Nothing new about Mattel makes or lets make Classics to finish properly the line ?

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Sure, it could happen, but it's highly unlikely. So maybe some MOTU fans need to try and enjoy what we have now and not dwell on the past.

Maybe you should take your own advice. Stick to the threads that are about the current product that you are more interested in, and let those of us who want to discuss Classics do so in a thread like this one.

[Lich Leech]

Sure, it could happen, but it's highly unlikely. So maybe some MOTU fans need to try and enjoy what we have now and not dwell on the past.

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I'm collecting Classics now. For many people Classics is a current, present reality that we remain interested in. In fact, I stopped buying Origins and Masterverse to focus on Classics. And of course, almost all MOTU lines are based on "dwelling on the past." Classics will remain a relevant topic for conversation, whether or not it's ever remade in the future. So will the 200x line, the vintage line, the 90s line, and so on.

[Smitty.81]

I'm collecting Classics now. For many people Classics is a current, present reality that we remain interested in. In fact, I stopped buying Origins and Masterverse to focus on Classics. And of course, almost all MOTU lines are based on "dwelling on the past." Classics will remain a relevant topic for conversation, whether or not it's ever remade in the future. So will the 200x line, the vintage line, the 90s line, and so on.

Not all of us have that kind of money.

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[Lich Leech]

Not all of us have that kind of money.

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I don't have that kind of money either. But, after buying like a good 20 Masterverse figures, it dawned on me that for the cost of 3 Masterverse figures (give or take) I could get a Classics figure, which I would enjoy much more. So that's why I did. So I collect them at a slow pace.

[Smitty.81]

I don't have that kind of money either. But, after buying like a good 20 Masterverse figures, it dawned on me that for the cost of 3 Masterverse figures (give or take) I could get a Classics figure, which I would enjoy much more. So that's why I did. So I collect them at a slow pace.

Cool. I just get Masterverse figures from time to time, and right now, I may not get any for quite a while. There are some collectors that have this need to buy everything. You may see comments like "I can't believe I have to buy this junk" from OCD completionist.

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[He-Metayer]

I'd argue that what was got is the happy medium you're asking for. By the time Classics wrapped up there was a lot of fan feedback about where MOTU should go. Fans were interested in updated articulation, seeing older A list characters re-released, and seeing the line in retail among other things. Mattel delivered on all of that. It might not be exactly what everyone was asking for, but they did check a lot of boxes.

The two lines do mix together. If someone missed out on Classics Shadow Weaver, the Masterverse version is a whole lot cheaper, fits in just as well, as I'd argue is a better version of the character. I'd say the same about Catra, Stratos, and a few others. I missed out on Classics Stinkor; I have the Masterverse version on my shelf and he fits in great. I'd hate for potential new MOTU fans to think that they have to save up and overspend on Classics toys based on this ideal that Masterverse is incompatible. If you try to put Revelation Skeletor on your Classics shelf, he will stand out like a sore thumb. New Eternia Skeletor will fit in well. He looks great next to Classics Evil-Lyn!


I will say this: I personally prefer most of my MOTU characters to be skinner, like they are in Masterverse. Blasphemy, I know...but hear me out. I think He-Man should look big and bulky, because he's the most powerful man in the universe. I think the 40th anniversary figure got it right. But I always found it strange growing up that all of the other men in MOTU looked just as big and strong as He-Man. I didn't like that my Classics Eldor and He-Ro are wizards, but look like they are going to tear through a bunch of phone books. I didn't like that Webstor and Buzz off are insects, but also body builders. 200X gave the characters different body types, and I liked that. I also like that the skinner Masterverse buck looks better on characters with armor. Classics gave us so many characters that ended up looking bloated due to armor being glued over an already massive chest.

I completely agree. I like the skinner MOTU Masterverse characters. Ok He-Man looking bulkier than others I do like and the 40th anniversary Masterverse He-Man does just that. But I don't think everyone else should look like that. I also do appreciate the different body types. And yes I think certain Masterverse figures look better than their Classics versions and I collected both lines. NA Skeletor is #1, but I also think New Eternia Ram-Man, New Eternia Buzz-Off, POP She-Ra, POP Catra, POP Hordak, and Vykron are better. POP Shadow Weaver looks pretty good IMHO too. So personally I think Masterverse has done a good job of supplying comparable characters whose Classics versions are pricier to get. Now I just hope we can get some characters who were never released in Classics, specifically some NA characters.

[Ornclown]

Sure, it could happen, but it's highly unlikely. So maybe some MOTU fans need to try and enjoy what we have now and not dwell on the past.

You do realize that you're posting on a forum dedicated to a property that began in 1981...?

[ChgoMarc]

I’m bummed. I come back after a few days and no arguments.

[Megalodon]

Is this still going???

It's like asking a 70 year old pro athlete to suit up and play again...

Move one people..

[maxx79]

Sure, it could happen, but it's highly unlikely. So maybe some MOTU fans need to try and enjoy what we have now and not dwell on the past.

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How can anyone enjoy what we have now (Origins and Masterverse) when those lines are crap compared to the Classics?

It is 100 times more interesting for me to "dig through the past" with Classics and only collect them than to look at these new lines and get annoyed at what it looks like...

[Smitty.81]

How can anyone enjoy what we have now (Origins and Masterverse) when those lines are crap compared to the Classics?

It is 100 times more interesting for me to "dig through the past" with Classics and only collect them than to look at these new lines and get annoyed at what it looks like...

LUL

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[maxx79]

Is there any human being on planet Earth who can say that, for example, the origins are better than the classics?

I mean, not to mention the quality of plastic, colors, details, etc., but in general, look at these figures side by side...

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This origins Skeletor looks like a bootleg parody (to say the least) compared to the classics Skeletor......I really don't understand how anyone can "enjoy" those ridiculous origins figures....

[Mark M]

Is there any human being on planet Earth who can say that, for example, the origins are better than the classics?

I mean, not to mention the quality of plastic, colors, details, etc., but in general, look at these figures side by side...

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This origins Skeletor looks like a bootleg parody (to say the least) compared to the classics Skeletor......I really don't understand how anyone can "enjoy" those ridiculous origins figures....

Origins are just medoernized versions of the vintage toys, nothing to do with Classics.
Masterverse has already made multiple figures that are far superior t their Classics versions and all Masterverse figures have better proportions and articulation.

[Man-Man]

Is there any human being on planet Earth who can say that, for example, the origins are better than the classics?

I mean, not to mention the quality of plastic, colors, details, etc., but in general, look at these figures side by side...

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This origins Skeletor looks like a bootleg parody (to say the least) compared to the classics Skeletor......I really don't understand how anyone can "enjoy" those ridiculous origins figures....

You might want to sit down for this one, but yes, there are people that exist that “enjoy” Origins, or vintage, or 200X more than Classics. Not to mention that Origins and Classics are going for completely different things stylistically. This kind of aggressive elitism over a toy is such a prevalent toxicity in the collecting community. Just let people like what they like. They don’t have to justify anything to you.

[Daavid]

You might want to sit down for this one, but yes, there are people that exist that “enjoy” Origins, or vintage, or 200X more than Classics. Not to mention that Origins and Classics are going for completely different things stylistically. This kind of aggressive elitism over a toy is such a prevalent toxicity in the collecting community. Just let people like what they like. They don’t have to justify anything to you.

Couldn't agree more.

I don't know why do many threads get turned into "the thing I like is better than the thing you like" arguments. If this was a kids forum I'd get it, but since this property is 40 years old I presume most of us here are over 40. You would never think it from some of the discourse. Sometimes it's like children. Crazy.

[Lich Leech]

Origins is a fun line, I like it. Usually I find that most of them are not quite as nice as their vintage counterparts, usually there is something slightly off. I feel like it's a good line if you don't have a vintage collection and want that nostalgic hit.

Masterverse has really only done one solid male figure in my opinion, and that's New Adventures Skeletor. The rest (of the male figures) have some good elements but also have major flaws. The female figures are usually very good.

[man-at-work]

Ideally, no thread in this forum should focus on position one MOTU line over the others with criticisms. Each of them have pros and cons. Also, each collector should be able to voice his/her love for the preferred line without censorship by other forum members that pretend to shut up expressions of that preference or a particular collecting habit... in an ideal world, of course

For me, I buy figures from the 3 lines mentioned here (but not a completist) and also I have a loved 200X collection, which I no longer try to complete, but it's appreciated.

ORIGINS: I buy this for my kid, it's not my stuff, but whenever I get one in hand I'm surprised with the quality and playability of those. My son enjoys also the easy mix and match characteristic, and that's its intended/primary market, IMO, and it's ok if some adult collectors enjoy that line too, because they're going deep with the characters selection, and that's something to take advantage of.

CLASSICS: this will always be my ultimate collection (not only MOTU), because of my personal taste and the investment I made on it. When it was running I had the financial means to afford such investment. After the line was cancelled I still was able to get around 20 more figures that I considered essentials and I got good deals. I would love the line to come back at some capacity, sure, even if I cannot get all of those figures due to the prices. But I know it's like collecting vintage jewelry. I don't feel the need to forget the past and move on, the market for vintage/antiquities is well established between collectors, not only toy collectors; and a hypothetic new run of Classics would be something like the Commemorative line for vintage MOTU, something special, something limited, something for Classics lovers, just that, would not be the end of the world for the toy industry, nor for Mattel, nor for Origins/Masterverse market. Maybe Classics could be considered the "new vintage".

MASTERVERSE: I'm currently collecting this line pretty much as I did with Classics. However, I see it as an extension of Classics, I don't have a problem blending them, and I don't buy again the same character if I'm happy with the Classics version. However, I admit I have appreciated some Masterverse figures better than their Classics counterparts (examples of that would be Sorceress, Vykron, Buzz-Off, Clawful, Spikor and Stinkor, and the list is probably not limited to these), so this is my main line now, but I still love "antiquities".

[Dynamo of Eternia]

While I do prefer Classics overall, I certainly won't begrudge anyone else their preferences. So if someone prefers Origins, Masterverse, or any other line, that is perfectly fine. I see no reason to tell anyone that they are wrong in having their preferences.


For me personally, I collected Origins early on and gradually stopped. I did recently make a long exception for Lady Slither, since it is a cool character that we don't have in any other form (in theory I'd like to customize her into something more in scale with Classics/Masterverse, but that is easier said than done), but that is definitely a one-off exception.

One of the things with Origins that has bugged me is the overly bright colors. It's one thing for them to not be identical to the vintage line or something like Classics, and to be somewhat brighter, but honestly I think they went too far, and with that image of the 3 versions of Skeletor being a good example, to me the colors make them look like preschool toys made by Fisher Price or something. That is the "vibe" that I get from them. This is just my opinion. It is fine if others disagree. But it is part of the reason why I stopped collecting the line. It kind of scratched that vintage itch at first, but a few aspects of it, with the colors being a huge one, caused me to lose interest.

I also haven't really been thrilled with any of the head sculpts for Skeletor in Origins. Probably the one that I like most is the more vintage inspired one that was included as the second head with Battle Armor Skeletor, and then became the head of the standard version of Skeletor after they updated it to that. But even that one isn't a "home run" for me, and also doesn't really look like his actual vintage head. I'm not saying that all of the sculpts are terrible, but, at least for me, all of them have left something to be desired.

[maxx79]

Origins are just medoernized versions of the vintage toys, nothing to do with Classics.
Masterverse has already made multiple figures that are far superior t their Classics versions and all Masterverse figures have better proportions and articulation.

For me, classics are a modernized version of vintage figures...origins I don't know where they belong, for me they are like caricatures of figures...

Masterverses are perhaps superior to classics in terms of articulation,but in everything else, they seem ridiculous compared to the classics........they are unusual to me, just like the 200x figures were unusual and funny compared to vintage figures

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You might want to sit down for this one, but yes, there are people that exist that “enjoy” Origins, or vintage, or 200X more than Classics. Not to mention that Origins and Classics are going for completely different things stylistically. This kind of aggressive elitism over a toy is such a prevalent toxicity in the collecting community. Just let people like what they like. They don’t have to justify anything to you.

I didn't ask if anyone ENJOYS the origins (or 200x,or vintage) figures, but if they are BETTER than the classics figures?

Of course, everyone enjoys the figures and line that they like the most and that they collect, I didn't dispute that.....It is also my opinion that the classics are the best MOTU line ever....

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Couldn't agree more.

I don't know why do many threads get turned into "the thing I like is better than the thing you like" arguments. If this was a kids forum I'd get it, but since this property is 40 years old I presume most of us here are over 40. You would never think it from some of the discourse. Sometimes it's like children. Crazy.

I responded to a post where someone claims that we who collect classics are "funny" because we "dig" in the past instead of enjoying what we have now (origins and masterverse).....means, origins and masterverse are the present and the future, and the classics are some kind of past that is better to forget, etc.

I personally cannot forget the classics because they are far better, more interesting and beautiful figures than the origins and masterverse

[nickdoobs]

This is such a weird thread. Classics was a great line, but its completely done for. Enjoy what we have. It went crazy deep into the character/vehicle/ playset lineup.

[maxx79]

Hypothetical question, if THIS becomes Mattel's main MOTU line tomorrow (for some reason)


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will everyone forget classics, origins, masterverse and collect only that because THAT is MOTU "future"??.........why many people collect what big companies serve them (no matter how stupid it is),is it part of some "zombie" apocalypse?

[Smitty.81]

Hypothetical question, if THIS becomes Mattel's main MOTU line tomorrow (for some reason)


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will everyone forget classics, origins, masterverse and collect only that because THAT is MOTU "future"??.........why many people collect what big companies serve them (no matter how stupid it is),is it part of some "zombie" apocalypse?

I wouldn't because I don't like the aesthetics of that sub-brand. I do like the aesthetics of Origins and, to a lesser extent, Masterverse.

I want to point out that you're taking what I said to a ridiculous extreme.

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[nickdoobs]

Hypothetical question, if THIS becomes Mattel's main MOTU line tomorrow (for some reason)






will everyone forget classics, origins, masterverse and collect only that because THAT is MOTU "future"??.........why many people collect what big companies serve them (no matter how stupid it is),is it part of some "zombie" apocalypse?

No Hypothetical question you present will ever make Mattel go back to making Classics.

[Ornclown]

I'm collecting Classics now. For many people Classics is a current, present reality that we remain interested in. In fact, I stopped buying Origins and Masterverse to focus on Classics. And of course, almost all MOTU lines are based on "dwelling on the past." Classics will remain a relevant topic for conversation, whether or not it's ever remade in the future. So will the 200x line, the vintage line, the 90s line, and so on.

I agree with this.

In fact, before the Commemorative line was released, I was into collecting carded vintage MOTU... an expensive endeavor to be sure, but one that brought me much joy.

No line of toys is ever irrelevant because something new has come out to take its place... I have friends who only collect vintage figures as if they were produced yesterday.

Admittedly, I have a complete collection of Secret Wars, an almost complete collection of Super Powers, and a large collection of ThunderCats and vintage TMNT - all on cards (some MOC.)

Sometimes, it's just the "thrill of the hunt" that is largely made possible by the advent of the internet.

Ideally, no thread in this forum should focus on position one MOTU line over the others with criticisms. Each of them have pros and cons. Also, each collector should be able to voice his/her love for the preferred line without censorship by other forum members that pretend to shut up expressions of that preference or a particular collecting habit... in an ideal world, of course

While I do prefer Classics overall, I certainly won't begrudge anyone else their preferences. So if someone prefers Origins, Masterverse, or any other line, that is perfectly fine. I see no reason to tell anyone that they are wrong in having their preferences.

Agreed on both of these accounts as well.

[maxx79]

I wouldn't because I don't like the aesthetics of that sub-brand. I do like the aesthetics of Origins and, to a lesser extent, Masterverse.

I want to point out that you're taking what I said to a ridiculous extreme.

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Exactly the same with me, except that I don't like (at all) the aesthetics of the origins and masterverse, and I really like the aesthetics of the classics

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No Hypothetical question you present will ever make Mattel go back to making Classics.

The point of the hypothetical question was not whether Mattel will make the classics again, but why many people only collect the line Mattel is CURRENTLY producing, no matter how stupid it is compared to the previous lines...

Because, according to that (stupid) logic, tomorrow when mattel stops producing origins and masterverse, and starts making some even stupider MOTU line, many will forget the classics, origins and masterverse and start collecting only that last line....convincing themselves that they should enjoy what they currently have and not "live in the past"