinks that it's "shocking", clever, or worth being treated like a huge "secret"; it's dumb, everyone is saying it's dumb, they're annoyed that the "big secret" is actually a wet fart, and are collectively pretty annoyed at it, which is the correct emotional response. As "surprises" go, it's a lot like ordering a pizza and being slapped in the face with a frozen carp; sure, you're surprised, but only because no sane person would Want or Expect that in the first place.

    And then there's That Post-Credits Scene, which many are saying might just be THE worst post-credits scene in any super-hero movie, ever. Not at all funny, goes on forever, answers zero audience questions about the current or future state of things, and serves no purpose other than to remind everyone that X-Men: Dark Pho-.... er, I mean "Aquaman 2" is coming out soon. Sorry, I get my "Lame Duck, Soon-To-Be-Retconned-And-Thus-Entirely Pointless-But-The-Studio CEO-Just-Bought-Another Yacht" movies mixed up, sometimes. But hey, "Dark Phoenix" did okay... right.....? This one and the Aquaman one... they'll do swell... surely!

    At this point, I know exactly what to expect and so I'm basically just going to see it primarily to keep a promise, and otherwise just to see HOW emotionally-manipulative and Member Berries-dependent it is. It really does seem like there's just nothing to see unless you simply couldn't die happy without seeing Keaton in the Batman outfit one last time. I feel like they could have skipped making the movie, had him pop in at Comic-Con for a live reading wearing the suit, and gotten the exact same audience reaction effect without spending the GDP of some small countries to get there.

    Like I'm not expecting to hate it and I already know there's a few things I might snicker at. But it's also every bit the complete mess I feared it to be and "It's like a really long Saturday Morning cartoon" isn't an endorsement, it's a warning. Since I'm done with comic book movies after this one I'd sincerely hoped to "retire" on a higher note than what this promises to deliver, but realistically that was not a good thing to hope for, knowing the situation.

    Can't go this weekend, so we have it penciled in for next Saturday. She's far more forgiving than I am, but has also reacted with plenty of "WTF? That sounds awful" for the few things she's allowed me to spoil for her. So we'll see.
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    Almost forgot, did anyone else see the director's recent "The CGI looks bad on purpose" insistence? No, no, clearly it's not that WB is notoriously cheap and stingy with special effects whenever Snyder and his team aren't on the project... no, the CGI is bad because "Stuff looks weird to Barry when he runs fast and that's why the CGI looks like that!" Never mind that even in scenes where you're not "seeing what he sees as he sees it", the effects STILL look bad. It's all by design! Honest! Christ, these people can't even LIE good.

    TWO YEARS of post-production! All that time and added expense, so that even the gushiest of gushing reviews still say "It does kinda look like **** tho" and the director has to inform everyone before seeing it "It looks bad on purpose, I swear!" Worked for Ang Lee, right? Hulk did huge business when he said the Exact Same Thing, everyone believed him and the movie was a big hit. Wink/nudge.

    Y'know they paid Cavill $250,000 almost two years ago for a cameo they ended up cutting from this thing anyways? GENIUSES. These people are SO GOOD at their jobs, you guys! They know EXACTLY what they're doing, at all times, and EVERYTHING from now on is gonna be GREAT! They got the Talking Raccoon Guy! WE CAN'T LOSE!!!
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    Not to defend the movie but...did you prefer when comic book movies were, you know, ashamed of being comic book movies? Like last Fantastic Four movie? When they did everything to steer away from cheesier elements so we could take them more seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bear View Post
    Not to defend the movie but...did you prefer when comic book movies were, you know, ashamed of being comic book movies? Like last Fantastic Four movie? When they did everything to steer away from cheesier elements so we could take them more seriously.
    Didn't see it. Looked awful from the polar opposite side of "awful" that the first two F4 movies were. Which was pretty awful. But as you noted, at least those were awful in a way that was consistent with the material being represented. I don't think you can possibly do "Fantastic 4" without it being cheesy and awful because that's the material. If you try and make it "serious and good" then it's not Fantastic 4.

    Past that, Fant4stic had plenty of other problems aside from being a tone-deaf approach. From all that I've read and what little I've seen, the movie itself was not competently-made whatsoever. All movies exist and can be graded on both Subjective and Objective metrics. Subjectively, one can say they took a bad approach in the tone, casting certain actors, and so on. Objectively, it's staged poorly, looks cheap, has a ton of very obvious bad edits and just plain isn't made well. And I can say that with confidence having only seen the trailers and about three minutes of regular scene footage. I doubt it would have been any good even if they nailed the tone, there's too much else wrong with it.

    People act like comic book movies are an All or Nothing game. That's not it. You can have things in different tones for different audiences; that is, after all, what actual comic books aspire to do. The problem becomes that once it gets to a point of adaptation, people start insisting it needs to be One Way, and that One Way must be Peak Absurdity, Always. Or else it's "wrong", or "missing the point", somehow.

    It's not that things like Super-Friends and Kingdom Come can't coexist. They do coexist. I will say, however, that after knowing for a fact that super-hero fiction CAN rise to the standards of the latter, it vexes me that so many people would prefer everything instead conform to the standards of the former.

    Furthermore, I can say that if anyone sincerely prefers the former over the latter then we should definitely never speak or debate on any topic, because we just have nothing in common and it's gonna be a mutually bad time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rikki Roxx View Post
    Didn't see it. Looked awful from the polar opposite side of "awful" that the first two F4 movies were. Which was pretty awful. But as you noted, at least those were awful in a way that was consistent with the material being represented. I don't think you can possibly do "Fantastic 4" without it being cheesy and awful because that's the material. If you try and make it "serious and good" then it's not Fantastic 4.

    Past that, Fant4stic had plenty of other problems aside from being a tone-deaf approach. From all that I've read and what little I've seen, the movie itself was not competently-made whatsoever. All movies exist and can be graded on both Subjective and Objective metrics. Subjectively, one can say they took a bad approach in the tone, casting certain actors, and so on. Objectively, it's staged poorly, looks cheap, has a ton of very obvious bad edits and just plain isn't made well. And I can say that with confidence having only seen the trailers and about three minutes of regular scene footage. I doubt it would have been any good even if they nailed the tone, there's too much else wrong with it.

    People act like comic book movies are an All or Nothing game. That's not it. You can have things in different tones for different audiences; that is, after all, what actual comic books aspire to do. The problem becomes that once it gets to a point of adaptation, people start insisting it needs to be One Way, and that One Way must be Peak Absurdity, Always. Or else it's "wrong", or "missing the point", somehow.

    It's not that things like Super-Friends and Kingdom Come can't coexist. They do coexist. I will say, however, that after knowing for a fact that super-hero fiction CAN rise to the standards of the latter, it vexes me that so many people would prefer everything instead conform to the standards of the former.

    Furthermore, I can say that if anyone sincerely prefers the former over the latter then we should definitely never speak or debate on any topic, because we just have nothing in common and it's gonna be a mutually bad time.
    You articulate this well, and so I'm curious (and I'm sorry if you've posted about this before and I missed it), which comic book movies have hit the mark for you in the past?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wakko View Post
    You articulate this well, and so I'm curious (and I'm sorry if you've posted about this before and I missed it), which comic book movies have hit the mark for you in the past?
    Good Question! Here is a comprehensive list of all the comic book or comic strip-related movies that I will undoubtedly continue to watch many more times. These are in no specific order, just as I remember them off the top of my head. Group 1 would be All-Time Favorites; basically, if they randomly come on TV I would drop everything to watch them regardless of what else was on.

    Man of Steel
    BvS: Dawn of Justice Ultimate Edition
    Zack Snyder's Justice League
    Watchmen
    Batman Begins
    The Dark Knight
    Batman (1989)
    Superman: The Movie
    Superman Returns
    D!ck Tracy
    Flash Gordon
    Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (1990)


    Second tier isn't far below the first insofar as simple enjoyment, but I wouldn't choose to watch any of them if given the choice between that or any movie in Group 1.

    Batman Returns
    Batman: The Movie (1966)
    Batman: Mask of the Phantasm
    Superman II: The Richard Donner Cut
    Wonder Woman
    Aquaman
    Captain America: The First Avenger
    Iron Man
    Sin City
    Spider-Man
    Spider-Man 2
    The Amazing Spider-Man
    Hulk
    The Incredible Hulk
    The Punisher
    Punisher: War Zone
    Thor
    Green Lantern
    The Avengers
    Suicide Squad
    Hellboy (2004)
    Hellboy (2019)
    Scott Pilgrim vs. The World


    Tier 3 is movies I liked but have a lot of issues with and would have to be in the mood to watch. Basically, "I liked them and I'll watch them again, but there's no real urgency to."

    The Dark Knight Rises
    Shazam!
    Black Adam
    Daredevil: The Director's Cut


    I'm sure I'm forgetting a few; that's just off the top of my head and the dog is pestering me to take her for a walk so I can't really think on it any more at this minute. But that's a pretty good cross-section, I feel, and I hope it sufficiently answers your question. It should be noted that I haven't seen any MCU movie since the second Avengers, as while it was "fine" it gave me a pretty clear idea where the franchise as a whole was going and I simply decided I'd seen enough. Thus 99% of most people's favorites simply aren't going to be on my radar, as I was never a Marvel Guy to start with and my tastes generally skew away from action/comedy with regards to these things. But that should address anyone's "But what about ____?!", if it's a Marvel joint and it's not there then I haven't seen it, aside from random YouTube clips or something I saw while channel-surfing.

    By all means, any follow-up questions are welcome and expected; I'm aware my tastes are rather all over the place and so certain things being so close to each other probably makes no sense to anyone who isn't Me. I'll gladly talk about it all day, all I ask is that it remain respectful.
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    I actually liked Black Adam and Shazam 2 just fine, but both were overlong with CGI-heavy third acts that felt like too much and also too little (too much time/stuff, too little substance to make it worthwhile).

    I just saw Flash and I liked it more than those last two DC movies mainly because it sustained my interest through an admittedly still overly CG-heavy third act. I was invested enough (and I guess unsure about the outcome enough) that I was entertained by the action even after a long run time, and that was refreshing. It did look like a game, but I felt actual dread about the outcome. Despite everything, I liked Miller (but they still can’t run—I guess they’re trying to copy the pose of a Mercury statue?), I liked the new Supergirl, and I liked seeing Keaton’s Batman again even if it’s not really him (the REAL ’89 Batman belongs in the same universe as ’79 Superman, not Man of Steel with the Michael Shannon’s Zod--though Shannon had a good presence, he certainly was an improvement as a threat than the last several DC offerings had).

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    how Kara and Bruce had arcs with Barry inspiring them to fight…only for it not to matter and they both die and their world is a lost cause. Kara particularly felt wasted--at least Bruce got a dying in Barry's arms scene. In the end they only really mattered if Barry carries the pain of their deaths with him—which will only work if this Barry continues in movies, and that seems unlikely. I even liked the second Barry and hoped he could live on somehow, even if just his memories transferred to the first Barry, but I admit that that would’ve weakened Barry’s final goodbye with his mother if he could just remember other Barry’s life with her.


    I also liked the movie’s explanation for how the multiverse works. I've seen people still confused about it, and my cousin was as well, but he agreed with me it's just a mythology choice for what's basically magical nonsense. I think maybe the animated Flashpoint movie was more impressive with the war between Amazon and Atlantis (which could've worked great since they're established in the DCEU) but this one stayed focused on Barry and I think it was stronger for it because I would've checked out if I knew for sure it was a version of Diana and Arthur that needed to be erased anyway. Opinions will vary, but I think this was really good and I hope it will indeed be part of whatever Gunn does (somehow).
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    I mean, in truth nothing about time travel makes any sense, especially in movies, so depending on how it's handled I don't always get too nitpicky. I definitely don't like when it's completely handwaved, but since it's junk science by definition I feel like you can get away with a lot, depending. If people were actually able to travel through time there would immediately be a ton of paradoxes that would unmake the entire universe, so it's a good thing it's fake, and since it's fake you can have a bit of looseness to the "rules".

    I will say that I'm glad there is at least a superficial explanation given as to why Barry going 10 years into his own past would somehow affect things that happened long before - Kal-El never being born, Bruce Wayne being born many years earlier and looking like an entirely different guy, etc. Technically, time travel should not work that way and "realistically" would only cause changes into the future onward from the point of re-entry into the timeline, NOT the further past. BUT, the way this movie tries to explain it kind of works... but only if you accept it on its face, and that it only works that way in this specific circumstance.

    I mean, Back to the Future is hardly the Gold Standard for how Time Travel works - those movies are full of problems if you try and take the time travel "realistically" - but if the rules of the Flash movie applied to That Movie, then Marty could never have made it home since traveling back in time to 1955 would somehow have made Doc Brown be born in Mexico in the 1890s and now he looks like Vincent Price instead of Christopher Lloyd. You see what I mean?

    The "traveling back in time causes a ripple effect in both directions" explanation kinda/sorta works for this movie, and it's at least an attempt at explanation, so that's fine. To me, though, it's VERY close to the whole "Superboy Prime punched the walls of Time Itself and now a ton of stuff all over the place is different than it was", and everyone pretty unanimously said that was poor but it's essentially the exact same thing here, just a different triggering catalyst.

    Thankfully, DC lore as a whole has a catch-all explanation built into it, that Time and Space are always bendable thanks to all the times that omnipotent beings from outside of our reality have messed with it. Darkseid's fall during Final Crisis, for example, essentially fractured and tore a hole in every timeline in the entire Multiverse as his essence fell backwards in time in its death throes; all of Time was essentially "crushed as if held in a fist" from that, and the residual effects of it can easily explain a lot of various paradoxes, inconsistencies, and the like.

    But again, in the end it's all fake, so... whatever man.
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    Unrelated, but opening weekend is set to perform well below already-tepid expectations. People are debating whether the low turnout is due to Miller's various issues, or the fact that everyone knows this movie is a lame duck and "doesn't matter" in the face of the clean-slate reboot to come. I say it's the latter, many say the former.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rikki Roxx View Post
    I will say that I'm glad there is at least a superficial explanation given as to why Barry going 10 years into his own past would somehow affect things that happened long before - Kal-El never being born, Bruce Wayne being born many years earlier and looking like an entirely different guy, etc. Technically, time travel should not work that way and "realistically" would only cause changes into the future onward from the point of re-entry into the timeline, NOT the further past. BUT, the way this movie tries to explain it kind of works... but only if you accept it on its face, and that it only works that way in this specific circumstance.
    Kal-El was born though. Arthur wasn't (as far as we knew). But yeah, the idea was time isn't a line, you couldn't go back and change anything without also hopping between time streams with a different future and past from the one you already knew. Hence, things that had happened before Barry's mother's death were different as well as what came after. I don't know if it's junk science so much as just the modern equivalent of myth making. To me the junk is already in the origin. Barry gets hit by lightning, he should be dead just as Peter Parker should be dead after getting bit by the radiocative spider, Bruce Banner should've just died after getting hit by gamma rays, Bruce Wayne should just be in therapy, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rikki Roxx View Post
    Unrelated, but opening weekend is set to perform well below already-tepid expectations. People are debating whether the low turnout is due to Miller's various issues, or the fact that everyone knows this movie is a lame duck and "doesn't matter" in the face of the clean-slate reboot to come. I say it's the latter, many say the former.
    I agree the lame duck reasoning was what did in the last two DC movies as well. But also, honestly, these kinds of movies all look the same now, particularly in ads. By now there are too many other ways to see movies than in a theater. Why bother, particularly when shots from this movie on your TV screen look like a trailer for a game?! It's a shame, I'm glad this movie exists though, it's better than I expected and it mostly works as a stand alone (or as a cap off or curtain call for everything DC before Gunn's DCU starts up).

    Another problem is that this looks just like everything else, and so does Blue Beetle, so does The Marvels, so did Ant-Man. The super hero genre is fine but there's too little variety with everything being just more of the same--it's like Hal Needam car chase movies from the early 80s and changing up the ethnicity/gender of the lead alone is a superficial change that fixes too little. Personally I found Fast X and Rise of the Beasts just as tiresome as any superhero movie, it's not just the guys in capes. Also to me the new Barbie movie looks just like the Flintstones movie from the 90s, but that's long ago and by enough that it probably won't deter an audience who wasn't born yet.
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